Covid-19 Wuhan Coronavirus (COVID-19) - Part 5 - Get vaccinated.

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infec...d-19-vaccination-case-surveillance-051121.pdf

In the peak fortnight of the outbreak to date (25 August to 7 September), the COVID-19 case rate among 2-dose vaccinated people was 49.5 per 100,000 while in unvaccinated people it was 561 per 100,000, a more than 10-fold difference. The rates of COVID-19 ICU admissions or deaths peaked in the fortnight 8 September to 21 September at 0.9 per 100,000 in 2-dose vaccinated people compared to 15.6 per 100,000 in unvaccinated people, a greater than 16-fold difference.
 
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That’s not “a scientist”. And it’s nothing to do with the pandemic and research on same.
It is and I only mentioned my background because I lol at hearing politicians demanding people "follow the science" which is code for "accept what you are being told because science". That attitude goes against the fundamental tenent of science.

In as complex a situation as the world finds itself with Covid, the more questions asked (then answered) the closer humankind will actually get to a fix.
 
It is and I only mentioned my background because I lol at hearing politicians demanding people "follow the science" which is code for "accept what you are being told because science". That attitude goes against the fundamental tenent of science.

In as complex a situation as the world finds itself with Covid, the more questions asked (then answered) the closer humankind will actually get to a fix.

I have a degree in Mechanical Engineering. I really don't go around checking that the strengths of beams holding the roof over my head are sufficient, or that the brakes on my car are strong enough to pull it up, though i'd probably be able to tell without much effort if something was drastically wrong. I could spend my life double checking what other people have done.
I do enjoy understanding the fundamentals of physics, and i know what you mean about the Politicians. They do get sucked into believing things they don't understand. There are research projects funded that should never have gotten off the ground.

I'm pretty sure the majority of Doctors follow the directions given to them by the likes of the TGA without actually building a research laboratory and organising their own trials. Nor do they check random stuff on Youtube.
 
It is and I only mentioned my background because I lol at hearing politicians demanding people "follow the science" which is code for "accept what you are being told because science". That attitude goes against the fundamental tenent of science.

In as complex a situation as the world finds itself with Covid, the more questions asked (then answered) the closer humankind will actually get to a fix.
The experts do ask questions that’s how they come up with solutions/vaccines etc. People like you and me are not experts
 

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I have a degree in Mechanical Engineering. I really don't go around checking that the strengths of beams holding the roof over my head are sufficient, or that the brakes on my car are strong enough to pull it up, though i'd probably be able to tell without much effort if something was drastically wrong. I could spend my life double checking what other people have done.
I do enjoy understanding the fundamentals of physics, and i know what you mean about the Politicians. They do get sucked into believing things they don't understand. There are research projects funded that should never have gotten off the ground.

I'm pretty sure the majority of Doctors follow the directions given to them by the likes of the TGA without actually building a research laboratory and organising their own trials. Nor do they check random stuff on Youtube.
Not a comparable analogy to compare the known structural integrity of a inanimate object with the multi faceted biological, medical, social and economic meltingpot of covid?
 
It is and I only mentioned my background because I lol at hearing politicians demanding people "follow the science" which is code for "accept what you are being told because science". That attitude goes against the fundamental tenent of science.
It actually doesn't. Like, I'm sure you in your role as an environmental engineer do not conduct a field study on the effects of soil contaminants on the ecosystems they are likely do end up in every time you are asked to categorise a fill material. If you needed to test what 100ppm of nickel had on the habitats of birds before completing a soil sampling, you'd take ten years to get anything classified. So instead, you would simply sample the soil to determine the concentration and then consult some established standards on what is and is not dangerous.

If science did not build off established research, known outcomes and accepted causations, we would get up and re-invent the wheel every single day.
 
Not a comparable analogy to compare the known structural integrity of a inanimate object with the multi faceted biological, medical, social and economic meltingpot of covid?

So as an environmental scientist, you have the same qualification in medical ...social ...and economics ....as a Mechanical Engineer.

My point was , most qualified people trust other qualified people and the processes that are in place.
 
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So as an environmental scientist, you have the same qualification in medical ...social ...and economics ....as a Mechanical Engineer.

My point was , most qualified people trust other qualified people and the processes that are in place.

Do you trust the daily Covid positive numbers being released in Victoria at the moment?

Given the number I know personally to currently have Covid, around 1,000 per day just can't be right. It would have to be 10 times that amount.
 

