Worst AFL captain

[Altum Volantes]

wasn't Pendlebury captain during the systemic racism years?

What all 120 of them?

 

[Falcon3518]

Moronic comment. Has 3 flags himself, been voted best captain among his peers and most courageous multiple times, and even with his body worn, still has been our best mid thus far this year. Always shows leadership on field, and does so much work in the community/with every person in the club from management all the way down to the water boys.

It's not his fault he was made captain AFTER our most successful period. Seriously, are you just trying to cause controversy and annoy?

Nah not trolling lets look a few key details:

1. Captains actually need to lead their team to something ie premierships. What’s he led to exactly? The most finals losses in a decade and one of the worst win % rates. That’s just awful.

2. Yes, been voted most courageous captain the most times. What’s ironic is that he is known for ducking which is really cowardly, they had to change the rules because of him it was that bad. It’s not inspiring to young kids, it causes players like ginnivan and weightman who openly say it’s a skill and they train it. Selwood has had a major influence of this across the comp. People will remember this as part of his legacy.

Here are the free kicks for tally across the comp from 2010-2019:

1. Selwood = 617

2. Dangerfield = 417

That’s shameful 200 free more than second wow! I’d be embarrassed having him on my team.

3. Hogging the captaincy. He’s an old fart, you guys need to start a rebuild soon. If he was a good captain he would’ve passed it on by now to a younger person for the next generation. I reckon he’s holding onto it to be a premiership captain, so desperate and selfish.

 

[Shadow89]

Nah not trolling lets look a few key details:

1. Captains actually need to lead their team to something ie premierships. What’s he led to exactly? The most finals losses in a decade and one of the worst win % rates. That’s just awful.

2. Yes, been voted most courageous captain the most times. What’s ironic is that he is known for ducking which is really cowardly, they had to change the rules because of him it was that bad. It’s not inspiring to young kids, it causes players like ginnivan and weightman who openly say it’s a skill and they train it. Selwood has had a major influence of this across the comp. People will remember this as part of his legacy.

Here are the free kicks for tally across the comp from 2010-2019:

1. Selwood = 617

2. Dangerfield = 417

That’s shameful 200 free more than second wow! I’d be embarrassed having him on my team.

3. Hogging the captaincy. He’s an old fart, you guys need to start a rebuild soon. If he was a good captain he would’ve passed it on by now to a younger person for the next generation. I reckon he’s holding onto it to be a premiership captain, so desperate and selfish.

Nice effort at a troll. You've been here all of 2 months and you've already got a reputation...good job.

There are boards where you can start sh*t - like the bay - but this isn't one of them. There are rules here, and you're clearly trying to antagonize by picking out a player from my team and using wording like 'cowardly, selfish, desperate, shameful' etc. There's nothing clever about what you've said, it's all been said before on other troll threads a million times before. You, however, are derailing this thread for the glorification of your own little ego - rather than staying on topic and actually discussing the matter at hand - without reverting to your own little opinions that you're so desperate to share, because they're oh so unique.

Ignored (it means I don't see what you say anymore so don't bother responding )

 

[VinnieB]

wasn't Pendlebury captain during the systemic racism years?

It’s obvious you, like others, don’t actually know the meaning of ‘systemic’.

You should educate yourself.

 

[PhatBoy]

Nah not trolling lets look a few key details:

1. Captains actually need to lead their team to something ie premierships. What’s he led to exactly? The most finals losses in a decade and one of the worst win % rates. That’s just awful.

2. Yes, been voted most courageous captain the most times. What’s ironic is that he is known for ducking which is really cowardly, they had to change the rules because of him it was that bad. It’s not inspiring to young kids, it causes players like ginnivan and weightman who openly say it’s a skill and they train it. Selwood has had a major influence of this across the comp. People will remember this as part of his legacy.

Here are the free kicks for tally across the comp from 2010-2019:

1. Selwood = 617

2. Dangerfield = 417

That’s shameful 200 free more than second wow! I’d be embarrassed having him on my team.

3. Hogging the captaincy. He’s an old fart, you guys need to start a rebuild soon. If he was a good captain he would’ve passed it on by now to a younger person for the next generation. I reckon he’s holding onto it to be a premiership captain, so desperate and selfish.

Why do they need to do that? Even in cricket, the sport where captains have easily the MOST say in the outcome of the result, captains who win f*** all can still be outstanding. Stephen Fleming for one. Misbah Ul Huq was another who was excellent without great results to show for it.

We don’t agree on everything but generally I can see where you are coming from.

This display is an example of cluelessness

 

[Falcon3518]

Why do they need to do that? Even in cricket, the sport where captains have easily the MOST say in the outcome of the result, captains who win f*** all can still be outstanding. Stephen Fleming for one. Misbah Ul Huq was another who was excellent without great results to show for it.

We don’t agree on everything but generally I can see where you are coming from.

