Worst list in the AFL at present?

[Obeanie1]

Really , hypotheticals ?

The.worst.list.in.the.AFL.right.now

Plenty of Freo vs WC shitfight threads around

Well right now the Eagles older cohort have lost fitness and form for several reasons across the past 2-3 seasons

Will any of them regain that fitness or form.

Sheed 27 - possibly
Yeo 29 - possibly
Gaff and Shuey 30 and 31 - less likely
Naitanui 31 - possibly but nowhere near his peak
Darling 30 - Id say yes he can
McGover 30 - impact injuries no major surgeries so likely
Hurn 34 - never lost form
Kelly 27 - yes just needs more support and a decent ruck playing.

Backline

Cole Barrass Duggan
Hunt McGovern Yeo

Bench: Hough

Emg defenders: H Edwards, Witherden, Foley, Rotham, J Jones, Basso, Chesser

Wont include Hurn as he will retire end of the year.

I wouldnt say that was the worst backline in the AFL RIGHT NOW or the worst list of defenders either.


Forwards

Ryan Allen J Jones
Cripps Darling (Shuey / Kelly / Hewett - rotation HFF/on ball/bench)

Emg forwards: Petrucelle, Waterman, J Williams Winder, Burgeil, Long

Better forward line than Freo and several others. Looks like we need to be targeting a forward or 2 in 2023 justto balance the numbers coiming through.

 

[AnEmptyChair]

although i'm super optmistic re the talent on our list, 90% of them are still unproven

the last 3 years we've been 17th, 18th, 18th, including one of the worst seasons of all time in 2022, so it's hard to go past us at this stage, but I'm also confident that will change by the end of 2023 as our talent gets more exposure and continues to develop

 

[MickG88]

we have the 4th youngest team in the comp? weird that you would lump us in with Saints who have one of the older lists.

10th oldest, alongside Port(11th) and West coast(9th)

Which AFL teams enter 2023 with the oldest and youngest lists?

See where your club ranks in age and experience for next season.

www.zerohanger.com

 

[Purple Suit]

Did the math a couple of posts ago mate.

The answer is 2

Freo lose two players say like Serong and Brayshaw like you did with Cerra and Freo's list doesnt look so good does it?

Old man Fyfe hangs up the boots and moves to full time modelling. Walter retires.

Things can change pretty quickly.

Nothing is as good or as bad as it seems in football. Thats the point.

Two players don’t make a list. Even without our two best midfielders we have 2 highly talented high draft pick mids to come in with Erasmus & Johnson.

Well right now the Eagles older cohort have lost fitness and form for several reasons across the past 2-3 seasons

Will any of them regain that fitness or form.

Sheed 27 - possibly
Yeo 29 - possibly
Gaff and Shuey 30 and 31 - less likely
Naitanui 31 - possibly but nowhere near his peak
Darling 30 - Id say yes he can
McGover 30 - impact injuries no major surgeries so likely
Hurn 34 - never lost form
Kelly 27 - yes just needs more support and a decent ruck playing.

Backline

Cole Barrass Duggan
Hunt McGovern Yeo

Bench: Hough

Emg defenders: H Edwards, Witherden, Foley, Rotham, J Jones, Basso, Chesser

Wont include Hurn as he will retire end of the year.

I wouldnt say that was the worst backline in the AFL RIGHT NOW or the worst list of defenders either.


Forwards

Ryan Allen J Jones
Cripps Darling (Shuey / Kelly / Hewett - rotation HFF/on ball/bench)

Emg forwards: Petrucelle, Waterman, J Williams Winder, Burgeil, Long

Better forward line than Freo and several others. Looks like we need to be targeting a forward or 2 in 2023 justto balance the numbers coiming through.

Laughable you think your forwardline is better. Cripps due to retire, Darling is Fyfe’s height & 30, Allen hasn’t played in 12 months, Ryan is cream who struggles without a cake.

No young talent coming through under 25 with any class and the rebuild hasn’t started there yet.

You haven’t won a game for 18 months without Kennedy. He is a huge loss. Junior also deliveres into the fwd 60 well and makes opportunities. It’s gotten a lot worse in 1 season.

 

[PrinceCharles]

Please enlighten us with your gun forwards who are 23 years old or younger, only three I can think of are King, King and Ugle Hagan. The test are in their prime and should be kicking 50 goals plus for there team or they're not good key forwards.

