Roast Yarran

[carlton_for_life]

We traded away our "promising replacement" for Fev in Kennedy to help get Judd. Can't have it all.

True. But Kennedy hasn't shown that much (kicked 3 on the weekend, but fisher has done that multiple times for us and is clearly not a fev replacement.) And Kennedy was a top four pick. We aren't going to get another one of those any time soon. I just hope Hughes is up to picking a fev replacement without a top 5 pick or in a few years it's going to hurt

 

[DBLUES]

WE GOT IT WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't blame Yarran. The blame should be pointed directley at Wayne Hughes and the recruiting team. Yarran will be no better or influence a game any more than Betts , Davies or Nahas. These players were all rookies.

I remember listening to the draft on SEN and before we read out our pick I was celebrating that we would select Rich. When Yarran was read out I can't repeat what I said.

Imgaine what Rich would have done on the G yesterday. Did anyone see his 3rd quarter against the crows.

To waste Pick 6 on a goal sneak who will struggle to ever get 20 disposals, and pass on a certain 10 year ball magnet is sad. It will be a decision that will haunt our club for a decade.

 

[carlton_for_life]

WE GOT IT WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't blame Yarran. The blame should be pointed directley at Wayne Hughes and the recruiting team. Yarran will be no better or influence a game any more than Betts , Davies or Nahas. These players were all rookies.

I remember listening to the draft on SEN and before we read out our pick I was celebrating that we would select Rich. When Yarran was read out I can't repeat what I said.

Imgaine what Rich would have done on the G yesterday. Did anyone see his 3rd quarter against the crows.

To waste Pick 6 on a goal sneak who will struggle to ever get 20 disposals, and pass on a certain 10 year ball magnet is sad. It will be a decision that will haunt our club for a decade.

Time will tell. We need to give it 3-4 years. Hughes and the recruiters are on record as saying they rated Yarran second best in the draft (behind naitanui but ahead of watts hill etc). hughes and the recruiting team's desperation to get yarran saw us reject 12 and o'keefe for 6. Yarran better be up to it, but we ahve to wait 4 years to tell. So give him time. Trust me if Yarran turns out to be a spud they will be held to account.

 

[inyourcool]

WE GOT IT WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't blame Yarran. The blame should be pointed directley at Wayne Hughes and the recruiting team. Yarran will be no better or influence a game any more than Betts , Davies or Nahas. These players were all rookies.

I remember listening to the draft on SEN and before we read out our pick I was celebrating that we would select Rich. When Yarran was read out I can't repeat what I said.

Imgaine what Rich would have done on the G yesterday. Did anyone see his 3rd quarter against the crows.

To waste Pick 6 on a goal sneak who will struggle to ever get 20 disposals, and pass on a certain 10 year ball magnet is sad. It will be a decision that will haunt our club for a decade.

I think we tried to emulate the hawks approach and select that skillful small forward with an eye to a midfield role ala Cyril, however, the difference between these 2 is the intensity for the game and the contest. You can plainly see the difference between these two as an example. One blasted onto the scene and shows an awesome appetite for the contest. The other seems laconic and barely has the intensity for VFL footy.
I think our drafting has been ordinary for a few years. This looks like being another selection to be added to the missed opportunity list.

Chris' problem is that he lacks the energy and appetite for AFL footy and that's something that is usually impossible to change. Hope i'm wrong

 

[as0l0]

WE GOT IT WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't blame Yarran. The blame should be pointed directley at Wayne Hughes and the recruiting team. Yarran will be no better or influence a game any more than Betts , Davies or Nahas. These players were all rookies.

I remember listening to the draft on SEN and before we read out our pick I was celebrating that we would select Rich. When Yarran was read out I can't repeat what I said.

Imgaine what Rich would have done on the G yesterday. Did anyone see his 3rd quarter against the crows.

To waste Pick 6 on a goal sneak who will struggle to ever get 20 disposals, and pass on a certain 10 year ball magnet is sad. It will be a decision that will haunt our club for a decade.

i can agree with the short term view, but in the long run when we don't lose Murph, Gibbs or Kruez because of salary cap pressure, Yarran will be the right choice.

 

[carlton_for_life]

I think we tried to emulate the hawks approach and select that skillful small forward with an eye to a midfield role ala Cyril, however, the difference between these 2 is the intensity for the game and the contest. You can plainly see the difference between these two as an example. One blasted onto the scene and shows an awesome appetite for the contest. The other seems laconic and barely has the intensity for VFL footy.
I think our drafting has been ordinary for a few years. This looks like being another selection to be added to the missed opportunity list.

Chris' problem is that he lacks the energy and appetite for AFL footy and that's something that is usually impossible to change. Hope i'm wrong

Duck for cover, Gilly is coming!

 

[Bluebear]

Don't really care what anyone thinks here, if they agree or not. I wanted Yarran to step up today, but it's clear he doesn't really care if he is out there or not.