This display is an example of cluelessness

Look I’m not saying he’s one of the absolute worst, I said before it’s coniglio. I just think people need to look at facts of the captains we are analyse here. I’m using Selwood because he’s a current captain and people think he’s untouchable for critique, unlike the other captains everybody else trashes on this thread without issue. You know by now I’m a big stats man, so believe it or not I’m not biased at all. Bring up any Richmond player and I’ll do the same eg. Dustys two B&Fs are terrible. The greats of the game have at least 3 most 4+.

With Cotchin 1 AA is pathetic. Which is why he’s not as good a player as Selwood and Pendles despite arguably the best peak of the 3 with the Brownlow. His captaining ability is top notch though as he is a multiple premiership winning captain. The best usually are.

Supporters often think their players are better than they are and gloss over their flaws. I try not to do this. Immature people like that other cats bloke has a hissy fit and run away like a baby.

 

[PhatBoy]

Look I’m not saying he’s one of the absolute worst, I said before it’s coniglio. I just think people need to look at facts of the captains we are analyse here. I’m using Selwood because he’s a current captain and people think he’s untouchable for critique, unlike the other captains everybody else trashes on this thread without issue. You know by now I’m a big stats man, so believe it or not I’m not biased at all. Bring up any Richmond player and I’ll do the same eg. Dustys two B&Fs are terrible. The greats of the game have at least 3 most 4+.

With Cotchin 1 AA is pathetic. Which is why he’s not as good a player as Selwood and Pendles despite arguably the best peak of the 3 with the Brownlow. His captaining ability is top notch though as he is a multiple premiership winning captain. The best usually are.

Supporters often think their players are better than they are and gloss over their flaws. I try not to do this. Immature people like that other cats bloke has a hissy fit and run away like a baby.

He’s not untouchable for critique nobody is.

But you’re not analysing anything factual: you’re analysing your own speculation.

For example - you’re judging based on YOUR assessment of why he’s still captain. YOU, not facts or truth, are the one saying ‘he’s only captain because he’s selfish and wants to be a flag winning captain’ and then making a determination based on THAT made-up judgement to rate his leadership.

A similar analogy would be for me to analyse a prime minister’s leadership qualities in the job and base them on ‘he only took the job so he can get a pension’ or something similar. I don’t know that, I can’t know that, and more than likely it’s not true

As one of, if not THE most professionally run club in the competition, I highly doubt Geelong’s myriad staff, directors, committee members, coaches, list management people have forgotten to have meetings about club structure and just decided to never ever talk about ‘who’s gonna lead us this year?’

They make an assessment, they decide that they want Selwood in the role and they maintain the status quo because they believe he is the best person for the job.

Similarly Selwood has shown over 16 seasons that he is intelligent, articulate, devoted to his club and the community, and as such would have learned a fair deal about the art of self reflection. He would speak to other leaders in the club, ask for an accept feedback, and make an assessment each year as to whether he is the right person to do the job and whether he can do it effectively.

You’ve managed to break that down into ‘he’s just a selfish c*** that’s why he’s captain.’

It’s kindergarten analysis mate and despite my stance on some issues which I disagree vehemently on, I can see that you actually have a modicum of analytical and intelligent thought about your posting.

This take is just stupid.


The easiest way to debunk it is this:

If any other player had been captain since Ling retired, would we have more trophies?

We both know the answer to that.

 

[Falcon3518]

He’s not untouchable for critique nobody is.

But you’re not analysing anything factual: you’re analysing your own speculation.

For example - you’re judging based on YOUR assessment of why he’s still captain. YOU, not facts or truth, are the one saying ‘he’s only captain because he’s selfish and wants to be a flag winning captain’ and then making a determination based on THAT made-up judgement to rate his leadership.

A similar analogy would be for me to analyse a prime minister’s leadership qualities in the job and base them on ‘he only took the job so he can get a pension’ or something similar. I don’t know that, I can’t know that, and more than likely it’s not true

As one of, if not THE most professionally run club in the competition, I highly doubt Geelong’s myriad staff, directors, committee members, coaches, list management people have forgotten to have meetings about club structure and just decided to never ever talk about ‘who’s gonna lead us this year?’

They make an assessment, they decide that they want Selwood in the role and they maintain the status quo because they believe he is the best person for the job.

Similarly Selwood has shown over 16 seasons that he is intelligent, articulate, devoted to his club and the community, and as such would have learned a fair deal about the art of self reflection. He would speak to other leaders in the club, ask for an accept feedback, and make an assessment each year as to whether he is the right person to do the job and whether he can do it effectively.

You’ve managed to break that down into ‘he’s just a selfish c*** that’s why he’s captain.’

It’s kindergarten analysis mate and despite my stance on some issues which I disagree vehemently on, I can see that you actually have a modicum of analytical and intelligent thought about your posting.

This take is just stupid.


The easiest way to debunk it is this:

If any other player had been captain since Ling retired, would we have more trophies?

We both know the answer to that.

