Marc_Remillard
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- Jan 4, 2015
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Would love to see it happen but sadly it never will. Instead we're stuck with ******* AFLX
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Most of the time Victoria are too strong.
However, in this instance you could have a 2 game series as a temporary event to make it more commercially viable or even a 3 game series depending on interest.
One in Perth, one in the MCG. That way people have the chance to see most of the best play the best as a spectacle and being two games enough money and interest could be raised in terms of ticket revenue to justify somebody getting behind it regarding organisation.
How would you organise it?
I guess the states would have to play for a cup or prize. Call it the Whitten cup after Ted Whitten for example. Chance for players to chance their legacy, compete at higher level outside of finals to help their competitive juices
So a state would be entitled to challenge the holders of the cup like an Americas's Cup who could not refuse a challenge.
So for example most of the time Victoria hold the cup because there player quantity and quality is too strong. Maybe no state challenges Victoria. Just say like now WA challenges Victoria to the Cup and Victoria could not refuse the challenge.
So states do not waste peoples time if a state makes a challenge and they are not competitive it comes at a cost, they would face a penalty, serious penalty to rule out trivial challenges based on market forces,
Just say South Australia do not bother chlallenging as not strong enough.
WA challenge, given current strength decide to challenge and win it. Next year Victoria challenge WA to win it back and whether successful or not they are competitive. This might continue for a few years assuming eventually Victoria wins it back and WA strength wanes, relatively speaking, eventually and the Cup competition might become dormant for a while until the next state is prepared to take the gamble and challenge Victoria again!!
Yeah that could be biased, Gawn is a gun and really would not be a weakness for Victoria although NN may have the edge in the tap.
Gawn to Bont. versus NN to Fyfe/Cripps would be interesting.
Historically Victoria look weak in the backline and forward line. Danger could even play back or forward in a rep game, Bont as well.
Using technicalities to claim Hawkins who is NSW shows how desperate they would be!!
I like WAs prospective mix of older and new small forwards, with Walters and Cripps, Ryan and Cameron.
Agreed. Let the playerd take the gate and a % of TV contract negotiated. Would genuinely be upwards of a million bucks to get a jumper in the game. Players aren't saying no to that.I've come to the conclusion that SOO would work if the following cunning ploy was adopted.
1. Play the series during one of the 24 weeks of the year when no other football is played.
2. Pay the players really really seriously good money.
That's it honestly. For all the arguments about lack of interest and concerns over being injured, money talks, and if the price is right you will get the likes of Fyfe, Dangerfield and co willing to rock up.
What is needed is buy in from the AFL and a long term sponsor willing to come on board.
In terms of arguments over injuries honestly I think this is massively overplayed- if you do it during the JLT and offered good $$ most stars would have played at least one warm up game anyway, so you are just substituting the risk of injury in that game for the risk of injury in SOO. In the unlikely event of a LTI, just offer the club salary cap relief equal to that player's salary so they can hit up the free agency market.
Honestly it's become a nothing argument. It would be really easy to implement a long term successful SOO series, all that is needed is $$ and some leadership from the AFL.
Victoria has a better forward line
Ablett, Cameron, Martin, Greene, Lynch (whoever else you want) and De Goey is nuts.
Roll Gray, Parker and Boak through half forward for good measure.
Agreed. Let the playerd take the gate and a % of TV contract negotiated. Would genuinely be upwards of a million bucks to get a jumper in the game. Players aren't saying no to that.
It would be great, NRL SoO is amazing. So much passion there. If you don't think WA, SA and VIC could get the same home state parochialism, you're wrong. You only need to look at WA with it's sports teams in AFL, NBL, BBL, etc. They love it, and so do we.
2 things the AFL would need for it to succeed
1. An appropriate time of year so that both players and clubs buy into it.
2. The contest to be genuinely hard fought.
Fan engagement will come, people say they don't care but that's because the AFL players/clubs don't.
If WA was playing VIC (+ other states as example) in a match that actually meant something and players were having a genuine crack and pride in the jumper I would absolutely passionately support the Big V.