Gresham, Windhager, Battle, NWM, Mitchito, King, Paton, Clarke, Coffield, Sharman and Higgins are all 25 years and younger. Can you name 10 players from Geelong that are best 22 that are 25 and younger.

Love how you can't name a single best 22 under 23 for either Carlton or Collingwood, your argument is really strong.

We all can't be given an advantage each year to keep us in the top 8.

maybe worry about your clubs future, more than half your team are 30+ with very little talent coming through. Maybe Holmes and De Koening will be great but the rest look average.

Geelong just won a premiership...

 

[MickG88]

I did not say gun forwards under 23, but many teams have a young gun forward. McKay, Naughton, Fogarty, Allen, Larkey, Lewis, Marshall, B.King, Hipwood and there are others.

Hipwood 26
McKay 25
Larkey 25
Naughton 24
Forgarty 24
Allen 24
Lewis 24
Marshall 24
That's 6-8 years in the system and they will play roughly 15 years so that would be half their career already over but if you say they are young then...

I like how you make it 50 goals as the prerequisite in becoming a gun forward. King did this last year and is now averaging 1.8 goals per game throughout his career. But believe you me, the likes of Allen, Fogarty, Ugle-Hagan will get there too. Just will take more time is all.

I put ugle hagan in the category as a gun although he didn't kick 50 last season, the others probably won't make it as they have entered their prime and haven't shown very much as a key forward, second string sure but key, definetly not.

Gresham is good. As too Clarke but the others aren't anything much at this stage.

Windhager destroyed your midfield round 9 last year, mustn't of watched it or very much of him.
NWM, Windhager, Sharman and Michito are under 20.
You clearly have no knowledge about St Kilda and am claiming we are no good although you are ignorant about the state of our list.

You asked me about Geelong's younger players, I think De Koning (not De Koening) is quickly becoming the equal of Max King. In fact, De koning is starting to position himself in the same way Darcy Moore did at Collingwood.
Max Holmes would be the equal of any of your younger players. Jack Henry, Brad Close and Tyson Stengle are on the path to becoming elite. Stengle is probably there already after a fantastic 2022. We also added Ollie Henry to the list. A player who could really make significant inroads in 2023.

Stengle had one good season and many bad ones at Crows but already elite. You're delusional.
Ollie Henry is a third string forward, when you lose Hawkins and then Cameron he would be able to hold up your forward line by himself.
Close is good and might get there but I doubt it as small forwards either enter the AFL elite or they become serviceable small forwards.
Again De Koning and Holmes are you only really good young players.

 

[MickG88]

Geelong just won a premiership...

Great for them last year but going forward are they going to continue to have that level of success. Half there team are older than 30 and around 5 more of them are 28 and 29 More than 2/3rds of there list are older than 28. Only had one top 10 pick in the last 10 years. How much more trading can they do to keep replenshing their list. House of cards.
I have Brisbane, Melbourne, Collingwood, Carlton, Sydney, Bulldogs
and Gold Coast with a better list then Geelong. Only way they continue to finish top 4 is because they get to player home games on the ground they train on, huge advantage. No other team in the league gets to do that.

 

[bh90210fan]

Two players don’t make a list. Even without our two best midfielders we have 2 highly talented high draft pick mids to come in with Erasmus & Johnson.


Laughable you think your forwardline is better. Cripps due to retire, Darling is Fyfe’s height & 30, Allen hasn’t played in 12 months, Ryan is cream who struggles without a cake.

No young talent coming through under 25 with any class and the rebuild hasn’t started there yet.

You haven’t won a game for 18 months without Kennedy. He is a huge loss. Junior also deliveres into the fwd 60 well and makes opportunities. It’s gotten a lot worse in 1 season.

Johnson and Erasmus are highly talented already yet we don’t have any talent coming through under the age of 25. Righto.

Darling is Fyfes height. Interesting. Pretty sure he’s been dealing with that one for a while now.

Thought you’d have given up after you described us swapping pick 23 for picks 21, 26 and 38 - which netted us Allen, Ryan and Petrucelle as disastrous somehow.

 

[Purple Suit]

Johnson and Erasmus are highly talented already yet we don’t have any talent coming through under the age of 25. Righto.

Darling is Fyfes height. Interesting. Pretty sure he’s been dealing with that one for a while now.

Thought you’d have given up after you described us swapping pick 23 for picks 21, 26 and 38 - which netted us Allen, Ryan and Petrucelle as disastrous somehow.

I’m talking specifically about your forward line. You haven’t spent any draft capital on it in the past few years besides 2017 as you need midfielders & everything else.

