Politics Wuhan Coronavirus (COVID-19): The politics thread

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I'm looking forward to going to the footy this weekend, by the looks of it large gatherings are back on the agenda....... crowds of thousands at protests over the last few days.
Crowds at games in Victoria wont be happening for a while. The timeframe would have been pushed back weeks because of the brain dead protesters, and now that one has tested positive with more to come, you can thank them for the extended empty stadiums.

On another note, were the 4 Labor MP's who attended the rallies fined for breaching social distancing laws?
 

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Excess fatalities during lockdown, people to scared to go to hospital-- yet if only anyone had seen this coming !!.

CDC's update for Week 23 of the Wonder Database, reflects 54,662 excess 2020 deaths (over 2014-2019 avg) for the Big Five fatality groups, for weeks 6 - 23.

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Excess fatalities during lockdown, people to scared to go to hospital-- yet if only anyone had seen this coming !!.

CDC's update for Week 23 of the Wonder Database, reflects 54,662 excess 2020 deaths (over 2014-2019 avg) for the Big Five fatality groups, for weeks 6 - 23.

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Too scared to go to hospital or couldn't get in because hospitals and EMT were over run?
 
hospitals were in general empty, nurses etc were layed off, that's common knowledge, exactly like in Australia
Kids in parts of NYC couldn't walk the streets because hospitals couldn't accommodate psych patients, and they were wandering the streets. Because the hospital's were over run.
But yes, I'm aware Australian hospital's were ghost towns.
 
Kids in parts of NYC couldn't walk the streets because hospitals couldn't accommodate psych patients, and they were wandering the streets. Because the hospital's were over run.
But yes, I'm aware Australian hospital's were ghost towns.

do you actually pay any attention, makeshift hospitals were built and then taken down without any use all over America and other places, medical staff were layed of everywhere because hospitals were basically ghost towns

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, 43,000 healthcare jobs were lost in March 2020, and the job losses in healthcare have increased as shutdowns persist through the pandemic. The Health Landscape and American Academy of Family Physicians issued a report estimating by June 2020, 60,000 family medical practices will close or scale back, affecting 800,000 workers.

 
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Fully referenced facts about Covid-19