Only once did he attempt to chase someone down with any intent and he didn't even get close. Every other time was half arsed attempts. Give someone who wants to be out there a go.

Sure this may be harsh but for someone who just got his spot 2 weeks ago, he sure isn't working as hard as he should. Look at Betts how hard he fights for the ball regardless of the score. Betts is a absolute star and Yarran needs to pull his head in.

You'll cop a far whack on here, so I won't add to much to it, other than to say, maybe you need to re-examine your own expectations from our players, and what positions they are in.

Just one example of recent note to me is Grigg. This pre-season he was being lauded, and quite rightly as one of the most improved and exciting members of an emerging young midfield. Sadly due to injury he hasn't been able to deliver.

Go back if you can and watch his debut vs Dees two years ago......about round 12 or so.

Rabbit in the headlights.

His next few games weren't much better.

He did some good things but was very ineffectual. Despite dominating in the reserves, he just took some time to adjust to the speed of AFL.

Yarran is trying to adjust, to one of the most difficult positions on the ground. Yes, he needs to lift, but he also needs to be given the chance to lift.


As others have quite rightly pointed out, defensive pressure only became a strong suit in Betts game a couple of years ago.......probably two season into his career........this time last year many were still calling for Betts to be dropped for not doing enough in the midfield.

(trying my new feather duster instead of the baseball bat in light of the new posting policy )

 

[DBLUES]

Yarran is more likely to be an Oakley-nichols clone than Rioli.

I dont want to wait 3-4 years. Yarran is not a KPP that takes time to mature. Look at him he looks older than Judd does.

Rich was a sure bet. He would have made judd's impact even greater ( if thats at all possible ). He may have even prolonged Judds
career by taking away a lot of the contested ball and freeing Juddy up.

I left yesterday's game without any positives. Without Judd we are
nothing! And the thought of Rich in dark navy on the G yesterday made my day even worse.

 

[Salaryman]

WE GOT IT WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't blame Yarran. The blame should be pointed directley at Wayne Hughes and the recruiting team. Yarran will be no better or influence a game any more than Betts , Davies or Nahas. These players were all rookies.

I remember listening to the draft on SEN and before we read out our pick I was celebrating that we would select Rich. When Yarran was read out I can't repeat what I said.

Imgaine what Rich would have done on the G yesterday. Did anyone see his 3rd quarter against the crows.

To waste Pick 6 on a goal sneak who will struggle to ever get 20 disposals, and pass on a certain 10 year ball magnet is sad. It will be a decision that will haunt our club for a decade.

 

[Cruiser23]

Rich, Rich, Rich, that is all i'm hearing nowadays. Overrated.

 

[bluejoker]

Yarran obviously has talent, you don't do what he did last year without having ability.

From what I have seen the past 2 games, he seems very timid and afraid to take the game on or go hard at a contest.

For this reason, he should play in the 2's until he gets that confidence.

Lets no forget he is only 18 years old and will take time to develop. Remember people were saying Rich Rich Rich at Freo and 6 Games later its all HILL HILL HILL. Lets see after 3 years.

 

[Artie Bucco]

Yarran is more likely to be an Oakley-nichols clone than Rioli.

I dont want to wait 3-4 years. Yarran is not a KPP that takes time to mature. Look at him he looks older than Judd does.

Rich was a sure bet. He would have made judd's impact even greater ( if thats at all possible ). He may have even prolonged Judds
career by taking away a lot of the contested ball and freeing Juddy up.

I left yesterday's game without any positives. Without Judd we are
nothing! And the thought of Rich in dark navy on the G yesterday made my day even worse.

Glass half full or empty? Ease up, relax and enjoy life.

Bluebear's post is spot on the money, go read over it. I don't know if Yarran will turn out to be good or not, what I do know is that to have already written a kid off after two afl games is beyond stupid.

Grigg, Bower and Simpson (I'm sure there's more) all had slow starts to their career. Typically most of the recruits will need 20-50 games to adjust to AFL football.

We drafted Yarran because our forward line, if you haven't noticed is losing us games. If it had been functioning as well as the other two areas of our team we would be sitting on 0 losses right now.

 

[Salaryman]

Those bemoaning Yarran's selection are also bemoaning the lack of a tall to replace Fev. Get out of your old way of thinking. Today's game, effective forward lines are about dangerous instinctive forwards and multiple avenues towards goal. Of course you need one quality tall marking target and perhaps another tall to compete and bring the ball to ground. Even without Fev as a key focal point, Waite showed his athleticism and ability once the ball hits the ground provides a difficult match-up.....Waite, Yarran, Betts, Walker (if the shoulder gets right) and another developing tall is the basis of a very dangerous forward line given our strength through the midfield.

 

[DBLUES]

Glass half full or empty? Ease up, relax and enjoy life.

