Covid-19 Wuhan Coronavirus (COVID-19) - Part 5 - Get vaccinated.

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https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infec...d-19-vaccination-case-surveillance-051121.pdf

In the peak fortnight of the outbreak to date (25 August to 7 September), the COVID-19 case rate among 2-dose vaccinated people was 49.5 per 100,000 while in unvaccinated people it was 561 per 100,000, a more than 10-fold difference. The rates of COVID-19 ICU admissions or deaths peaked in the fortnight 8 September to 21 September at 0.9 per 100,000 in 2-dose vaccinated people compared to 15.6 per 100,000 in unvaccinated people, a greater than 16-fold difference.
 
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Russia had the codes..
Irrelevant, if the Ukraine kept the missiles and had physical access they would be able to reprogram the missiles. They gave up the missiles with an agreement for protection by Russia and 'the West'. Russia, as is usual, has broken another agreement and invaded.
 

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It means you don't wear a seat belt to stop you crashing.

People misunderstanding the purpose of vaccines, doesn't mean vaccines aren't doing what they're supposed to do.

I think most think that vaccines will help stop you getting whatever disease/virus it's designed for, that might be where the confusion lies.
 

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I think most think that vaccines will help stop you getting whatever disease/virus it's designed for, that might be where the confusion lies.

Most people would be wrong then. They also misunderstand the meaning of the word immunity in a medical setting.

It's not an invulnerability shield like in a video game. It's all about inducing an immune response from your body.

That's why a number of official sources have been updated since the pandemic begun, not because it's some kind of conspiracy (we already had multi-dose vaccines, we already had vaccines that didn't provide complete protection from ever getting sick) but because people misunderstood what vaccines were intended to achieve.

The vaccines all induce an effective immune response, and also pretty much stopped the OG strain of COVID-19 from spreading, it's since mutated so they don't achieve that, but they do still achieve their primary goal which is to induce an immune response from your body such that if you're exposed to the virus you have a significantly reduced chance of severe illness or death.


Immunisation works by triggering the immune system to fight against certain diseases. If a vaccinated person comes in contact with these diseases, their immune system is able to respond more effectively. This either prevents the disease from developing or reduces the severity.


The vaccine is therefore a safe and clever way to produce an immune response in the body, without causing illness.


Vaccines greatly reduce the risk of infection by working with the body’s natural defenses to safely develop immunity to disease.
 
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Well i knew this guy who got hit by a car and died , and he was immunised ( like nearly everyone ) so clearly the Injection makes you get hit by cars.



is kind of the dumb reaction we see.
You see, I know a guy who was taking Ivermectin, and as far as I know he didn't get hit by any cars. Makes ya think, doesn't it.
 

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You see, I know a guy who was taking Ivermectin, and as far as I know he didn't get hit by any cars. Makes ya think, doesn't it.

What happens if you take Ivermectin AND get vaccinated? Has anyone done it or is it only people who have an illogical stand against vaccines who take Ivermectin? Surely someone with worms has. ( A family member actually got a worm infestation, i was kind of disappointed when the doctor didn't prescribe Ivermectin ).
 

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Most people would be wrong then. They also misunderstanding the meaning of the word immunity in a medical setting.

It's not an invulnerability shield like in a video game. It's all about inducing an immune response from your body.

That's why a number of official sources have been updated since the pandemic begun, not because it's some kind of conspiracy (we already had multi-dose vaccines, we already had vaccines that didn't provide complete protection from ever getting sick) but because people misunderstood what vaccines were intended to achieve.

The vaccines all induce an effective immune response, and also pretty much stopped the OG strain of COVID-19 from spreading, it's since mutated so they don't achieve that, but they do still achieve their primary goal which is to induce an immune response from your body such that if you're exposed to the virus you have a significantly reduced chance of severe illness or death.









To be fair regarding the wrongness of most people, there's been a definitional alteration and blurring of viruses and their corresponding disease.
 

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To be fair regarding the wrongness of most people, there's been a definitional alteration and blurring of viruses and their corresponding disease.

When you've got the media breathlessly reporting to generate clicks, they're not exactly going to check the proper language with the science and medical community first.
 

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When you've got the media breathlessly reporting to generate clicks, they're not exactly going to check the proper language with the science and medical community first.
It's not just the media - the official reported numbers have seen a changed definition. Only China has kept to traditional definitions and have not included asymptomatic as covid cases and reported them separately. I think the change was the right way to go, but it hasn't really been explained very well to a society that view the viruses and diseases as the same thing and viewed vaccines as offering a shield from the virus.
 

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They do to a small extent though. Think the stats showed that. But to my layman's brain, that might be just keeping the viral load to such a low level as to be undetectable.
Vaccines cant reduce instances of the virus entering your body and attempting to replicate and spread within your body. Just as many vaccinated have this occur as unvaxed.

The stats showed that with the older strains that the vaccines dramatically reduced the likelihood of the virus spreading enough to be detected by a PCR test - minor reduction of this with Omicron.

Basically we've seen a layman's definitional change whereby you have the disease when you have detectable amounts of the virus in your system, rather than when you get sick, which was always the marker in the past when we weren't as good at detecting the virus and didn't routinely test asymptomatic people either.

The difference between HIV and Aids is widely known, but it's the same with the viruses that cause illness much more quickly, which is less well known.
 
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From midnight this morning, the masks are gone in South Australia, required only in settings like public transport, hospitals and nursing homes (from July last year they had been required in all public indoor places).

About time. You won't catch me wearing one unless I have to.
 

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From midnight this morning, the masks are gone in South Australia, required only in settings like public transport, hospitals and nursing homes (from July last year they had been required in all public indoor places).

About time. You won't catch me wearing one unless I have to.
I wore one to the chemist when I had a virus, but otherwise agree. I see no use for them when you're well, and generally people should stay home when sick.
 

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I wore one to the chemist when I had a virus, but otherwise agree. I see no use for them when you're well, and generally people should stay home when sick.
I was all for masks and lockdowns when vaccination rates were low, and the omicron variant had not emerged, and there was a realistic chance of keeping the virus out. But now that most of us are triple-vaccinated, the latest variants are milder, and there is no hope of stopping it, masks and lockdowns are ideas whose time has come and gone. That's enough. I'm not covering up my face forever.
 

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I was all for masks and lockdowns when vaccination rates were low, and the omicron variant had not emerged, and there was a realistic chance of keeping the virus out. But now that most of us are triple-vaccinated, the latest variants are milder, and there is no hope of stopping it, masks and lockdowns are ideas whose time has come and gone. That's enough. I'm not covering up my face forever.
Yeah RJ, there comes a time when it does break you down, not to mention getting fed up with the inability to communicate really effectively wearing a mask.

But they do work at what they're meant to do, so let's never confuse ourselves with the nuffies who denied their effectiveness when they were really needed.

Good luck with the new freedoms mate (says me who contracted the fecker last weekend and has been doing the iso/mask/sook trifecta for nearly a week now).
 

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I was all for masks and lockdowns when vaccination rates were low, and the omicron variant had not emerged, and there was a realistic chance of keeping the virus out. But now that most of us are triple-vaccinated, the latest variants are milder, and there is no hope of stopping it, masks and lockdowns are ideas whose time has come and gone. That's enough. I'm not covering up my face forever.

A guy i work with continued to wear his mask after everyone else stopped.
Guess who went on leave and had to stay an extra week before he could come back to work?

Mind you masks are more likely to stop you spreading the Virus you already have , and don't know yet, than stopping you from catching it .
So if we had a system that relied on people giving a crap, those who gave a crap would probably still catch it, while those who don't give a crap are less likely.
 

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