Worst 2009 AFL Captain

[Red Black and Blue]

Sorry, but incase your brain was shoved up your bum, I said 2008 was my first non-casual year of being a Football fan, AKA, watching several games from other teams. I was watching it quite a bit through 2004-2006 and you know what, Lloyd was diving there a bit too.

Though, I'll stop talking about it at this point. It upsets Don supporters too much and I will admit, he stopped doing it quite a bit throughout 2008. But apart from the diving, for the 3rd time, David Hille deserves captancy, Lloyd won't guide the Bombers to a Premiership as it has already been illustrated.

If you watched games before 2008 then you should be able to put thought into it, it was only after Lloyd's 2005 calf injury and then 2006 injury when he tore his hammy off the bone that 'diving' crept into his game.

Due to the injuries, he lost some pace off the mark, thus allowing defenders to spoil a lot easier. In response Lloyd changed his marking style by thrusting both legs backward as he would leap for the ball, gaining extra space on his opponent, but because of his body completely in the air, any slight contact would be greatly exaggerated. When Lloyd was unable to mark he would exaggerate the contact even further. This hurt his game more than it helped it, restricting his ability for second efforts. Half way through 2007 his convidence in his body returned and removed it from his game.
Yet people still harp on about it like he was doing it in his prime, because he is rigid, his lining up for goal is annoying, he occasionally says stupid things, and apparently unlikable. These characteristics are apparent, but they do not effect his ability to be a good leader.

He is professional, leads by example, his body is always in excellent shape, is a training machine, which teaches the kids great work ethic, he is very vocal and encouraging towards our young kids, he often puts his body on the line, he often kicks goals when we need them. According to you, these aren't whats important in a Captain...

BTW when David Hille was given the Captaincy in Lloyds absense in 06 his game took a backward step IMO partital to do with the pressure of the role, anyway he is doing a fine job leading without the title right now, would prefer to give to Mcveigh when Lloyd is done anyway.

 

[Free Willy]

I said 2008 was my first non-casual year of being a Football fan

Did you used to wear moccy's ?
Was 2008 a break out year into leather shoes with laces ?

 

[mattys123]

Has to be the Sydney pack, cmon, a club that cant name even one Captain has to have the worst Captain (s).

At least the pies had the balls to name the best on field motivational leader we have, Sydney are just a pack of cowards and sulk away and name as many as they see fit. Is the number still growing?

 

[GrandBlue]

If you watched games before 2008 then you should be able to put thought into it, it was only after Lloyd's 2005 calf injury and then 2006 injury when he tore his hammy off the bone that 'diving' crept into his game.

Due to the injuries, he lost some pace off the mark, thus allowing defenders to spoil a lot easier. In response Lloyd changed his marking style by thrusting both legs backward as he would leap for the ball, gaining extra space on his opponent, but because of his body completely in the air, any slight contact would be greatly exaggerated. When Lloyd was unable to mark he would exaggerate the contact even further. This hurt his game more than it helped it, restricting his ability for second efforts. Half way through 2007 his convidence in his body returned and removed it from his game.
Yet people still harp on about it like he was doing it in his prime, because he is rigid, his lining up for goal is annoying, he occasionally says stupid things, and apparently unlikable. These characteristics are apparent, but they do not effect his ability to be a good leader.

He is professional, leads by example, his body is always in excellent shape, is a training machine, which teaches the kids great work ethic, he is very vocal and encouraging towards our young kids, he often puts his body on the line, he often kicks goals when we need them. According to you, these aren't whats important in a Captain...

BTW when David Hille was given the Captaincy in Lloyds absense in 06 his game took a backward step IMO partital to do with the pressure of the role, anyway he is doing a fine job leading without the title right now, would prefer to give to Mcveigh when Lloyd is done anyway.

I wouldn't know that much about Lloyd, I'm not an Essendon supporter but I'm keeping my word and I'll stop talking about diving, it's irrelevant anyway.

After Hille's performance in 2008, I think he earned another chance to captain because he was easily Essendon's best player (Hence B&F) and the Bombers midfield needs a bit of leadership to boost. The reason he sucked through 06 was probably because he wasn't expecting captaincy in the first place. McVeigh needs a bit of self control before he is even considered captain.

 

[Chewy]

If you watched games before 2008 then you should be able to put thought into it, it was only after Lloyd's 2005 calf injury and then 2006 injury when he tore his hammy off the bone that 'diving' crept into his game.

