Worst AFL draft Ever

[robertg22]

The crop the Bulldogs got are looking good prospects so far, Webb, McLean and Caleb Daniels, have all got games for us this year and slotted in well.

2014 draft is looking pretty good if you ask me. It is early to call but the likes of McCartin, Brayshaw, De Goey, Moore, Cockatoo, Duggan, Ellis, Weller, Lever, Garlett, Heeney, Laverde, Goddard, McKenzie & Steele have shown a bit and that's just the top 25.

The Bulldogs players you mention all look quality plus there's others like Miller, Maynard, Neal-Bullen, Lonie, Gregson & Andrews outside the top 25 who look good.

Not surprised this came from a Carlton fan

Probably right - Boekhurst, Viojo-Rainbow & Clem Smith doesn't seem like a great haul at this point!

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Too early to call, but last year's draft is looking very ordinary.

I think that's because the top end guys haven't really had much of a chance to show their wares just yet. McCartin, Wright and Cockatoo all need more time before a fair assessment can be made. Petracca is injured. Marchbank, Pickett and Ahern were always going to struggle to break into that side in their first year. But those guys aside, De Goey, Brayshaw and Moore have all looked very, very good in stints. In the next group all of Garlett, Lever, Duggan, Heeney and Goddard are already slotting in effortlessly and looking like quality, with the others showing signs also. From there on it's looking quite even - Steele, Webb, McLean, Miller, Maynard, Howe, Menadue, Rose, Lonie, Dawson, Dale, Daniel, Gregson, Nelson, Andrews...all of these guys have shown signs.

It's too early to call, as you say, but I actually think the draft class is looking like being pretty good. A lot will hinge on how those elite prospects come on with time but it's still looking like the draft delivered a very good number of solid - or better - contributors.

 

[BoxMatrix]

Too early to call, but last year's draft is looking very ordinary.

Petrecca excused through injury, last year's top 10 haven't set the world on fire, aside from Brayshaw who is silk (De Goey is definitely overhyped)

The 2013 draft is definitely shaping up as perhaps the greatest ND since 1993, so much class and quantity in that group.

Oh **** off you troll.

 

[robertg22]

Oh **** off you troll.

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...d1=4043&tid2=4&pid2=3930&type=A&fid1=O&fid2=O

 

[1892]

Too early to call, but last year's draft is looking very ordinary.

Petrecca excused through injury, last year's top 10 haven't set the world on fire, aside from Brayshaw who is silk (De Goey is definitely overhyped)

The 2013 draft is definitely shaping up as perhaps the greatest ND since 1993, so much class and quantity in that group.

What are you basing that on? There doesn't seem to be much difference in their years and both look like promising players.

De Goey vs Brayshaw footywire

 

[MisterMarcus]

The 2004 draft is a funny one.

It seems to be thought of as a "good draft" because Hawthorn absolutely gunned it (Roughead, Franklin, Lewis), and there were some very good/great other players (Griffen, Van Berlo, Lynden Dunn, Matt Rosa, Mark LeCras, Travis Cloke) in there as well. But it was pretty shallow in the top end.

Tambling #4, John Messen #8, Jordan Russel #9, Chris Egan #10,

Adam Thomson #11, Danny Meyer #12, Matthew Bate #13, Adam Pattison #16, Andrew McQualter #17, Cameron Wood #18, Ryan Willits (who?) #19,

Dean Polo #20, Jesse Wells (who??) #22, Sean Rusling #23, Adam Hartlett #25, and four guys I have never heard of at # 26, 27, 28, 30,

Jarred Moore #31, Brent Prismall #32, Cain Ackland #33, James Ezard (who?) #34, Fabian Deluca #35, Luke McGuane #36, Damien McCormack #38.


Now I am not saying all these guys were complete spuds. There were some players in there who gave good service, and some like Rusling that were destroyed by injury. But did blokes like Russell or Bate or McQualter live up to being top 20 picks? You'd probably say no.