2017 draft is the only good one you had for 6 years without judging the recent ones.

 

[bh90210fan]

I’m talking specifically about your forward line. You haven’t spent any draft capital on it in the past few years besides 2017 as you need midfielders & everything else.

2017 draft is the only good one you had for 6 years without judging the recent ones.

So what you’re saying is we invested in the forward line in 2017, which happened to be the only good draft we’ve had in the previous 6 years.

Might be why we haven’t spent any draft capital on it since.

 

[lewdogs]

10th oldest, alongside Port(11th) and West coast(9th)

Which AFL teams enter 2023 with the oldest and youngest lists?

See where your club ranks in age and experience for next season.

www.zerohanger.com

Wow... Hang on did you actually just find that information with, wait for it, a simple google search?! The mind boggles.

 

[PrinceCharles]

Great for them last year but going forward are they going to continue to have that level of success. Half there team are older than 30 and around 5 more of them are 28 and 29 More than 2/3rds of there list are older than 28. Only had one top 10 pick in the last 10 years. How much more trading can they do to keep replenshing their list. House of cards.
I have Brisbane, Melbourne, Collingwood, Carlton, Sydney, Bulldogs
and Gold Coast with a better list then Geelong. Only way they continue to finish top 4 is because they get to player home games on the ground they train on, huge advantage. No other team in the league gets to do that.

But this thread is about who has the worst list in the league.

 

[MickG88]

But this thread is about who has the worst list in the league.

In terms of young talent, Geelong has the worst list.

 

[Purple Suit]

So what you’re saying is we invested in the forward line in 2017, which happened to be the only good draft we’ve had in the previous 6 years.

Might be why we haven’t spent any draft capital on it since.

It was a good draft for you but you still botched your first pick. You didn’t spend any high picks on forwards in 2021/22. Therefore 3/4 of 1 in 8 drafts seems like not enough for maybe 1/4 of the squad if mids/rucks need more players than def/fwds.

 

[PrinceCharles]

In terms of young talent, Geelong has the worst list.

So start a new thread

 

[buttox]

Probably north before the season starts. Over the last 3 years we have been easily the worst.
I hope we improve but we have not proven anything yet.
I would prefer our list to WC and Hawks over the next few years but that's predicting the future which is a mugs game.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

I don't think we are in an era of really bad lists atm. Saints potentially in a tough window no man's land window but really nailed the last draft, another next year and they'll be golden.

 

[PrinceCharles]

I don't think we are in an era of really bad lists atm. Saints potentially in a tough window no man's land window but really nailed the last draft, another next year and they'll be golden.

People thought Carlton nailed the 2010 draft as well...

 

[Shadow89]

Gresham, Windhager, Battle, NWM, Mitchito, King, Paton, Clarke, Coffield, Sharman and Higgins are all 25 years and younger. Can you name 10 players from Geelong that are best 22 that are 25 and younger.

.

These players are all Best 22 (23 including sub), and 8 of them just played off in a flag.

Jack Bowes
Max Holmes
Mark O'Connor
Tyson Stengle
Brad Close
Zac Guthrie
Brandan Parfitt
Sam De Koning
Jack Henry
Gryan Miers

+

Ollie Henry
Tanner Bruhn
Esava Ratugolea
Shannon Neale

All likely to be emergencies and Best 22 by the time 2024 rocks around and most of our older crew have moved on.

Swing and a miss.

Not gonna respond to the other nonsense about us having no good youth seeing as we just won a flag and got 3 former first rounders in plus another gun first in Jhye Clark - but you continue thinking you're better than us and your list is better than us if that makes you feel better, lol.

 

[Obeanie1]

OTwo players don’t make a list. Even without our two best midfielders we have 2 highly talented high draft pick mids to come in with Erasmus & Johnson.


Laughable you think your forwardline is better. Cripps due to retire, Darling is Fyfe’s height & 30, Allen hasn’t played in 12 months, Ryan is cream who struggles without a cake.

No young talent coming through under 25 with any class and the rebuild hasn’t started there yet.

You haven’t won a game for 18 months without Kennedy. He is a huge loss. Junior also deliveres into the fwd 60 well and makes opportunities. It’s gotten a lot worse in 1 season.

We have 28 players under 25.

Only a troll or a dumb **** would say none have any class and the rebuild hasnt started there. Its been going for 2 drafts.

Stop posting mate you are looking like a tool.