No Selwood was the right man for the job up until the last few years, he just needs to change it now and think for the future. You had your shot and your window is closed imo. FYI clubs tend to pump up stats of nearly retiring players, eg Silk and Boomer Harvey. It could be what’s happening here but I’m not saying thats 100% what’s going on.

 

[PhatBoy]

No Selwood was the right man for the job up until the last few years, he just needs to change it now and think for the future. You had your shot and your window is closed imo. FYI clubs tend to pump up stats of nearly retiring players, eg Silk and Boomer Harvey. It could be what’s happening here but I’m not saying thats 100% what’s going on.

Our window is irrelevant. What the younger players learn now is what will decide our future, not our draft hand in the coming years. Learning from a player who never would ask anyone to do something he’s not willing to do himself is the perfect way for them to develop

 

[emuboy]

I'm not buying into the good captains vs. bad captains debates, but who were some team captains over the years who only had a very short tenure in the role, not counting acting captains?

One example was Richard Osborne, who was captain of Fitzroy for one season and one season only in 1991, before Paul Roos resumed as Lions skipper from 1992. Richmond appointed Jeff Hogg as Tigers captain for the 1993 season, but he had just one season to enjoy his position as on-field leader before being traded to Fitzroy at the end of the year in exchange for Lions Michael Gale, Paul Broderick and Michael Dundas.

Any other examples you can think of like Hogg and Osborne?

 

[branedotorg]

God can't be expected to keep track of all his creations

Having met him informally a few times he'd have occasionally had trouble keeping track of how many arms he has

 

[Red Bull]

Ziebell
Get your act together north

 

[ThatsjustDappa]

Nah not trolling lets look a few key details:

1. Captains actually need to lead their team to something ie premierships. What’s he led to exactly? The most finals losses in a decade and one of the worst win % rates. That’s just awful.

2. Yes, been voted most courageous captain the most times. What’s ironic is that he is known for ducking which is really cowardly, they had to change the rules because of him it was that bad. It’s not inspiring to young kids, it causes players like ginnivan and weightman who openly say it’s a skill and they train it. Selwood has had a major influence of this across the comp. People will remember this as part of his legacy.

Here are the free kicks for tally across the comp from 2010-2019:

1. Selwood = 617

2. Dangerfield = 417

That’s shameful 200 free more than second wow! I’d be embarrassed having him on my team.

3. Hogging the captaincy. He’s an old fart, you guys need to start a rebuild soon. If he was a good captain he would’ve passed it on by now to a younger person for the next generation. I reckon he’s holding onto it to be a premiership captain, so desperate and selfish.

How's that melt looking for ya eh....

 

[Captain_Bender]

Patrick Cripps

9

Patrick Cripps

Age

30

Ht

195cm

Wt

93kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

25.9

5star

K

9.8

4star

HB

16.1

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

5.8

5star

CL

7.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.9

5star

M

2.5

3star

T

3.8

4star

CL

6.3

5star

D

12.6

4star

K

4.8

2star

HB

7.8

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.2

5star

CL

1.4

4star

has now replaced Selwood

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Patrick Cripps has now replaced Selwood

Thats brownlow medalist Patrick Cripps thank you !!!

 

[Captain_Bender]

Thats brownlow medalist Patrick Cripps thank you !!!

No finals Patrick Cripps, son

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

No finals Patrick Cripps, son

In all seriousness, it has to be Dyson Heppell. Was part of the suspended Essendon #34 and generally has been an albatross as leader of EFC for several years now

 

[Wojcinski]

How's that melt looking for ya eh....

it's a pity old mate Falcon went and got himself banned because he had some ripping takes about Geelong & Selwood in his short time here on BF

 

[Art Vandelay_]

 

[WillHayward]

Allen
Simpkin
Steele
Sicily

 

[kaiserchief13]

Allen
Simpkin
Steele
Sicily

Liam Duggan so bad he is ignored?

 

[WillHayward]

Liam Duggan so bad he is ignored?

Never heard of him until now.

 

[VerC]

Darcy Moore

30

Darcy Moore

Age

29

Ht

203cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.1

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

169.1

3star

D

13.9

3star

K

7.3

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

0.7

1star

MG

182.0

3star

D

6.8

2star

K

4.2

2star

HB

2.6

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

87.4

2star

. Always crumbles under pressure.

 

[QuietB]

Sic had a tough day yesterday but the Hawks will not be taking advice from Nick ****ing Riewoldt

 

[PenfoldsFan]

C'mon guys, you're being a little unfair to poor Sic.
You clearly dont understand Hawthorns systems.
What you've seen from Sic in the past week is not the work of the worst Captain, its actually all part of the grand plan.

Arguing with the umpire, pointing fingers at others, dropping marks, spraying kicks, turnovers all the while whilst criticising team mates ill directed kicks and celebrating joe the goose goals like you've just kicked the sealer are ALL part of the Hawthorn systems.