Worst Coach?

[Voice of Reason]

It's that time of the year when the more fickle supporters start to bay for the head of losing coaches.

I wondered who you all thought were the worst coaches in (say) the last ten years or so and why? (I've avoided a poll because it leads the witness and also quells discussion).

You can choose anyone you like and even someone who had a bad spell (eg Gary Ayres at Geelong, though he seems to be doing better at Adelaide, or Robert Walls at various losing times).

My top three:

3. Tony Shaw. Appeared to have no idea of tactics and failed to make any progress in four years at Collingwood, leaving a legacy of Buckley and no team.

2. Damian Drum. No game plan discernible at the Dockers. Wouldn't talk to players who weren't his favourites. Outstandingly long losing record.

1. Ken Judge. Exuded negativity and lack of faith in his players and liked to criticise and humiliate them. Has no respect for other humans. Always took the credit, never the blame.

Honourable mentions to Jeff Gieschen, Roger Merrett and we'll see how Grant Thomas travels at St Kilda.

 

[Portia]

1. Tim Watson
2. Gerard Neesham
3. Robert Shaw
4. Tony Shaw

Tim Watson was so bad, I'd forgotten he existed!

 

[Rocco Jones]

Originally posted by Voice of Reason

1. Ken Judge. Exuded negativity and lack of faith in his players and liked to criticise and humiliate them. Has no respect for other humans. Always took the credit, never the blame.

Intresting. I met a guy who did the stats for the Eagles. He was a friend of a friend. He, as the stats man, would sit in the coaches box with Judge. The guy said that Judge was a very negative person. He would never even say thanks or hi to him and spent most of the game swearing and bagging players (ie calling them soft, weak).

The guy also worked with Mick Malthouse and said that he was as nice as someone so professional could be.

 

[Fansquad]

1. Robert Shaw (tough circumstances)
2. Gerrard Nesham
3. Tim Watson

 

[red+black]

Timmy!

Timmy!

Timmy!

Timmy!

 

[Magpie Miracle]

Kevin Sheedy. Given the side that he's had at his disposal the last 20+ years, to win only 4 flags is just not good enough. The Hawks managed to win 5 flags in just a 9 year period. That's what great sides do. Funny how shee'dy's sides had their best years the year Sheedy's contract was up for renewal too.

 

[JUBJUB]

What about the guy who coached Sydney for awhile ?
His 1st name was Brett.

 

[Dan26]

Gary Buckenara

Honourable mentions to Ken Judge, Tim Watson, Wayne Schimulbusch, Peter Knights, and of course the most overrated coach of all - ROBERT WALLS.

 

[red+black]

Originally posted by Magpie Miracle
Kevin Sheedy. Given the side that he's had at his disposal the last 20+ years, to win only 4 flags is just not good enough. The Hawks managed to win 5 flags in just a 9 year period. That's what great sides do. Funny how shee'dy's sides had their best years the year Sheedy's contract was up for renewal too.

All Collingwood coaches over the last 50 years. To only win two flags in half a century is embarassing at best, you wonder the club still survive.



anyway, i'm off to bed, so i won't see any more of you're drivel, so reply if u wish.

 

[LordLucifer]

Re: Re: Worst Coach?

Originally posted by Rocco Jones



Intresting. I met a guy who did the stats for the Eagles. He was a friend of a friend. He, as the stats man, would sit in the coaches box with Judge. The guy said that Judge was a very negative person. He would never even say thanks or hi to him and spent most of the game swearing and bagging players (ie calling them soft, weak).

The guy also worked with Mick Malthouse and said that he was as nice as someone so professional could be.

Interesting you speak of Judge, I am reliably informed that as soon as he replaced Malthouse, he bagged Malthouse to all the players, the likes of Jackovich, Matera McIntosh etc which got them all off side from the start. He had no personality and was a real prick to everyone.

 

[Magpie Miracle]

Originally posted by red+black
anyway, i'm off to bed, so i won't see any more of you're drivel, so reply if u wish. you'll be banned by tomorrow.

Most teeny-bopper bomber kiddies ae off to bed about now too, so you're in good company.

Oh, and I wont be banned tomorrow, sorry to disappoint you.

I can tell you are almost in tears, it's gotta be hurting losing every single argument you have. Don't worry - that's the BOMBER WAY, just ask Dan.

 

[sabre_ac]

Originally posted by Porthos
1. Tim Watson
2. Gerard Neesham
3. Robert Shaw
4. Tony Shaw

Tim Watson was so bad, I'd forgotten he existed!

Isnt that interesting.
A game plan that your side uses that was originally implemented by neesham and you consider him one of the worst coaches.
Neesham was ahead of his time his only down fall was arogance and too much belief in his game plan.Ie thinking he doesnt need the cattle

 

[Dan26]

I agree. I don't think Neesham was a bad coach at all - he jsut didn't have the cattle.

