Science/Environment Wuhan Coronavirus (COVID-19) - HCQ doesn't work - Part 3

[Chief]

This thread is continued in Part 4:

Science/Environment - Wuhan Coronavirus (COVID-19) - Part 4

This is part 3 of this thread. Part 2 is here: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/wuhan-coronavirus-covid-19-pandemic-declared-part-2.1238728/ --------------- It looks like it began in wild animals being sold for human consumption, and once again the consequences of this stupidity is...

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[Evolved1]

Both articles mention it here’s tweet that links to press conference where it was said

You should provide something more solid than a news.com.au link quoting 200 'whingers' who disagree with the national strategy if you want your questioning of official death stats in Sweden to be taken seriously.

Every man and his dog is looking to discredit Sweden, so it shouldn't be difficult to find evidence of death number fudging if it's happening.

 

[Evolved1]

He lives in Australia now but was originally from Croatia (where he got it). Came out here after the Croatian war of independence. He reckons the current restrictions are a duck walk compared to what he endured during the war. Spent 10 weeks in a bunker with 12 others, without adequate food or water and a bucket in the corner for a toilet. The shelling of his village was relentless. Anyway, I guess there’s some perspective for those finding it hard to deal with our current situation.

I don't see much value in that comparison.

If 10 year old kids used to work in coalmines, why should they complain when they're now expected to make nike shoes?

Thinking we're at war with a virus is on the same level of thinking as the war on terror.

Letting those who think it's war bunker down while everyone else gets on with life would have been a far more sensible approach. People will naturally look to isolate and mitigate risk during a pandemic, but we've gone overboard.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Tougher restrictions imposed in England amid rising COVID-19 infections

London: Britain has imposed tougher restrictions on people and businesses in parts of north-eastern England as the nation attempts to stem the spread of COVID-19 before the colder winter months.

Health Secretary Matt Hancock told the House of Commons that the new measures would include a ban on residents socialising with people outside their own households, ordering leisure and entertainment venues to close from 10pm to 5am and restricting bars and restaurants to table service only.

Tougher restrictions imposed in England amid rising COVID-19 infections

Britain has imposed tougher restrictions on people and businesses in parts of north-eastern England as the nation attempts to stem the spread of COVID-19.

www.theage.com.au

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Some good perspective here...

Melbourne is not a city in revolt. The truth is far more incredible (and far more boring) - The Shot

No one needs to sensationalise what life is really like here

theshot.net.au

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

You should provide something more solid than a news.com.au link quoting 200 'whingers' who disagree with the national strategy if you want your questioning of official death stats in Sweden to be taken seriously.

Every man and his dog is looking to discredit Sweden, so it shouldn't be difficult to find evidence of death number fudging if it's happening.

That report by 200 scientists and health professionals was quoted in many publications...google it.

Yet you’re happy to nod to others in here who quote articles from same single sources. Plus the comment on Tegnell and how he stopped reporting data from schools I provided another link directly to his presser where he said it.

 

[Brad Goodman]

Possibly everything that has happened in the past six months has been an overreaction:

*widespread lockdowns
*widespread sooking about lockdowns
*thinking Mason Cox’s AFL career was over

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Some good perspective here...

Melbourne is not a city in revolt. The truth is far more incredible (and far more boring) - The Shot

No one needs to sensationalise what life is really like here

theshot.net.au

Maybe some rainbows and unicorns here? It seems to say, soon it will all be over and life will go back to BC. What happens when the next wave hits?

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Maybe some rainbows and unicorns here? It seems to say, soon it will all be over and life will go back to BC. What happens when the next wave hits?

I have seen some articles predicting a third wave (some say it is inevitable) but most say it will be controllable much more so than the two previous waves

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Maybe some rainbows and unicorns here? It seems to say, soon it will all be over and life will go back to BC. What happens when the next wave hits?

It’s simply stating if we keep course restrictions will ease in coming weeks, what’s so surprising about that. We can enjoy a beer maybe like they have been doing interstate for a few months now...cafes and restaurants opening, going to sporting events.

 

[Crankyhawk]

You're forgetting that the covid situation in China was known about well in advance. If our state and federal governments were caught completely off guard, that speaks volumes.

I'll go back to using a hack with no expertise in this area as a benchmark, that being myself. I honestly think I could have done better. You be the judge.

I'd be on the phone to security consultants, psychologists, civil rights lawyers, my CHO, virologists, and epidemiologists for advice. If I didn't have time to do that, I'd delegate. If there still wasn't time, cancel/delay all inbound international flights for 24 hours or however long is necessary.