28 players under 25. Just think about that for a minute before posting again. That close to 70% of the list under 25.

As for Darling being Fyfe's height? Who GAF. Darling would be Freo's best KP forward, if you had one as good Freo might get somewhere.

Looking forward to your next comedy post, we really are.

 

[Gavin Excell]

The folly of youth
Mature aged players is where it's at

 

[Gavin Excell]

Well right now the Eagles older cohort have lost fitness and form for several reasons across the past 2-3 seasons

Will any of them regain that fitness or form.

Sheed 27 - possibly
Yeo 29 - possibly
Gaff and Shuey 30 and 31 - less likely
Naitanui 31 - possibly but nowhere near his peak
Darling 30 - Id say yes he can
McGover 30 - impact injuries no major surgeries so likely
Hurn 34 - never lost form
Kelly 27 - yes just needs more support and a decent ruck playing.

Backline

Cole Barrass Duggan
Hunt McGovern Yeo

Bench: Hough

Emg defenders: H Edwards, Witherden, Foley, Rotham, J Jones, Basso, Chesser

Wont include Hurn as he will retire end of the year.

I wouldnt say that was the worst backline in the AFL RIGHT NOW or the worst list of defenders either.


Forwards

Ryan Allen J Jones
Cripps Darling (Shuey / Kelly / Hewett - rotation HFF/on ball/bench)

Emg forwards: Petrucelle, Waterman, J Williams Winder, Burgeil, Long

Better forward line than Freo and several others. Looks like we need to be targeting a forward or 2 in 2023 justto balance the numbers coiming through.

What happened to Yeo
Seems a shadow of the player once was

 

[Bradkli]

These players are all Best 22 (23 including sub), and 8 of them just played off in a flag.

Jack Bowes
Max Holmes
Mark O'Connor
Tyson Stengle
Brad Close
Zac Guthrie
Brandan Parfitt
Sam De Koning
Jack Henry
Gryan Miers

+

Ollie Henry
Tanner Bruhn
Esava Ratugolea
Shannon Neale

All likely to be emergencies and Best 22 by the time 2024 rocks around and most of our older crew have moved on.

Swing and a miss.

Not gonna respond to the other nonsense about us having no good youth seeing as we just won a flag and got 3 former first rounders in plus another gun first in Jhye Clark - but you continue thinking you're better than us and your list is better than us if that makes you feel better, lol.

Posted similar in another thread last week…

Geelong’s “cliff”’is simply not going to happen..your team next season will be stronger then the 2022 side.

Guys like bowes, bruhn & ollie Henry will be much better players than at their previous clubs playing in the Geelong team and system. All 3 will be best 22 by round 15.

-SDK is already an elite defender
-Holmes is bordering an elite wingman and will transition into a midfielder. He has the potential to be a top 10 mid in the league by the end of 2024.

• Stengle is already an elite small forward
• close, miers and z.Guthrie were all brilliant second half of last season.
• Henry is severely underrated. Can be one of the games best swingman.

The cats are a lock for top 4 and another prelim. The team to beat again in 2023.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Posted similar in another thread last week…

Geelong’s “cliff”’is simply not going to happen..your team next season will be stronger then the 2022 side.

Guys like bowes, bruhn & ollie Henry will be much better players than at their previous clubs playing in the Geelong team and system. All 3 will be best 22 by round 15.

-SDK is already an elite defender
-Holmes is bordering an elite wingman and will transition into a midfielder. He has the potential to be a top 10 mid in the league by the end of 2024.

• Stengle is already an elite small forward
• close, miers and z.Guthrie were all brilliant second half of last season.
• Henry is severely underrated. Can be one of the games best swingman.

The cats are a lock for top 4 and another prelim. The team to beat again in 2023.

A like for the fact as an opposition supporter you've recognised Z Guthrie.

Has the game sense and disposal to be a Mackie type. Bit from that level but came along leaps and bounds last year after a lot of patience shown by the club

 

[Warhorse]

Considering the list demographic I'd say yes. And with belief that the young players will continue moving forward with an upward trajectory.

It's been done to death, but Sam Mitchell and Mark McKenzie laid out a list rebuild plan and it's not currently factoring in multiple drafts from this point on. They are very happy with the current group and what it can achieve over the next 5-10 years. Of course that may depend on how they all perform in 2023 however.

That's fair. Still a fair chunk of the team needs to be found imo. Short on potential star midfielders - to many of the same type imo. Forwarding missing plenty of key pieces. Backline looks very good