Due to the injuries, he lost some pace off the mark, thus allowing defenders to spoil a lot easier. In response Lloyd changed his marking style by thrusting both legs backward as he would leap for the ball, gaining extra space on his opponent, but because of his body completely in the air, any slight contact would be greatly exaggerated. When Lloyd was unable to mark he would exaggerate the contact even further. This hurt his game more than it helped it, restricting his ability for second efforts. Half way through 2007 his convidence in his body returned and removed it from his game.

Yet people still harp on about it like he was doing it in his prime

Who are you trying to kid? Lloyd's only been diving for the past 2 seasons???

Lloyd has been a diving cheat for most of his career. Always falling forwards when he was caught in front and often pushing his opponent in the back when he was caught behind.

Smart play, he got away with a lot before it all became highly scrutinised and lampooned by everyone. The full backs were grabbing onto him and the umps were easily conned, so why not? Beats trying to catch the ball like Lockett and Dunstall did. Far simpler way to kick goals if you're good at conning umpires.

A classic, memorable Lloyd dive occurred in the final quarter of the 1999 Preliminary Final when he contested a high ball with Silvagni, directly in front of the Punt Rd goals. Lloydy fell over like a ponce and was awarded the free. SOS was furious. Essendon trailed by a kick and there was just minutes to go. Lloyd lined up from the top of the goal square and.... MISSED!!!!

Silvagni (still seething) ran straight at him and gave him a hip and shoulder, as if to say "Cop that you cheating, diving ****!"
Lloydy took another theatrical tumble and looked up at the umpire with those pleading eyes, hoping for a second shot at goal from 20m out.

The Essendon fans always scape-goated Dean Wallis for losing that game, after he unsuccessfully tried to run around a Fraser Brown tackle in the final seconds. But I always thought Lloyd's miss from point blank was far more crucial.

 

[Chewy]

Worst captain? Who can say? Too many people confuse the issue by nominating the worst footballer among the 16 or so captains.

A good captain does not necessarily have to be the most brilliant footballer. Despite the fact he was an ordinary footballer, Richie Vandenberg was a good captain for the young Hawks from 2005-2007. He helped to instill the right attitude amongst our inexperienced playing group. He was vocal and supportive. He showed many of the young bucks what it took to be a player, how to train, how to prepare, etc. He was part of the reason our young group was fast-tracked to a premiership in 2008.

I would've said Kane Johnson was a bad captain. Ordinary footballer who got drunk and got caught urinating on the wall of a police station. He also accidentally revealed the delisting of David Rodan (and 2 others) during his speech at a best & fairest night BEFORE they'd all been told. Not the sharpest tool in the shed... But I wouldn't know. It's just perception from the outside looking in.

I don't think any of us really know who the worst captain is. The only people who could really know are those who are closest - the players and coaches. And they would only really know about their own captain, not the other 15 captains. And if their captain was bad, you probably wouldn't hear about it. There would be a few whispers, some muttering, he'd quietly "stand down" at the end of season, all kept in-house and uncontroversial.... (Warren Tredrea...? Maybe Tredders would've been a good captain at another club, but if you believe the rumours, he did not have the support of his teammates. This problem would make anyone a 'bad captain')

This poll is all a load of crap. Everyone wants to dump on Nick Maxwell, but for all they know, the worst AFL captain could be Pavlich, Judd, Mitchell, Riewoldt or J Brown. Maybe one of those guys is a selfish arseh*le who speaks well into a microphone, but acts like a bit of a hero and is aloof around his club. Who knows?

 

[Burzum]

Tell 'em how you really feel, Chewy.

 

[Chewy]

My comments are fair enough, aren't they?

I'm not having a go at the person who started the poll.

I'm having a go at the herd mentality of people who want to lay the boot into Nick Maxwell (and Richie Vandenberg before him)

It's a great achievement for the overlooked, self-made footballers like Vandenberg, Maxwell, Kirk, Harley, Mitchell, Simpson and Cassisi to bust their arse to get onto an AFL list, then become really good players, and then be named as captain of their club. It's a huge feather in their cap. Much more so than the naturally gifted footballers like Pavlich or Judd who 'automatically' get named captain.

