Science/Environment Wuhan Coronavirus (COVID-19) - HCQ doesn't work - Part 3

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Science/Environment - Wuhan Coronavirus (COVID-19) - Part 4

This is part 3 of this thread. Part 2 is here: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/wuhan-coronavirus-covid-19-pandemic-declared-part-2.1238728/ --------------- It looks like it began in wild animals being sold for human consumption, and once again the consequences of this stupidity is...

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[Frank Bunn]

No surprise with UK, Italy and Belgium when you take into account pop density and movement (incl Spain). Sweden shouldn’t be anywhere near. Same as France and a fifth of Germany..terrible for Sweden, a failure by any other standards. Plus their test rates were also terrible considering number of infections ...maybe deliberately, who knows.

Test rates and 'infections' are irrelevant. The BBC had big headlines that Ronaldo 'recovered from Coronavirus'. He was never sick.

Why did you ignore what I posted that deaths in Sweden for Covid-19 are insignificant compared to countries that are have imposed and now imposing new lockdowns?

 

[ExcitementMachine]

No surprise with UK, Italy and Belgium when you take into account pop density and movement (incl Spain). Sweden shouldn’t be anywhere near. Same as France and a fifth of Germany..terrible for Sweden, a failure by any other standards. Plus their test rates were also terrible considering number of infections ...maybe deliberately, who knows.

That's from a health perspective, economically, socially, they've faired better than the rest of Europe. I'm not advocating their approach - but you can't draw a conclusion based on health outcomes alone.

 

[mcnulty]

Test rates and 'infections' are irrelevant. The BBC had big headlines that Ronaldo 'recovered from Coronavirus'. He was never sick.

They are extremely relevant. Ronaldo might not have been sick, but he might well have passed it on to someone who became very sick. Particularly if he didn’t know he had the virus. This is precisely what makes this disease so insidious, and precisely why testing rates are so important.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

That's from a health perspective, economically, socially, they've faired better than the rest of Europe. I'm not advocating their approach - but you can't draw a conclusion based on health outcomes alone.

Compared to their neighbours they have not fared better economically, it’s been debated here many times.

 

[Frank Bunn]

They are extremely relevant. Ronaldo might not have been sick, but he might well have passed it on to someone who became very sick. Particularly if he didn’t know he had the virus. This is precisely what makes this disease so insidious, and precisely why testing rates are so important.

Up to 50% of flu infections are asymptomatic. We don't lose our minds every flu season.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Sweden’s constitution decides its exceptional Covid-19 policy | VOX, CEPR Policy Portal

The Swedish policy response to Covid-19 is exceptional by international comparison. This column explains how the approach is decided by three articles in the Swedish constitution. The first guarantees the freedom of movement for Swedish citizens, ruling out nationwide lockdowns. The second...

voxeu.org

He could have ‘recommended’ more restrictions but didn’t. Quarantine could have been ‘recommended’. Their legal system has clearly failed their elderly.

 

[Evolved1]

Spain, UK, Belgium, Italy have more deaths per 100k than Sweden. France has about the same. Each one of these countries, and most other European countries, have had a large recent spike in Covid-19 deaths. Sweden has not.

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Deaths lag infections. I've used my time machine and I can tell you what the future charts look like.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Dan Andrews been asked to join an emergency zoom meeting with World Leaders on how to combat the second wave.

No rest and no beers for Dan.

 

[Evolved1]

He could have ‘recommended’ more restrictions but didn’t. Quarantine could have been ‘recommended’. Their legal system has clearly failed their elderly.

How many Western nations haven't failed in some respects? NZ seem to have come out relatively unscathed so far, but I can't think of any others.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

BBC World News
Covid: Melbourne's hard-won success after a marathon lockdown

Melbourne's grinding second coronavirus lockdown began in the chill of winter.

In early July, the nights were long and dark, and Australia's cultural capital was confronting the terrifying reality of another deadly wave of infections.

More than 110 days later, experts say it is emerging as a world leader in disease suppression alongside places including Singapore, Vietnam, South Korea, New Zealand and Hong Kong.

 

[mcnulty]

Up to 50% of flu infections are asymptomatic. We don't lose our minds every flu season.

Again with the flu...for the zillionth time, this is not the flu.

