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Impromptu said:
Why?

SC is the real deal and DT is my training ground
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Ha! Ha! :p

I like that analogy. I am playing Dream Team first time ever and I am doing reasonably well (in the top 10,000)

Murphy's Law though being that I will probably finish higher in DT than in SC when I am lucky to spend 15 minutes on DT a week! :D
 
Judd_Magic said:
Ha! Ha! :p

I like that analogy. I am playing Dream Team first time ever and I am doing reasonably well (in the top 10,000)

Murphy's Law though being that I will probably finish higher in DT than in SC when I am lucky to spend 15 minutes on DT a week! :D
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LOL

3,000+ in SC (18 trades left)
6,000+ in DT (14 trades left - did my trades already)

DT is good to see if you missed any cheap buys in SC. For example, Barham ran a muck in DT (120+) but only 70+ in SC. In this case, it is obvious Barham could be a good buy, but sometimes DT is good to find cheap rookies, who get clangers, but lots of possies.

DT is there for a purpose.....as training run for SC - seriously I already did my trade for DT..... As you can see, I obviously don't care about DT..:p
 
I'm another one who will use DT to muck around so I don't do anything stupid with my SC. Did a sideways trade of Harvey before price drop, he scored 131 this week. Made Goddard my captain instead of Ablett cost me about 100, but I don't really care :thumbsu:
 
Bender571 said:
I'm another one who will use DT to muck around so I don't do anything stupid with my SC. Did a sideways trade of Harvey before price drop, he scored 131 this week. Made Goddard my captain instead of Ablett cost me about 100, but I don't really care :thumbsu:
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LOL - when I feel the urge to trade in SC, I quickly trade in DT before I do something stupid in SC...lol

I really want to trade this week, but i know it will be silly - no value in any of my trades for Skipworth upwards or downwards....so won't trade

Thank you DT for stopping me trading in SC...LOL...
 

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Impromptu said:
I would consider:

Kornes, Priddis, Stanton in DT but never in SC - refer to my signature....
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I find it funny people say that about Kornes. Averaged 106,105,112 in SC for the previous 3 years to last year and hasn't missed a game in 5 years. Not suited to SC? BS!
 
BenjiXXX said:
I find it funny people say that about Kornes. Averaged 106,105,112 in SC for the previous 3 years to last year and hasn't missed a game in 5 years. Not suited to SC? BS!
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Based on your comment, I assume Kornes is in your SC team, seeing as at $500K or so, Kornes would be a bargain buy for a person with 100+ average in the last few years....

Don't get me wrong, Kornes is a gun player, but I wouldn't pick him in SC team....I was tempted to pick Kornes in my SC team due to his brother Cornes.. LOL

EDIT -your comment that Kornes has not missed a game in 5 years is quite irrelevant to your argument that Kornes is suited to SC. That just means he is injury free and regardless of whether he plays SC or DT, he doesn't get injured and you might pick Kornes on the basis he plays every game. Quite irrelevant to the debate of whether Kornes is suited to SC or DT.
 
he tags so can often sacrifices his own game, he is a clanger king, handballs to much..........Great player and will punch out some massive scores but he goes missing far to much and costed me many a league win last year with his lack of consistency.

Goodes up and running is a far better option for mine. I haven't looked at their prices or break evens but I'm guessing they would be similar.
 
Edit: [made less inflammatory opening sentence] - I prefer DT to SC because the scoring system is clearly ascertainable.

Whilst SC may have about 100 factors which determine the score which is then weighted and normalised, we just have far too little information to determine optimum scorers.

Combine this with inflated scores during 'critical' periods of the game and its really a crap shoot.

I've stacked my team full of players with good footskills and good at contested possessions and marks (and ranked about top 1000). However, this is just a random guess as to the efficacy of the system.

I have no doubt that someone with a more detailed knowledge of the scoring system of supercoach has a far superior chance of winning this game.

I also question the effectiveness of the game, where players are uncertain of the exact scoring system, and most don't even know about the 3300 normalisation.

Having said that I still enjoy participating in SC and it is free :)

Edit: How would I suggest improving the system?
1 word - transparency
Unlikely to happen, but important to me.
 
asanque said:
DT is far superior to SC.

Whilst SC may have about 100 factors which determine the score which is then weighted and normalised, we just have far too little information to determine optimum scorers.

Combine this with inflated scores during 'critical' periods of the game and its really a crap shoot.

I've stacked my team full of players with good footskills and good at contested possessions and marks (and ranked about top 1000). However, this is just a random guess as to the efficacy of the system.

I have no doubt that someone with a more detailed knowledge of the scoring system of supercoach has a far superior chance of winning this game.

I also question the effectiveness of the game, where players are uncertain of the exact scoring system, and most don't even know about the 3300 normalisation.

Having said that I still enjoy participating in SC and it is free :)

Edit: How would I suggest improving the system?
1 word - transparency
Unlikely to happen, but important to me.
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You've done it now asanque. This is like a mating call for the 'SC is rigged' crew.

Here they come...

rumble rumble rumble rumble rumble rumble
 
Clunk said:
You've done it now asanque. This is like a mating call for the 'SC is rigged' crew.

Here they come...

rumble rumble rumble rumble rumble rumble
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Heheh.

Let me make it clear, I'm not saying the system is rigged.

But where you have a system where the scoring is 'unclear', then that's where the conspiracy theories start :)
 

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One thing I dont understand is what they(champion data) believe constitutes a contested possession. Ex. Nathan Jones was listed as having 3 contested possessions on the weekend, if anyone saw the game they would know that practically every possession he got was contested.
It does not make sense.
 