  1. According to the latest immunological and serological studies, the overall lethality of Covid-19 (IFR) is about 0.1% and thus in the range of a strong seasonal influenza (flu).
  2. In countries like the US, the UK, and also Sweden (without a lockdown), overall mortality since the beginning of the year is in the range of a strong influenza season; in countries like Germany, Austria and Switzerland, overall mortality is in the range of a mild influenza season.
  3. Even in global “hotspots”, the risk of death for the general population of school and working age is typically in the range of a daily car ride to work. The risk was initially overestimated because many people with only mild or no symptoms were not taken into account.
  4. Up to 80% of all test-positive persons remain symptom-free. Even among 70-79 year olds, about 60% remain symptom-free. Over 95% of all persons develop at most moderate symptoms.
  5. Up to 60% of all persons may already have a certain cellular background immunity to Covid19 due to contact with previous coronaviruses (i.e. common cold viruses).
  6. The median or average age of the deceased in most countries (including Italy) is over 80 years and only about 4% of the deceased had no serious preconditions. The age and risk profile of deaths thus essentially corresponds to normal mortality.
  7. In many countries, up to two thirds of all extra deaths occurred in nursing homes, which do not benefit from a general lockdown. Moreover, in many cases it is not clear whether these people really died from Covid19 or from weeks of extreme stress and isolation.
  8. Up to 30% of all additional deaths may have been caused not by Covid19, but by the effects of the lockdown, panic and fear. For example, the treatment of heart attacks and strokes decreased by up to 60% because many patients no longer dared to go to hospital.
  9. Even in so-called “Covid19 deaths” it is often not clear whether they died from or with coronavirus (i.e. from underlying diseases) or if they were counted as “presumed cases” and not tested at all. However, official figures usually do not reflect this distinction.
  10. Many media reports of young and healthy people dying from Covid19 turned out to be false: many of these young people either did not die from Covid19, they had already been seriously ill (e.g. from undiagnosed leukaemia), or they were in fact 109 instead of 9 years old. The claimed increase in Kawasaki disease in children also turned out to be false.
  11. Strong increases in regional mortality can occur if there is a collapse in the care of the elderly and sick as a result of infection or panic, or if there are additional risk factors such as severe air pollution. Questionable regulations for dealing with the deceased sometimes led to additional bottlenecks in funeral or cremation services.
  12. In countries such as Italy and Spain, and to some extent the UK and the US, hospital overloads due to strong flu waves are not unusual. Moreover, this year up to 15% of health care workers were put into quarantine, even if they developed no symptoms.
  13. The often shown exponential curves of “corona cases” are misleading, as the number of tests also increased exponentially. In most countries, the ratio of positive tests to tests overall (i.e. the positive rate) remained constant at 5% to 25% or increased only slightly. In many countries, the peak of the spread was already reached well before the lockdown.
  14. Countries without curfews and contact bans, such as Japan, South Korea, Belarus or Sweden, have not experienced a more negative course of events than other countries. Sweden was even praised by the WHO and now benefits from higher immunity compared to lockdown countries.
  15. The fear of a shortage of ventilators was unjustified. According to lung specialists, the invasive ventilation (intubation) of Covid19 patients, which is partly done out of fear of spreading the virus, is in fact often counterproductive and damaging to the lungs.
  16. Contrary to original assumptions, various studies have shown that there is no evidence of the virus spreading through aerosols (i.e. tiny particles floating in the air) or through smear infections (e.g. on door handles or smartphones). The main modes of transmission are direct contact and droplets produced when coughing or sneezing.
  17. There is also no scientific evidence for the effectiveness of face masks in healthy or asymptomatic individuals. On the contrary, experts warn that such masks interfere with normal breathing and may become “germ carriers”. Leading doctors called them a “media hype” and “ridiculous”.
  18. Many clinics in Europe and the US remained strongly underutilized or almost empty during the Covid19 peak and in some cases had to send staff home. Millions of surgeries and therapies were cancelled, including many cancer screenings and organ transplants.
  19. Several media were caught trying to dramatize the situation in hospitals, sometimes even with manipulative images and videos. In general, the unprofessional reporting of many media maximized fear and panic in the population.
  20. The virus test kits used internationally are prone to errors and can produce false positive and false negative results. Moreover, the official virus test was not clinically validated due to time pressure and may sometimes react positive to other coronaviruses.
  21. Numerous internationally renowned experts in the fields of virology, immunology and epidemiology consider the measures taken to be counterproductive and recommend rapid natural immunisation of the general population and protection of risk groups.
  22. At no time was there a medical reason for the closure of schools, as the risk of disease and transmission in children is extremely low. There is also no medical reason for small classes, masks or ‘social distancing’ rules in schools.
  23. The claim that only (severe) Covid-19 but not influenza may cause venous thrombosis and pulmonary (lung) embolism is not true, as it has been known for 50 years that severe influenza greatly increases the risk of thrombosis and embolism, too.
  24. Several medical experts described express coronavirus vaccines as unnecessary or even dangerous. Indeed, the vaccine against the so-called swine flu of 2009, for example, led to sometimes severe neurological damage and lawsuits in the millions. In the testing of new coronavirus vaccines, too, serious complications and failures have already occurred.
  25. A global influenza or corona pandemic can indeed extend over several seasons, but many studies of a “second wave” are based on very unrealistic assumptions, such as a constant risk of illness and death across all age groups.
  26. Several nurses, e.g. in New York City, described an oftentimes fatal medical mismanagement of Covid patients due to questionable financial incentives or inappropriate medical protocols.
  27. The number of people suffering from unemployment, depressions and domestic violence as a result of the measures has reached historic record values. Several experts predict that the measures will claim far more lives than the virus itself. According to the UN 1.6 billion people around the world are at immediate risk of losing their livelihood.
  28. NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden warned that the “corona crisis” will be used for the permanent expansion of global surveillance. Renowned virologist Pablo Goldschmidt spoke of a “global media terror” and “totalitarian measures”. Leading British virologist Professor John Oxford spoke of a “media epidemic”.
  29. More than 600 scientists have warned of an “unprecedented surveillance of society” through problematic apps for “contact tracing”. In some countries, such “contact tracing” is already carried out directly by the secret service. In several parts of the world, the population is already being monitored by drones and facing serious police overreach.
  30. A 2019 WHO study on public health measures against pandemic influenza found that from a medical perspective, “contact tracing” is “not recommended in any circumstances”. Nevertheless, contact tracing apps have already become partially mandatory in several countries.
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Um those deaths are a function of the virus. If people are dying because they are too scared to go to hospital because of a virus then it is the virus that is responsible.
I’d call that overreach. The death is from AMI/ abdominal organ perforation etc. lots of people fear hospitals for many reasons, covid is only one.
A perhaps more relevant example is a case where treatment was delaye due to fear that a patient had contact with a suspected covid case. This delay pretty much guaranteed death when the illness (surgical complication) was treatable if the covid issue was ignored. And more embarrassing that the suspected contact was actually negative but the treating team did not ask (due to siloed medical information)
 

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hospitals were in general empty, nurses etc were layed off, that's common knowledge, exactly like in Australia
Simplistic. The US has a generally ****ed system, elective surgery is a big driver of their almost entirely for profit sector so when electives get shut down there’s no money to support emergency treatment and so staff get put on leave. Yes many places did see less ED attendance as well but that is not the reason hospitals were empty it was the reduction in elective (in USA)
 
#Sweden is hit by #COVID19 like a severe flu season. Some of the flue seasons of the '90s have clearly outclassed Covid19. And nobody was interested: No daily deaths counts. No media coverage from #ICU. No shortage of toilet paper or coffins. (*update*)


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Excess fatalities during lockdown, people to scared to go to hospital-- yet if only anyone had seen this coming !!.

CDC's update for Week 23 of the Wonder Database, reflects 54,662 excess 2020 deaths (over 2014-2019 avg) for the Big Five fatality groups, for weeks 6 - 23.

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We should count them all as covid deaths because even if they didnt have covid it was fear of covid that killed them. Covid responsible either way.

Ps. Many of them would of had covid.
 
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#Peru hard lock-down, super-strict - lauded. #Brazil lockdown overturned by president - super-criticized. So Peru will naturally have waaaaay fewer deaths per million than Brazil. Right? Right? #Coronavirus #Lockdown #Covid19


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Peru is a colder climate given half the country is in the second tallest mountian range on the planet. It should have more covid deaths.
 
#Sweden is hit by #COVID19 like a severe flu season. Some of the flue seasons of the '90s have clearly outclassed Covid19. And nobody was interested: No daily deaths counts. No media coverage from #ICU. No shortage of toilet paper or coffins. (*update*)


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Are you comparing social distancing corona numbers with non social distancing flu numbers? Did you not learn about exponential growth at school?
 
We should count them all as covid deaths because even if they didnt have covid it was fear of covid that killed them. Covid responsible either way.

Ps. Many of them would of had covid.

you sound like you either work for CNN or the ABC, hopfully the ABC!
 

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