By my count, only 16 of that entire draft are still playing (including Chris Knights), which I'd have thought is a fairly high "fail" rate.

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

I thought the original comment might've been referring to players taken out of the draft (pre-selection or mini-drafts).

Either way the GWS players you've mentioned are from the 2011 draft, not 2012 where you got Whitfield, Plowman, O'Rourke, Jaksch and Corr in the first round.

Aahhh, fair point.

 

[robertg22]

The 2004 draft is a funny one.

It seems to be thought of as a "good draft" because Hawthorn absolutely gunned it (Roughead, Franklin, Lewis), and there were some very good/great other players (Griffen, Van Berlo, Lynden Dunn, Matt Rosa, Mark LeCras, Travis Cloke) in there as well. But it was pretty shallow in the top end.

Tambling #4, John Messen #8, Jordan Russel #9, Chris Egan #10,

Adam Thomson #11, Danny Meyer #12, Matthew Bate #13, Adam Pattison #16, Andrew McQualter #17, Cameron Wood #18, Ryan Willits (who?) #19,

Dean Polo #20, Jesse Wells (who??) #22, Sean Rusling #23, Adam Hartlett #25, and four guys I have never heard of at # 26, 27, 28, 30,

Jarred Moore #31, Brent Prismall #32, Cain Ackland #33, James Ezard (who?) #34, Fabian Deluca #35, Luke McGuane #36, Damien McCormack #38.


Now I am not saying all these guys were complete spuds. There were some players in there who gave good service, and some like Rusling that were destroyed by injury. But did blokes like Russell or Bate or McQualter live up to being top 20 picks? You'd probably say no.

By my count, only 16 of that entire draft are still playing (including Chris Knights), which I'd have thought is a fairly high "fail" rate.

Yep that is a pretty awful draft. Not as bad as 2003 though.

 

[Honeyboy Wilson]

The 2004 draft is a funny one.

It seems to be thought of as a "good draft" because Hawthorn absolutely gunned it (Roughead, Franklin, Lewis), and there were some very good/great other players (Griffen, Van Berlo, Lynden Dunn, Matt Rosa, Mark LeCras, Travis Cloke) in there as well. But it was pretty shallow in the top end.

Tambling #4, John Messen #8, Jordan Russel #9, Chris Egan #10,

Adam Thomson #11, Danny Meyer #12, Matthew Bate #13, Adam Pattison #16, Andrew McQualter #17, Cameron Wood #18, Ryan Willits (who?) #19,

Dean Polo #20, Jesse Wells (who??) #22, Sean Rusling #23, Adam Hartlett #25, and four guys I have never heard of at # 26, 27, 28, 30,

Jarred Moore #31, Brent Prismall #32, Cain Ackland #33, James Ezard (who?) #34, Fabian Deluca #35, Luke McGuane #36, Damien McCormack #38.


Now I am not saying all these guys were complete spuds. There were some players in there who gave good service, and some like Rusling that were destroyed by injury. But did blokes like Russell or Bate or McQualter live up to being top 20 picks? You'd probably say no.

By my count, only 16 of that entire draft are still playing (including Chris Knights), which I'd have thought is a fairly high "fail" rate.

At various stages of their careers... I don't think it would it be out of place to call all of Buddy, Rough, Deledio, Griffen, Cloke or Lewis a superstar. So in that sense it is a good draft. Definitely doesn't have the depth of others, but its high end is a lot higher than most.

The one that gets me the most is 2008... there are so many good players all the way through the entire thing. It's the deepest draft class ever. But outside of Dayne Beams and Daniel Hannebery (taken 29 and 30), I don't really see any superstars in there yet (unless you wanna call Nic Nat one, which I personally don't).

 

[King Cold]

The 2013 draft is definitely shaping up as perhaps the greatest ND since 1993, so much class and quantity in that group.

Better than 2001?

 

[Gumby2Hurley]

Too early to call, but last year's draft is looking very ordinary.