SoO works for the NRL because the NRL competition is so suburban. It would never work in the AFL because (a) the AFL competition is strong (b) SoO would effectively exclude players not from Vic, SA, and WA, (c) AFL Club supporters would not tolerate players from their teams being injured in a SoO competition
I think it might take some time, but as mentioned if there is genuine commitment then the fans will come.Also if us Vics don't get behind it I could guarantee us vs WA at Optus or us vs SA and the Adelaide oval would be sell outs.
Should be a 3 team SOO that rotates the loser out every year.
Same thing for NSW Queensland and Tassie
Most of the time Victoria are too strong.
However, in this instance you could have a 2 game series as a temporary event to make it more commercially viable or even a 3 game series depending on interest.
One in Perth, one in the MCG. That way people have the chance to see most of the best play the best as a spectacle and being two games enough money and interest could be raised in terms of ticket revenue to justify somebody getting behind it regarding organisation.
How would you organise it?
I guess the states would have to play for a cup or prize. Call it the Whitten cup after Ted Whitten for example. Chance for players to chance their legacy, compete at higher level outside of finals to help their competitive juices
So a state would be entitled to challenge the holders of the cup like an Americas's Cup who could not refuse a challenge.
So for example most of the time Victoria hold the cup because there player quantity and quality is too strong. Maybe no state challenges Victoria. Just say like now WA challenges Victoria to the Cup and Victoria could not refuse the challenge.
So states do not waste peoples time if a state makes a challenge and they are not competitive it comes at a cost, they would face a penalty, serious penalty to rule out trivial challenges based on market forces,
Just say South Australia do not bother chlallenging as not strong enough.
WA challenge, given current strength decide to challenge and win it. Next year Victoria challenge WA to win it back and whether successful or not they are competitive. This might continue for a few years assuming eventually Victoria wins it back and WA strength wanes, relatively speaking, eventually and the Cup competition might become dormant for a while until the next state is prepared to take the gamble and challenge Victoria again!!
WA has the better forward line.
Its not like Victoria are rolling around with Ablett snr, Lockett and Dunstall even though Dunstall was a queenslander!!!
What’s your point? I am old enough to remember the great SoO games between Vic and WA but that was before the competition went national and before it was truly professional. It will never work againAre you 15? SOO only started in the NRL because they took it from us
You said and I qoute "it would never work".
What’s your point? I am old enough to remember the great SoO games between Vic and WA but that was before the competition went national and before it was truly professional. It will never work again
WA and Vics definitely have the best two teams as far as SoO goes. Vics would win though.
No, just 3 brownlows and likely to be this years Coleman winner w/ De Goey, Greene & Gray......
What has brownlows got to do with best forwards???
Did Ablett snr win a brownlow?? Anyone with a brain knows who the better Ablett is let alone forward and he did not win a brownlow!!
Pumping up the Vic forwards is the moment are laughable, good players but hardly superstars in their prime!!
What the fu** are you talking about?
The games changed just a little bit from the early 90's....
Gary Ablett Jnr despite being 35 is averaging 20 touches and 2 goals a game. He will be the AA half forward.
Dustin Martin is 28, in his prime.
Robbie Gray is 31, a 4 x AA HFF, arguably in his prime.
Jeremy Cameron is 26 years old and will be the Coleman Medalist.
Jordan De Goey is 23 and is averaging similar goals per game to Darling..
Lynch is probably the weakest link of that forward line and despite having a ******* year is still averaging almost the same goals per game as Kennedy. Throw Danniher in there if he is fit...
My point is Victoria has the luxury of being able to play gun one-on-one players like Martin and Ablett forward because of their midfield depth.
Are you seriously arguing Dustin Martin, Gary Ablett Jnr, Jeremy Cameron and Jordan De Goey aren't superstars of the game?
Gary Ablett jnr is 35, Cameron, is still finding his feet, De Goey has some zip and is a burst player/leading forward and hardly takes a speckie, Daniher can't kick straight!!!, Gray is past his prime. Most can be defender\d/and or tagged out of it
Gary Ablett jnr is 35, Cameron, is still finding his feet, De Goey has some zip and is a burst player/leading forward and hardly takes a speckie, Daniher can't kick straight!!!, Gray is past his prime. Most can be defender\d/and or tagged out of it