Covid-19 Wuhan Coronavirus (COVID-19) - Part 4 - Ivermectin doesn't work either.

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Sweden reports record number of daily coronavirus deaths
Sweden, whose unorthodox pandemic strategy placed it in the global spotlight, reported a record number of Covid-19 deaths for a single day on Thursday, taking the total toll above 10,000, although new infections appear to be easing.
The country of 10 million inhabitants registered 351 more deaths since Wednesday, statistics from the public health agency showed, and reported 6,580 new coronavirus cases, with the daily number trending lower since late December.
Some 10,185 people have now died in Sweden from Covid-19 since the pandemic began, it said.
The latest number of deaths are likely to have occurred over several days and weeks, with many from the Christmas period being registered with a significant delay.
Public health agency official Karin Tegmark Wisell told a news conference that while the number of new cases showed some signs of having plateaued, the death toll would continue to mount.

Authorities said that the situation was still strained in the healthcare system around the country with a few exceptions where there has been an improvement.
Around 20% of available intensive care beds are free, though the situation varies in different regions.
The death rate per capita in Sweden, which avoided harsh lockdowns, is several times higher than that of its Nordic neighbours but lower than several European countries that opted for lockdowns.
Not a record number of 'daily deaths' since the article states they occurred over many prior days. There was a discussion on the GD thread the other day that Sweden still has a huge backlog of death reporting from the Christmas period.

I also like the emotive 'death toll would continue to mount'. Well, it's hardly going to go down is it?
When we have community transmission here (inevitable unless the international arrival quarantine remains forever) our death toll will also 'continue to mount'.
 

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Not a record number of 'daily deaths' since the article states they occurred over many prior days. There was a discussion on the GD thread the other day that Sweden still has a huge backlog of death reporting from the Christmas period.

I also like the emotive 'death toll would continue to mount'. Well, it's hardly going to go down is it?
When we have community transmission here (inevitable unless the international arrival quarantine remains forever) our death toll will also 'continue to mount'.

And those numbers will be adjusted accordingly on the day of death(s), you will see the number will surpass the previous high easily. Actually it already surpassed the previous high on this wave compared to the previous one but i bet it will make new highs again.
 
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I also like the emotive 'death toll would continue to mount'. Well, it's hardly going to go down is it?

We were told by several posters in this thread (and no doubt elsewhere) that Sweden’s approach gave them a level of immunity such that we would see no such second wave of fatalities.
 
We were told by several posters in this thread (and no doubt elsewhere) that Sweden’s approach gave them a level of immunity such that we would see no such second wave of fatalities.

What's your point?

Are you judging epidemiology according to your brand of politics?
 
Wtf are you on about this time?

You appear to be sitting in judgement of Sweden and I want to know your basis for this premise.

Is it by weight of tabloid articles?
 
You appear to be sitting in judgement of Sweden and I want to know your basis for this premise.

Is it by weight of tabloid articles?
I’ll try to explain it in terms you might understand- Sweden dun crap.
 
We were told by several posters in this thread (and no doubt elsewhere) that Sweden’s approach gave them a level of immunity such that we would see no such second wave of fatalities.
We were told by many more posters that their no-lockdown strategy was disastrous. If that were the case then their death rates should be off the charts compared to their usual winter outcomes, and relatively worse than lockdown countries in Europe. Not the case at all.
 
We were told by many more posters that their no-lockdown strategy was disastrous. If that were the case then their death rates should be off the charts compared to their usual winter outcomes, and relatively worse than lockdown countries in Europe. Not the case at all.
It’s far worse than comparable Nordic counties. It was then and it is now.
 

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We were told by many more posters that their no-lockdown strategy was disastrous. If that were the case then their death rates should be off the charts compared to their usual winter outcomes, and relatively worse than lockdown countries in Europe. Not the case at all.

Is it possible that being sandwiched between lockdown nations Norway and Finland, and Denmark to the south of them (connected by a huge bridge linking Copenhagen and Malmo) protected them somewhat?
 
Is it possible that being sandwiched between lockdown nations Norway and Finland, and Denmark to the south of them (connected by a huge bridge linking Copenhagen and Malmo) protected them somewhat?

Explain "somewhat"?

Did international flights cease entering the country?

It's a mindbogglingly complex scenario GS, and I would advise against giving too much respect to political epidemiology bingo.
 
We were told by many more posters that their no-lockdown strategy was disastrous. If that were the case then their death rates should be off the charts compared to their usual winter outcomes, and relatively worse than lockdown countries in Europe. Not the case at all.

Norway 500 deaths, Sweden 10,500! yeah ok...not much between them at all.
 
Is it possible that being sandwiched between lockdown nations Norway and Finland, and Denmark to the south of them (connected by a huge bridge linking Copenhagen and Malmo) protected them somewhat?
That is really clutching at straws to support the 'would've been better with lockdown' strategy. Why did the other European lockdown countries not protect their neighbours?

The other Scandinavian countries are outliers compared to all of Europe, not just Sweden. Worth investigating to try and work out why, if people would ever get past their assumptions that it must be due to llockdown.Why is Denmark only ever compared to Sweden, not Germany?
 
That is really clutching at straws to support the 'would've been better with lockdown' strategy. Why did the other European lockdown countries not protect their neighbours?

The other Scandinavian countries are outliers compared to all of Europe, not just Sweden. Worth investigating to try and work out why, if people would ever get past their assumptions that it must be due to llockdown.Why is Denmark only ever compared to Sweden, not Germany?


If a neighboring nation is undergoing lock down then it is going to have some effect on viral transmissions.

The question is whether it's the best choice to make.

The actual numbers for this pandemic have been so distorted and politically shoehorned that they cease to have any significant meaning,
 
That is really clutching at straws to support the 'would've been better with lockdown' strategy. Why did the other European lockdown countries not protect their neighbours?

The other Scandinavian countries are outliers compared to all of Europe, not just Sweden. Worth investigating to try and work out why, if people would ever get past their assumptions that it must be due to llockdown.Why is Denmark only ever compared to Sweden, not Germany?

Germany has 8 times (according to EU report) the air and road traffic compared to Sweden, all major roads from East to West Europe run via Germany to London, it's also a hub for some of the biggest airlines within Europe. It's by no way comparable to the Scandinavian nations.
 
Explain "somewhat"?

Did international flights cease entering the country?

It's a mindbogglingly complex scenario GS, and I would advise against giving too much respect to political epidemiology bingo.

Yeah, they had restricted non-essential travel from March 17th 2020 (St Patricks Day!!) to March 31st 2021


On March 17th the Swedish Government decided to restrict non-essential travels to Sweden across an external border, meaning from other countries than the EU/EEA, except Switzerland and other select countries.

The decision is currently in effect until March 31st 2021.

The whole idea behind 'herd immunity' is to protect the vulnerable (Sweden as it might have worked on an international level, the elderly on a national one) and ensuring they are surrounded by those who are less susceptible (lockdown nations/health care workers and first responders) so that the virus has less avenues of intrusion, or 'vectors'.

Isn't that right?
 
That is really clutching at straws to support the 'would've been better with lockdown' strategy. Why did the other European lockdown countries not protect their neighbours?

The other Scandinavian countries are outliers compared to all of Europe, not just Sweden. Worth investigating to try and work out why, if people would ever get past their assumptions that it must be due to llockdown.Why is Denmark only ever compared to Sweden, not Germany?

It's definitely worth investigating. Whatever Sweden gets right should be made known to all. Similarly what they get wrong should as well, so other nations can learn from it.
 
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