Covid-19 Wuhan Coronavirus (COVID-19) - Part 5 - Get vaccinated.

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Chief

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https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infec...d-19-vaccination-case-surveillance-051121.pdf

In the peak fortnight of the outbreak to date (25 August to 7 September), the COVID-19 case rate among 2-dose vaccinated people was 49.5 per 100,000 while in unvaccinated people it was 561 per 100,000, a more than 10-fold difference. The rates of COVID-19 ICU admissions or deaths peaked in the fortnight 8 September to 21 September at 0.9 per 100,000 in 2-dose vaccinated people compared to 15.6 per 100,000 in unvaccinated people, a greater than 16-fold difference.
 
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Dogs_R_Us

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I live in SA I’d liken it more to Joseph Stalin. I can’t even go clubbing here and we’ve barely touched 100 cases since mid July when we locked down over 2 cases. I can’t eat and drink in a mall when covid ridden places like NSW and VIC can do as they please. bye felecia
Watch out for pizza boxes 🍕, and flying footballs 🏉
 

owen87

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I live in SA I’d liken it more to Joseph Stalin. I can’t even go clubbing here and we’ve barely touched 100 cases since mid July when we locked down over 2 cases. I can’t eat and drink in a mall when covid ridden places like NSW and VIC can do as they please. bye felecia
Has spent the entire global pandemic being barely impacted by coronavirus.

Likens situation to living under Stalin.
 
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Garters

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I live in SA I’d liken it more to Joseph Stalin. I can’t even go clubbing here and we’ve barely touched 100 cases since mid July when we locked down over 2 cases. I can’t eat and drink in a mall when covid ridden places like NSW and VIC can do as they please. bye felecia
Equating a dictator that killed / starved and executed 20M of its own citizens to you not being able to go clubbing. Hmm...
 

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Can't believe they shut down all 3 nightclubs in Adelaide :(
Do you not remember how sh*t it is racking lines in a pub toilet compared to a nightclub
The sad world we live in now where it’s at yours or one of your mates house with a couple slabs on standby
 

mouncey2franklin

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More scared of a small part of a dead virus than a full blown live one! Silly
Are you under the impression that viruses are 'alive'?

If so, you might consider taking some time to look into the official story.

Most 'experts' do not consider viruses to be alive.

Some say they are in a 'grey zone' between living and dead.

But don't worry, these guys are experts, they must know what they're talking about :thumbsu:
 

And_ROOS

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Are you under the impression that viruses are 'alive'?

If so, you might consider taking some time to look into the official story.

Most 'experts' do not consider viruses to be alive.

Some say they are in a 'grey zone' between living and dead.

But don't worry, these guys are experts, they must know what they're talking about :thumbsu:
If you want to pass most tests, the answer is that viruses are not alive because they don't complete all of the seven life processes. However people refer to them as "live" because they reproduce (meaning they are active) and its easier to say "a live virus" but its never referred to as a "living thing". Its also why you say "strains" of virus and not "species".

Its more about terminology here though, as who you quoted said "More scared of a small part of a dead virus than a full blown live one! Silly" not ALIVE which was the word you used.

To be fair, the person you quoted is closer to correct than you are. The measles vaccine for example is called an attenuated vaccine, but its also known as a LIVE attenuated vaccine. This is because it uses a weakened pathogen but keeps it viable for use in the vaccine, or you know, they keep it live.

Live doesn't mean living in this case, it means its active.
 

mouncey2franklin

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If you want to pass most tests, the answer is that viruses are not alive because they don't complete all of the seven life processes. However people refer to them as "live" because they reproduce (meaning they are active) and its easier to say "a live virus" but its never referred to as a "living thing". Its also why you say "strains" of virus and not "species".
Thank you the technical jargon.

It seems you agree with me, though.
 

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mouncey2franklin

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God forbid you’d use technical jargon discussing epidemiology.
Does the matter of words you use change the empirical reality?

No it does not.

Either these viruses are alive, or they are not.

Except in epidemiology where there are 'grey zones', whereby if you use enough words, like magic, hey presto, a new thing now exists.
 

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I think its clear that we should now refer to them as Active and Inactive, however all the points where they were casually referred to as live and dead , still stand if the words active and inactive are substituted.
 

CD Xbow

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Does the matter of words you use change the empirical reality?

No it does not.

Either these viruses are alive, or they are not.

Except in epidemiology where there are 'grey zones', whereby if you use enough words, like magic, hey presto, a new thing now exists.
It simply depends on your definition of 'alive'. Viruses don't fit all the traditional criteria of being 'alive', but most folks would regard them as being alive within a cell when they are reproducing in. For this reason scientists have been looking at changing the definition of life - see A new biological definition of life - PubMed (nih.gov)

So I don't know why you are bagging the epidemiologists specifically when it's a profound and complex issue that science is struggling with. As we learn about astrobiology we probably need a more generic definition of life, one that's not so earthcentric.
 

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