This is the main reason I didn't pick him in SC this year. Last year he would shut down an opponent, pick up 30 touches, and be best on ground according to everyone at the game. And he would score 90 -100 SC points.
Someone doing the scoring must not like him much....
 
Superfluous said:
This is the main reason I didn't pick him in SC this year. Last year he would shut down an opponent, pick up 30 touches, and be best on ground according to everyone at the game. And he would score 90 -100 SC points.
Someone doing the scoring must not like him much....
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Clanger kicks + too many handballs = average score no matter how much you get it.
 
I think SC is by far the best fantasy AFL game going but also have doubts about some of the scoring. Did anybody else see the analysis of sweet little baby jesus performance on Saturday night in the Monday Herald Sun?

Q2: 2 kicks (1 effective) 11 Handballs (all effective) 2 uncontested marks 2 contested possessions and 11 uncontested possessions with 1 goal = 55 SC points

Q4: 5 kicks (all effective) 8 handballs (all effective) 2 uncontested marks 2 contested possessions and 11 uncontested possessions = 35 SC points

Kicks worth 2 more points than handballs in Q4 GABLETT has 3 more kicks than he did in Q2 +6 Q4

Goal is worth 8 points he had 1 more goal in Q2 than Q4 +8 to Q2

Innefective kick worth 0 effective kick worth 4 +4 to Q4

So Ablett should of scored 2 points more for Q4 than Q2 yet there is a massive 20 point gap to be explained.
 
You cannot look at it like DT. Why do people not understand this.

One thing you cannot see there is Marks from Opposition kicks. An uncontested mark keeping possession is 1 point. An uncontested from opposition is 4 IIRC.

Another stat. Long kicks vs. Short Kicks. Different points you cannot pick up just looking at stats

It is not DT people
 
Fair statement I should of realised that but they were the stats that the Herald gave and as such that was what I analyzed and got confused on.
 

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GmeUP said:
I think SC is by far the best fantasy AFL game going but also have doubts about some of the scoring. Did anybody else see the analysis of sweet little baby jesus performance on Saturday night in the Monday Herald Sun?

Q2: 2 kicks (1 effective) 11 Handballs (all effective) 2 uncontested marks 2 contested possessions and 11 uncontested possessions with 1 goal = 55 SC points

Q4: 5 kicks (all effective) 8 handballs (all effective) 2 uncontested marks 2 contested possessions and 11 uncontested possessions = 35 SC points

Kicks worth 2 more points than handballs in Q4 GABLETT has 3 more kicks than he did in Q2 +6 Q4

Goal is worth 8 points he had 1 more goal in Q2 than Q4 +8 to Q2

Innefective kick worth 0 effective kick worth 4 +4 to Q4

So Ablett should of scored 2 points more for Q4 than Q2 yet there is a massive 20 point gap to be explained.
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By Q4 the game was over and thus everything was scaled down.
 
Kornes is a clanger king, I hated having him last year, totally p1ssed me off! :mad:

Needless to say I didn't pick him this year. Impromptu is right, Kornes is a DT specialist as he can clanger it to the high heavens there and not affect his score.

I decided to try DT for the first time this year and surprise surprise I picked Kornes. :D
 
Judd_Magic said:
Kornes is a clanger king, I hated having him last year, totally p1ssed me off! :mad:

Needless to say I didn't pick him this year. Impromptu is right, Kornes is a DT specialist as he can clanger it to the high heavens there and not affect his score.

I decided to try DT for the first time this year and surprise surprise I picked Kornes. :D
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2005 - 106.3
2006 - 105.8
2007 - 112.3
2008 - 93.7

Thats an average over 4 years or 88 games of 104.5 without missing a game. Thats including all the clangers. I'll take those odds.
 
TBH I'd be happy if I could get an average of 100 from him, I reckon his average of 93.7 from 2008 had a lot to do with Port's overall performance, something which I do see them improving this year. Even if he disappoints I have a contingency side-swap plan for him, so not particularly worried, but hoping a don't have to result to such means.

The thing that I like about K.Cornes is he always gets like 25+ possessions, and from judging from his 92% efficiency last week I wouldn't be too surprised if he started pulling out some healthy 100+ scores soon.

I reckon personally reckon momentum points and timing of possessions may have had something to do with his score last week, but I seriously don't want to dwell too much on it, as I don't have a personal vendetta against the Champion Data ranking system. I would much rather primarily play SuperCoach 8 days a week even if there is some degree of ambiguity than the unrealistic game mechanics that are DT.
 
The 30 Spartans said:
TBH I'd be happy if I could get an average of 100 from him, I reckon his average of 93.7 from 2008 had a lot to do with Port's overall performance, something which I do see them improving this year. Even if he disappoints I have a contingency side-swap plan for him, so not particularly worried, but hoping a don't have to result to such means.

The thing that I like about K.Cornes is he always gets like 25+ possessions, and from judging from his 92% efficiency last week I wouldn't be too surprised if he started pulling out some healthy 100+ scores soon.

I reckon personally reckon momentum points and timing of possessions may have had something to do with his score last week, but I seriously don't want to dwell too much on it, as I don't have a personal vendetta against the Champion Data ranking system. I would much rather primarily play SuperCoach 8 days a week even if there is some degree of ambiguity than the unrealistic game mechanics that are DT.
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That is why i picked him at 500 i thought he was a fantastic pick up.
Averaged 112 in 07 and i thought he would go back to that.
But after tonight him picking up 37 Possies only 3 Clangas and 75 % efficiency and a score of 114 i was expecting 130 plus :thumbsd:
What does he have to do to get 150 60 Possies :confused:
Ill stick by him tho but i don't like the ride :(
 
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