We should be applauding these guys. Not bagging them. It pisses me off. What has Maxwell done to deserve the bagging he gets? Instead, why not bag someone like Josh Fraser? He would've been earmarked as Buckley's successor a few years back, but he has been overlooked.

 

[Burzum]

I share the same feelings.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Who are you trying to kid? Lloyd's only been diving for the past 2 seasons???

Lloyd has been a diving cheat for most of his career. Always falling forwards when he was caught in front and often pushing his opponent in the back when he was caught behind.

Smart play, he got away with a lot before it all became highly scrutinised and lampooned by everyone. The full backs were grabbing onto him and the umps were easily conned, so why not? Beats trying to catch the ball like Lockett and Dunstall did. Far simpler way to kick goals if you're good at conning umpires.

A classic, memorable Lloyd dive occurred in the final quarter of the 1999 Preliminary Final when he contested a high ball with Silvagni, directly in front of the Punt Rd goals. Lloydy fell over like a ponce and was awarded the free. SOS was furious. Essendon trailed by a kick and there was just minutes to go. Lloyd lined up from the top of the goal square and.... MISSED!!!!

Silvagni (still seething) ran straight at him and gave him a hip and shoulder, as if to say "Cop that you cheating, diving ****!"
Lloydy took another theatrical tumble and looked up at the umpire with those pleading eyes, hoping for a second shot at goal from 20m out.

The Essendon fans always scape-goated Dean Wallis for losing that game, after he unsuccessfully tried to run around a Fraser Brown tackle in the final seconds. But I always thought Lloyd's miss from point blank was far more crucial.

Even I thought it was a bit rich.
Although I'm not saying he didn't dive before, just that it only became a prominent part of his game during 2005, before the injuries he wouldn't rely on diving to win himself the ball. Not to be pedantic, its actually the past 4 years.

Its more that the level at which he does it is so over dramatized.

[YOUTUBE]6lR-vZkkafs[/YOUTUBE]

Clearly had his legs taken out from him, yet some twat has loaded it up on youtube claiming it as a dive. The hype of it has out grown the truth by a long long way. Even the commentators can't tell the difference...

 

[Smyth94]

A classic, memorable Lloyd dive occurred in the final quarter of the 1999 Preliminary Final when he contested a high ball with Silvagni, directly in front of the Punt Rd goals. Lloydy fell over like a ponce and was awarded the free. SOS was furious. Essendon trailed by a kick and there was just minutes to go. Lloyd lined up from the top of the goal square and.... MISSED!!!!

Silvagni (still seething) ran straight at him and gave him a hip and shoulder, as if to say "Cop that you cheating, diving ****!"
Lloydy took another theatrical tumble and looked up at the umpire with those pleading eyes, hoping for a second shot at goal from 20m out.

The Essendon fans always scape-goated Dean Wallis for losing that game, after he unsuccessfully tried to run around a Fraser Brown tackle in the final seconds. But I always thought Lloyd's miss from point blank was far more crucial.

We kicked >19 behinds that day from memory...Rioli, Caracella etc all missed sitters...in the third quarter we kicked 7.7; with a bit more accuracy the game should've been over by then.

Yet you blame Lloyd for an easy missed goal?

 

[The_Flying_Egg]

Clearly its Brad Johnson...I've never seen a guy shit his pants so hard at the prospect of trying to slot a goal to win his team a game of footy.

Johnno's miss was almost bad as Lloyd's miss from a whole 10 metres out to make the Dogs Bombers 02 game a draw

 

[mark73]

My comments are fair enough, aren't they?

I'm not having a go at the person who started the poll.

I'm having a go at the herd mentality of people who want to lay the boot into Nick Maxwell (and Richie Vandenberg before him)

It's a great achievement for the overlooked, self-made footballers like Vandenberg, Maxwell, Kirk, Harley, Mitchell, Simpson and Cassisi to bust their arse to get onto an AFL list, then become really good players, and then be named as captain of their club. It's a huge feather in their cap. Much more so than the naturally gifted footballers like Pavlich or Judd who 'automatically' get named captain.

We should be applauding these guys. Not bagging them. It pisses me off. What has Maxwell done to deserve the bagging he gets? Instead, why not bag someone like Josh Fraser? He would've been earmarked as Buckley's successor a few years back, but he has been overlooked.

Your comments are fair enough, and you'll no doubt think I'm singling him out because I'm a North supporter but Simpson was a highly rated youngster who ended up a first round draft selection.