You want avoid lockdowns and heavy restrictions, fine. Test heavily and have a rigorous contact tracing system.

 

[Frank Bunn]

Again with the flu...for the zillionth time, this is not the flu.

What you said.

Ronaldo might not have been sick, but he might well have passed it on to someone who became very sick. Particularly if he didn’t know he had the virus. This is precisely what makes this disease so insidious, and precisely why testing rates are so important.​

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What I said.

Up to 50% of flu infections are asymptomatic.​

 

[mcnulty]

What you said.

Ronaldo might not have been sick, but he might well have passed it on to someone who became very sick. Particularly if he didn’t know he had the virus. This is precisely what makes this disease so insidious, and precisely why testing rates are so important.​

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What I said.

Up to 50% of flu infections are asymptomatic.​

So you don't you don't yet understand why health authorities around the world are approaching this differently from the flu?

 

[Frank Bunn]

Deaths lag infections. I've used my time machine and I can tell you what the future charts look like.


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I am surprised that Sweden's deaths have not gone up due to the normal seasonal increase for respiratory viruses.

 

[mcnulty]

Tegnell yesterday:

"We're beginning to approach the ceiling for what the healthcare system can handle,"

But they're a smart country, who appear to be learning the lessons of what went wrong the first time, including testing rates (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1133055/weekly-number-of-coronavirus-tests-in-sweden/). There will be a rise, but hopefully they can keep fatalities relatively low.

 

[Bradesmaen]

That's from a health perspective, economically, socially, they've faired better than the rest of Europe. I'm not advocating their approach - but you can't draw a conclusion based on health outcomes alone.

No they haven't. They faired worse than their neighbours if not the same. Please don't listen to sorted and his lack of facts.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Deaths lag infections. I've used my time machine and I can tell you what the future charts look like.


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They have had an infection spike in Sweden without deaths (would have expected deaths to increase by now).

 

[Frank Bunn]

So you don't you don't yet understand why health authorities around the world are approaching this differently from the flu?

Some of it is evidence based, some of it seems to be political, some based on poor data and modelling.

AFAIK we have never maintained counts of flu cases that are asymptomatic and used that to base public policy for lockdowns, masks etc.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

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Today's 1 case could be reclassified to a Zero

 

[mcnulty]

Some of it is evidence based, some of it seems to be political, some based on poor data and modelling.

AFIIK we have never maintained counts of flu cases that are asymptomatic and used that to base public policy for lockdowns, masks etc.

No nation as far as I’m aware is taking the view testing rates are irrelevant.

“It's crucial of course to help treat, isolate or hospitalize people who are infected. Testing also is important in the bigger public health picture on mitigation efforts, helping investigators characterize the prevalence, spread and contagiousness of the disease.”

COVID-19 science: Why testing is so important

When a communicable disease outbreak begins, the ideal response is for public health officials to begin testing for it early. American Heart Association Chief Medical Officer for Prevention Dr. Eduardo Sanchez explains why.

www.heart.org

 

[Clems Knee]

What you said.

Ronaldo might not have been sick, but he might well have passed it on to someone who became very sick. Particularly if he didn’t know he had the virus. This is precisely what makes this disease so insidious, and precisely why testing rates are so important.​

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What I said.

Up to 50% of flu infections are asymptomatic.​

You’ve missed the “we don’t lose our minds every flu season”, which justifies their comment.

 

[Deliverance]

That's from a health perspective, economically, socially, they've faired better than the rest of Europe. I'm not advocating their approach - but you can't draw a conclusion based on health outcomes alone.

In terms of health outcomes you also need to consider lost education, DV spikes, mental health and self harm increases, decreased cancer screening etc. caused by lockdown.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Dan Andrews been asked to join an emergency zoom meeting with World Leaders on how to combat the second wave.

No rest and no beers for Dan.

"Slap masks on 'em, impose a curfew, lock 'em down 23 hours a day for 4 months, close everything, including your ears. "




"By the way I can recommend a reliable security company to help out at your quarantine hotels..."

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[Evolved1]

"Slap masks on 'em, impose a curfew, lock 'em down 23 hours a day for 4 months, close everything, including your ears. "

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"By the way I can recommend a reliable security company to help out at your quarantine hotels..."

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Have you considered a career in politics? If you can feign empathy, you'd probably get 50% of the vote in Melbourne.