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Do you trust the daily Covid positive numbers being released in Victoria at the moment?

Given the number I know personally to currently have Covid, around 1,000 per day just can't be right. It would have to be 10 times that amount.
Ah that is not how extrapolation of data works Bruce... ie you know a few close contacts in your orbit, and current state numbers are circa 1300 a day. Net, net you summize the actual number as 13k a day! All whilst calling into question the veracity of state govt data.The 'vibe' of the thing may have worked in the castle but hard to prosecute a statistical case on your well intentioned 'vibe' in this case.
 
Do you trust the daily Covid positive numbers being released in Victoria at the moment?

Given the number I know personally to currently have Covid, around 1,000 per day just can't be right. It would have to be 10 times that amount.

More than i trust your judgement.
I'm yet to actually meet anyone who has had it.

10 000 per day you reckon?
 
Hanson parrots the "vaccines don't work" bullshit:



"In England, now it's stated that more people are dying with COVID who are double-vaxxed than unvaxxed," Senator Hanson told the assembled crowd. "It is a fact."

The latest data published by the UK Health Security Agency shows that of 3,726 COVID-19 deaths over a three-week period to November 21, 2,903 were people fully vaccinated against the disease, compared to 708 unvaccinated people.

However, those figures do not mean that vaccinated people are at a higher risk of death from COVID-19.

The UK report also provides the rate of death per 100,000 people in each group.

That data reveals that the rate of death among unvaccinated people across the UK was higher for every age bracket when compared to those who were double-dosed.
 

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It actually doesn't. Like, I'm sure you in your role as an environmental engineer do not conduct a field study on the effects of soil contaminants on the ecosystems they are likely do end up in every time you are asked to categorise a fill material. If you needed to test what 100ppm of nickel had on the habitats of birds before completing a soil sampling, you'd take ten years to get anything classified. So instead, you would simply sample the soil to determine the concentration and then consult some established standards on what is and is not dangerous.

If science did not build off established research, known outcomes and accepted causations, we would get up and re-invent the wheel every single day.
Yes of course I would send the sample to a lab and trust their outputs as that is a known factor. I wouldn't waste my time with it. What I am referring to is the capture of thousands of known data points and trying to apply to a moving biological scenario.

An analogy I can think of is a dredge operation. Seeing you cant hurt bethic habitats or the regulator will shut you down, what do you do? You need to work out what materials you are cutting (geotechnic) and what physical process's are occuring at the cutter head (physics) to understand the partical sizes generated, then you have to apply to metocean variables, wind, tides, current to try predict where the sediments are going and at what concentrations.

Finally you need to know about the corals, what types are they, what baseline health they were and start to make risk based judgements about how long a plume could sit over them before they die through lack of sunlight or sedimentation (ecology and marine science). A mirad of specialists with PHD's and what-not will be feeding into that knowledge bank, however they don't see the overall goal of the exercise (as they only concentrate on their specialisation), so someone has to draw all of that together, balancing the science and risk and the economoc realities underpining the entire exercise.

In the case of Covid those people are politicians.
 

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Hanson parrots the "vaccines don't work" bullshit:



"In England, now it's stated that more people are dying with COVID who are double-vaxxed than unvaxxed," Senator Hanson told the assembled crowd. "It is a fact."

The latest data published by the UK Health Security Agency shows that of 3,726 COVID-19 deaths over a three-week period to November 21, 2,903 were people fully vaccinated against the disease, compared to 708 unvaccinated people.

However, those figures do not mean that vaccinated people are at a higher risk of death from COVID-19.

The UK report also provides the rate of death per 100,000 people in each group.

That data reveals that the rate of death among unvaccinated people across the UK was higher for every age bracket when compared to those who were double-dosed.

Of course anyone paying attention to her isn't going to scroll to page 33 of a 46 page document (or even page 1 in all likelihood)

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Of course anyone paying attention to her isn't going to scroll to page 33 of a 46 page document (or even page 1 in all likelihood)

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theydon’t elect convicted criminals in the UK. She wouldn’t begin to understand how it goes over there
 
Anti-vaxxers flood complaints over a Tesco ad:


Most of the 5,000 complaints received claimed that the ad, which was posted in mid-November, tried to pressure viewers into getting vaccines and encouraged medical discrimination based on vaccine status, according to the Advertising Standards Authority.
 
Given the number I know personally to currently have Covid, around 1,000 per day just can't be right. It would have to be 10 times that amount.
What a ridiculous statement …fmd
 
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