I agree on Johnson. Richardson should've been made captain even before Campbell left. Intelligent, articulate and a great player. And he doesn't strike me as someone who would struggle under the pressure of being captain ala Matthew Larkin.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Even I thought it was a bit rich.
Although I'm not saying he didn't dive before, just that it only became a prominent part of his game during 2005, before the injuries he wouldn't rely on diving to win himself the ball. Not to be pedantic, its actually the past 4 years.

Its more that the level at which he does it is so over dramatized.

[youtube]6lR-vZkkafs[/youtube]

Clearly had his legs taken out from him, yet some twat has loaded it up on youtube claiming it as a dive. The hype of it has out grown the truth by a long long way. Even the commentators can't tell the difference...

That's never a dive. He has just kicked so all his weight is in front of him, then someone takes his legs out. Not a dive in 1,000,000 years. I'm going to need to see better evidence than that.

 

[Rabbit of Caerbannog]

Johnno's miss was almost bad as Lloyd's miss from a whole 10 metres out to make the Dogs Bombers 02 game a draw

Try 20-25m out on a tightish angle. It missed the near post by about 1cm and would have been a goal if he was about 5m further out. Johnson was directly in front and missed by an absolute mile. Shit himself. No doubt.

 

[feZZa93]

Darren glass! Absolute dud for all the WA readers stan Gibson the eagles new centre half back should get the job

 

[GrandBlue]

Try 20-25m out on a tightish angle. It missed the near post by about 1cm and would have been a goal if he was about 5m further out. Johnson was directly in front and missed by an absolute mile. Shit himself. No doubt.

Go look at both goals , they were both on angles. It also doesn't matter how much you miss it by, both players still choked to death.

 

[Rabbit of Caerbannog]

Go look at both goals, they were both on angles. It also doesn't matter how much you miss it by, both players still choked to death.

Yeah, it does matter. Lloyd felt the pressure and pushed his kick ever so slightly. Johnson completely shat his dacks and was lucky to register a behind. There's a difference.

 

[Faz 2000]

Ha. Anyone made a coherant arguement for Judd being the worst captain in the league, aside from "he palys 4 cArtunscum!111!"?

 

[GrandBlue]

Ok, after diving through the Bigfooty Archives using Google, I finally found the topic-
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-485448.html

and here's the article-
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24261291-19742,00.html?referrer=email

"Essendon champion Matthew Lloyd admitted that as he approached his 100-goal haul in 2000, achieved during the finals, he flew to Sydney to talk to Lockett about how to handle the event."

This is another reason to why I think Lloyd is a terrible captain, he sets a bad image for Essendon by making himself look like a total loser and embarresment.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Ok, after diving through the Bigfooty Archives using Google, I finally found the topic-
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-485448.html

and here's the article-
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24261291-19742,00.html?referrer=email

"Essendon champion Matthew Lloyd admitted that as he approached his 100-goal haul in 2000, achieved during the finals, he flew to Sydney to talk to Lockett about how to handle the event."

This is another reason to why I think Lloyd is a terrible captain, he sets a bad image for Essendon by making himself look like a total loser and embarresment.

Leadership and Learning are indispensable to each other - JFK

 

[DerpWerls]

Who voted for Jonathan Brown!?

 

[Burzum]

Ok, after diving through the Bigfooty Archives using Google, I finally found the topic-
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-485448.html

and here's the article-
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24261291-19742,00.html?referrer=email

"Essendon champion Matthew Lloyd admitted that as he approached his 100-goal haul in 2000, achieved during the finals, he flew to Sydney to talk to Lockett about how to handle the event."

This is another reason to why I think Lloyd is a terrible captain, he sets a bad image for Essendon by making himself look like a total loser and embarresment.

You'd be a horrificly bad captain then.

 

[bomberandy]

I went Cassisi. As previously referred to Williams didn't want him and he's probably the only player with more than 5 players in the team better qualified for the captaincy. C. Cornes, K. Cornes, S. Burgoyne, P. Burgoyne and probably Salopek as well

 

[Fastcrew]

It's obviously Nick Maxwell, he goes around the place bumping peoples heads off, last year it was Marc Murphy this year it was that young eagles player. No one has voted for Brad Johnson or Brent Harvey because their respected Nick Maxwell needs to take a page out of their book.

Maxwell has potential as a leader and needs to make it count if Collingwood are going to step up this year.