Petrecca excused through injury, last year's top 10 haven't set the world on fire, aside from Brayshaw who is silk (De Goey is definitely overhyped)

The 2013 draft is definitely shaping up as perhaps the greatest ND since 1993, so much class and quantity in that group.

Guessing you haven't seen much any other draftee apart from your own. Did you see De Goey's game on the weekend? I'd argue he doesn't get enough recognition. As for the rest of the draft, yeah you're right too early to call. Another year in the draft showed massive improvements/upsides for the likes of Sheed, Cripps, Sunshine, Lang and to a lesser extent Lennon.

Based on depth 2014>2013
Based on talent in the top 10 2013>2014 but FWIW the top 10 can be just as good in 2014.

 

[Gumby2Hurley]

2003 would be my pick. Only good players to come from the top 20 being Cooney, Mundy followed by the likes of Stanton, Walker and Ray.

 

[carloss]

The 2004 draft is a funny one.

Ryan Willits (who?) #19,
James Ezard (who?) #34

Willits - Ruckman at West Adelaide
Ezard - won the 2009 Magarey Medal with West Adelaide.

 

[DaVillaBlues]

Guessing you haven't seen much any other draftee apart from your own. Did you see De Goey's game on the weekend? I'd argue he doesn't get enough recognition. As for the rest of the draft, yeah you're right too early to call. Another year in the draft showed massive improvements/upsides for the likes of Sheed, Cripps, Sunshine, Lang and to a lesser extent Lennon.

Based on depth 2014>2013
Based on talent in the top 10 2013>2014 but FWIW the top 10 can be just as good in 2014.

You can't be serious? The top 10 of 2013, plus Lennon and Cripps taken at 12 and13 are so much better than the 2014 draft. There were some bargains in that draft too.

Stand by my critique of De Goey, frankly I'd rather Duggan or Corey Ellis TBH

 

[Brentmeister]

Seems like we won the 2009 draft - we traded draft picks (and Mark Williams) for Burgoyne and Gibson and with the late picks we had left picked Stratton and Duryea

Swans did alright too

But looks slim pickings for everyone else

Crows drafted Talia (#13), Gunston (#29), Sam Shaw (#45) and then Luke Thompson (#17 rookie), Matthew Wright (#33 rookie) and Matt Jaensch (#46 rookie) and Aidan Riley (#58 rookie).

Don't know if you can do much better than that in a crap draft.

 

[Stopher]

2006

 

[GCNavyBlue]

And in Melbournes case it's the 2nd

In Carltons case, their first draft is just coming up...

 

[MightyHawks]

Crows drafted Talia (#13), Gunston (#29), Sam Shaw (#45) and then Luke Thompson (#17 rookie), Matthew Wright (#33 rookie) and Matt Jaensch (#46 rookie) and Aidan Riley (#58 rookie).

Don't know if you can do much better than that in a crap draft.

You did well that year too

There's always winners and losers in every draft

Gunston is terrific!

 

[fronkalicious]

From a club point of view, 2009 was an absolute ball tearer:

15 - Christian Howard (famously passed on Fyfe, Carlisle, Duncan and Gunston)
31 - Jason Tutt (passed on Gawn, Sam Reid, Christensen)
63 - Lukas Markovic
76 - Shane Thorne.

Fuhaaaark.

 

[Silvagnis]

2014 draft is looking pretty good if you ask me. It is early to call but the likes of McCartin, Brayshaw, De Goey, Moore, Cockatoo, Duggan, Ellis, Weller, Lever, Garlett, Heeney, Laverde, Goddard, McKenzie & Steele have shown a bit and that's just the top 25.

The Bulldogs players you mention all look quality plus there's others like Miller, Maynard, Neal-Bullen, Lonie, Gregson & Andrews outside the top 25 who look good.


Probably right - Boekhurst, Viojo-Rainbow & Clem Smith doesn't seem like a great haul at this point!

We got who we wanted and need after we went for outside run and speed.