Organise a webex meeting with all of the experts mentioned above (if possible) or improvise to communicate with each of those experts when they're available. Then I'd organise for a risk assessment to be performed and signed off according to regular SOP.

Once that's done, the hotel quarantine is ready to go. From there, I'd find a department head to oversee the project and hold them accountable, have the hotel quarantine independently audited using frequent and random onsite visits, and rejig the plan based on feedback from audits.

It didn’t help that China and WHO didn’t really make information available until late. Agree earlier international border closures would have been the way, but they needed to shut every country not just China (our first wave a lot came from USA if I recall)

 

[mcnulty]

I agree with your comment that in the early stages of a pandemic there is a need to consider contingencies. So I am not overly critical of these ICU beds being set up and not used. But I am very critical of governments ignoring evidence that has developed since the early days of the pandemic.

Victoria’s second wave was completely different from its first. Far more numbers, far more rapid spread of infection and hospitalisations. This makes you point rather moot.

 

[Chief]

Probably feels pressured to as UK television media is extremely left-wing and would harass him relentlessly for it. Remember the big deal made about 100,000 tests by a certain date, such that the government put all its efforts in April into reaching that target for one or two days.

So journalists aren’t allowed to pressure a government over one of their promises?

Poor Boris had to lie and include tests sent out but not taken - including a huge percentage of unusable test kits - and counting a throat and nose test on the same person as two tests?

Poor, poor Boris.

 

[MrKK]

I have seen some articles predicting a third wave (some say it is inevitable) but most say it will be controllable much more so than the two previous waves

Simple formula:
Number of "waves" = number of lockdowns + 1

Utterly futile to try and eradicate a virus with rolling lockdowns. All you do is suppress the spread until you lift the lockdown, like everywhere in Europe is now demonstrating.

 

[Chief]

Simple formula:
Number of "waves" = number of lockdowns + 1

Utterly futile to try and eradicate a virus with rolling lockdowns. All you do is suppress the spread until you lift the lockdown, like everywhere in Europe is now demonstrating.

Good news is fewer deaths this time.

 

[PP34]

It’s simply stating if we keep course restrictions will ease in coming weeks, what’s so surprising about that. We can enjoy a beer maybe like they have been doing interstate for a few months now...cafes and restaurants opening, going to sporting events.

If there’s anything left with five people in a venue. Sounds fantastic.....

 

[mcnulty]

Simple formula:
Number of "waves" = number of lockdowns + 1

Utterly futile to try and eradicate a virus with rolling lockdowns. All you do is suppress the spread until you lift the lockdown, like everywhere in Europe is now demonstrating.

You live in a State where that’s not happening...

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

If there’s anything left with five people in a venue. Sounds fantastic.....

Well to start with...what about summer? You don’t want to live like they currently are at the moment interstate?

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Utterly futile to try and eradicate a virus with rolling lockdowns. All you do is suppress the spread until you lift the lockdown

Tell that to other states..how many months now without a second wave?

 

[dont bowl there]

Tell that to other states..how many months now without a second wave?

Did WA or SA have a first wave? I would argue that if something were to happen in those states and the virus got hold in the community it would be their first wave of the virus.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Did WA or SA have a first wave? I would argue that if something were to happen in those states and the virus got hold in the community it would be their first wave of the virus.

Ok so first wave ...so as stated previously waves are not necessarily inevitable as some will have you believe if some form of restrictions are applied such as quarantine and some form of social distancing.

 

[dont bowl there]

Ok so first wave ...so as stated previously waves are not necessarily inevitable as some will have you believe if some form of restrictions are applied such as quarantine and some form of social distancing.

Hopefully you are right and they can keep it out forever.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Experts expect 14-day average to drop below reopening range next week

New coronavirus infections are slowing to such an extent in Melbourne that the city’s 14-day average for new cases is predicted to be in the 20s in about 10 days.

The crucial 14-day average for metropolitan Melbourne dropped to 44.4 on Thursday, Department of Health and Human Services data shows, within the 30-50 range for the city to meet its next reopening target later this month.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Tell that to other states..how many months now without a second wave?

It's still a first wave. Europe is still experiencing a first wave. Second wave is due to mutations of the virus.

 

[CatFan79]

Dan Andrews' only possible scientific explanation as to why masks are so crucial when outside walking alone, yet aren't required sitting indoors 1.5 metres away from others in a room of 30 people for an hour and a half...



Most countries use common sense when it comes to mask rules... Not Dip-s**t Dan.

 

[CD Xbow]

Who here knows someone who had covid 19 and was in hospital?

I know 4 people with Covid19, 3 required hospitalization and one of those died (in his 50's).
But folks here tell me it's a hoax.