Unlike some coaches, at least he had a game plan which was rigidly adhered to. The problem was his players didn't have the skill to execute it. They still came within half a game of a finals appearances in 1997 and performed adequately in their frst two seasons.

 

[Magpie Miracle]

Originally posted by Dan26
ROBERT WALLS.

Gee, that's surprising coming from an essenscum supporter

 

[Docker_Brat]

1. Robert Shaw
2. Tony Shaw
3. Ken Judge
4. Tim Watson
5. Malcolm Blight (St Kilda days only)

 

[Goldenblue]

Tim Watson
Tony Shaw
Ken Judge


They would be my top three. Others to mention would be Robert Shaw, Damien Drum, Gary Buckenara.

Surprisingly, no one bothered to mention Kevin Bartlett here, but I dont think he could be blamed. He was not given a fair go and had a side that was young and inexperienced......

 

[Magpie Miracle]

Originally posted by Dan26
I don't think Neesham was a bad coach at all - he jsut didn't have the cattle.

yeh, and Peter Knights' teams were all players in their prime

 

[sapaul]

Originally posted by JUBJUB
What about the guy who coached Sydney for awhile ?
His 1st name was Brett.

Brett Scott.

Mine are.

1. Robert Shaw
2. Kevin Higgins(coached Sturt in the SANFL, don't think this said it had to be exclusively AFL)
3. Grant Thomas
4. Kevin Bartlett
5. Tim Watson
6. Bernie Quinlan

 

[red+black]

Originally posted by Magpie Miracle
Most teeny-bopper bomber kiddies ae off to bed about now too, so you're in good company.

i just have to bite one last time. your spelling mistakes aside, it's pre-pubescent "kiddies" such as yourself that equate one's "bedtime" with one's age. i too can remember getting a hard-on over staying up late, i was probably 12 at the time. don't worry, you just might grow out of it.

 

[The Hitman]

Originally posted by Dan26
Gary Buckenara

That's the man. Peter Knights is damn close too. They're both at Glenferrie now, so maybe that's why we're in the sh*t.

The Hitman

 

[Magpie Miracle]

Originally posted by red+black


i just have to bite one last time. your spelling mistakes aside, it's pre-pubescent "kiddies" such as yourself that equate one's "bedtime" with one's age. i too can remember getting a hard-on over staying up late, i was probably 12 at the time. don't worry, you just might grow out of it.

Yep, you must be younger than I thought. Haven't you been taught yet that after full stops you must start your next word with a capital letter. I've underlined all your mistakes for you to make it a little easier for you to understand.

Oh, and you get hard-ons just for staying up late? How embarrassing!!!!

[Bluey] MM, this is just trolling. Be constructive. [/Bluey]

 

[The_Flying_Egg]

Originally posted by Dan26
I agree. I don't think Neesham was a bad coach at all - he jsut didn't have the cattle.

Unlike some coaches, at least he had a game plan which was rigidly adhered to. The problem was his players didn't have the skill to execute it. They still came within half a game of a finals appearances in 1997 and performed adequately in their frst two seasons.

I agree. Neesham new he had to try something different to make the players he had competitive and it worked. His sides finished higher than they should have


Neesham was a good coach

 

[Asgardian]

Gary Buckenara
Tim Watson
Tony Shaw
Peter Knights
Robert Shaw
Ricky Quade
Norm Dare
Damien Drum
Ken Judge
Paul Feltham
and worst of all, Gerard Neesham

He was worst because he based everything around his game plan, he ignored the player aspect of the equation. This was because he was of the opinion, that he could train any group of players to utilise his game plan, thus creating a champion team. This indifference to actual players was the factor that lost Fremantle the services of Andrew McLeod. Neesham was content to stack the new club with players he knew in the local league, this smacks of arrogance, and ultimately, with the failures mounting, he was unable to re-create himself as a coach, and hence was devoid of alternative plans and options.

This all combines to make Neesham the worst coach in my opinion.

(at SANFL level the worst was Don Scott)

 

[Dan26]

Originally posted by Asgardian
Paul Feltham

Paul Feltham?

How does taking over a team on the bottom, and taking them to 5-2 in his ONLY 7 games as coach in 1989 equate to being a bad coach?

If anything, Bears fans were wondering why the higher ups didn't give him the job full-time in '90.

 

[sabre_ac]

Why is it port supporters that are first to attack neesham.
Of all the teams in the competition yours is the one to gain most from what he started.
Compare game plans Ie 95 dockers to the current Port game plan and you will see there very similar.
Ports game plan is merely another version of neeshams.

This alone would suggest he wasnt a bad coach.
He had an idea that local players will be loyal to the club, which though true was followed to precisely to.
His drafting was poor but apart from that the competition does have allot to thank him for.
Well at least the power