Boekhorst has shown as much as other second round picks who are hyped and have shown signs without dominating. Just needs to build his engine like Cripps who looked one paced and did nothing in his first year. Harder for a half forward/outside mid to get a lot of the ball than an inside mid like Cripps. Lovely kick, super quick and a good overhead mark for his size.

Like Smith who has a crack and doesn't shirk contact like Garlett.

Rainbow needs time.

 

[Lefthanded]

Too early to call, but last year's draft is looking very ordinary.

Petrecca excused through injury, last year's top 10 haven't set the world on fire, aside from Brayshaw who is silk (De Goey is definitely overhyped)

The 2013 draft is definitely shaping up as perhaps the greatest ND since 1993, so much class and quantity in that group.

Better than 2001?

My thoughts are very similar to King Cold's - 2001 commonly considered a superdraft and names like Ablett, Hodge, Judd, Ball, Dal Santo, Bartel, Mitchell, Kelly, Swan, Johnson, Montagna, Lake mean that your "too early to call" on 2014 should also be applied to 2013. For mine Bonts, Cripps, McCarthy the only ones who to date could project anywhere near that group, but like I said, too early to really know.

 

[i am a logo]

2000 probably had the worst top 10 draft picks ever

1 Nick Riewoldt Southport Sharks St Kilda
1 2 Justin Koschitzke Murray Bushrangers St Kilda
1 3 Alan Didak Port Adelaide Magpies Collingwood
1 4 Luke Livingston Bendigo Pioneers Carlton
1 5 Andrew McDougall Perth Football Club West Coast
1 6 Dylan Smith Sandringham Dragons Kangaroos
1 7 Laurence Angwin Dandenong Stingrays Adelaide
1 8 Daniel Motlop North Adelaide Roosters Kangaroos
1 9 Kayne Pettifer Murray Bushrangers Richmond
1 10 Jordan McMahon Glenelg Western Bulldogs


First 3 are alright, but Livingston to McMahon were mostly duds who struggled to even get a game. A few good to great players were taken as lower picks though, like Daniel Kerr and Kane Cornes for example

 

[Matele]

And in Richmond's case it's about the 8th year of the 'modern' draft.

And in Melbournes case it's the 2nd

To be fair, Carlton hasn't even taken part in one yet. At least you're trying.

 

[Purple Suit]

At various stages of their careers... I don't think it would it be out of place to call all of Buddy, Rough, Deledio, Griffen, Cloke or Lewis a superstar. So in that sense it is a good draft. Definitely doesn't have the depth of others, but its high end is a lot higher than most.

The one that gets me the most is 2008... there are so many good players all the way through the entire thing. It's the deepest draft class ever. But outside of Dayne Beams and Daniel Hannebery (taken 29 and 30), I don't really see any superstars in there yet (unless you wanna call Nic Nat one, which I personally don't).

Steven Hill goes alright. Not your grunt player but the cream on the cake with his speed and deadly boot. Others would be Sloane, Walters, Motlop, Sidebottom.

Even though Fyfe would be a bigger star from the 2009 draft, the 2008 is the best since 2001.

 

[TassieSaint]

2000 probably had the worst top 10 draft picks ever

1 Nick Riewoldt Southport Sharks St Kilda
1 2 Justin Koschitzke Murray Bushrangers St Kilda
1 3 Alan Didak Port Adelaide Magpies Collingwood
1 4 Luke Livingston Bendigo Pioneers Carlton
1 5 Andrew McDougall Perth Football Club West Coast
1 6 Dylan Smith Sandringham Dragons Kangaroos
1 7 Laurence Angwin Dandenong Stingrays Adelaide
1 8 Daniel Motlop North Adelaide Roosters Kangaroos
1 9 Kayne Pettifer Murray Bushrangers Richmond
1 10 Jordan McMahon Glenelg Western Bulldogs


First 3 are alright, but Livingston to McMahon were mostly duds who struggled to even get a game. A few good to great players were taken as lower picks though, like Daniel Kerr and Kane Cornes for example

Far too harsh on Daniel Motlop there. Had his issues but was an elite forward at his best.