Bluebear's post is spot on the money, go read over it. I don't know if Yarran will turn out to be good or not, what I do know is that to have already written a kid off after two afl games is beyond stupid.

Grigg, Bower and Simpson (I'm sure there's more) all had slow starts to their career. Typically most of the recruits will need 20-50 games to adjust to AFL football.

We drafted Yarran because our forward line, if you haven't noticed is losing us games. If it had been functioning as well as the other two areas of our team we would be sitting on 0 losses right now.

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!! We lose games because when Judd goes to the bench for a rest, we get killed in the middle. Why do u think he played 87% of the game yesterday. Geelong have won 50 of 53 games with an A grade midfield and a B grade forward line. Midfield depth and rotation is everything and having Rich a part of ours would have been a dream.

Apart from my family, the Blues are my life. It will haunt me that we past up Rich (or even Ziebell ) for a chance bet on gaol sneak. A goal sneak with many personal issues that xtend fa beyond the footabll field. We got it wrong!!!!!!

 

[Salaryman]

Why do I get excited at the prospect of those names along with Kreuzer and Fevola in our forward 6?

It is the mental imagery of one of the most exciting forward lines for a long time (current Hawthorn line-up included)

Right, and even though you may be robbing peter to pay paul, the fact is Kreuz is an extremely effective forward option. We have built a side with versatility, to cover for loss of Fev, etc.....our talls are versatile and are not liabilities once the ball hits the ground, with Betts, Garlett and Yarran we have a trio of exciting, dangerous, instinctive small forwards, Yarran is also a great lead-up marking target for his height.....problem is some muppets can't see past their own egos.

I should add, those that bookmark Yarran as a goal sneak either haven't seen enough of him to have seen his stints through the midfield or across HB, or are too biased and have made their minds up already .

 

[Artie Bucco]

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!! We lose games because when Judd goes to the bench for a rest, we get killed in the middle. Why do u think he played 87% of the game yesterday. Geelong have won 50 of 53 games with an A grade midfield and a B grade forward line. Midfield depth and rotation is everything and having Rich a part of ours would have been a dream.

Apart from my family, the Blues are my life. It will haunt me that we past up Rich (or even Ziebell ) for a chance bet on gaol sneak. A goal sneak with many personal issues that xtend fa beyond the footabll field. We got it wrong!!!!!!

Tell me how good were Ablett are Bartell when they were Gibbs and Murhpy's age Do you really think Ziebell and Rich would have made us such a better side? Neither address any of the problems with why we slide when Judd is off. Our problem when Judd is resting is that we don't have a pure inside mid.

We're never going to challenge Geelong, Saints and Hawthorn this year. It's all about experience, and who knows we may sneak into a prelim

Seriously mate, go out and enjoy life. I'm extremely passionate about this club but you can't take it too seriously....it's only a game and you're meant to enjoy it.

 

[tigris]

a) Rich is looking like a good midfielder, do we need another that will just sit in the ants for 18 games a year? No.

b) Ziebell is going ok as a running half forward, sure. It will take at least another 2 years to know who was the better choice.

That said, I was not impressed with Yarran's game yesterday. I saw him squib at least 2 contests, and as the OP said, he never chased.

To pull out of a contest in the defensive 50 that results in a mark and shot on goal is inexcusable, it just shows you don't want to get hurt. Take a leaf from scotties book, you have to hit those contests regardless, without even thinking about it. When I saw this young kid pull out, my rating for him dropped significantly, and then when he did it again 30 mins later I just sighed.

 

[Silvagnis]

Hughes hasn't drafted any talls?

Hampson, Kreuzer and Austin are pretty short, yet all three of them got on the scoreboard yesterday.

Who needs Rich when you have Robinson to take goal saving pack marks and kick goals?

Yarran is a shy character drafted away from his home as a 17 year old without the two years of senior footy of Rich and Gibbs.

And has had injuries...

Maybe we need to give him more time and games to get his body and mind right for playing AFL against men?

Even Ziebell didn't set the world on fire straight away and commented on the difference in pace.

 

[tigris]

We're never going to challenge Geelong, Saints and Hawthorn this year.

Pretty sure we already challenged 1 of those this year.

 

[len_jet]

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just noticed this... love it...

 

[Bluebear]

I left yesterday's game without any positives.

At the risk of overstepping the new posting guidelines........might I suggest that with us beating the Pies by 51 points, Judd sensational, 16 goals without Fev kicking 1, Hampson and Kreuzer in the ruck, Hampsons goal, Scotlands courageous run, Gibbs, Waite, Simpson, Austin, Robinson's steal and goal, Robinsons running with the flight of the ball moments after being snipered by little Nick,....EDDIE........

....if you can't find a single positive from yesterday's game then maybe football isn't for you.

 

[Salaryman]

As ready made and as good as Ziebell is, I have concerns about his ability to stay on the park for a 22 game season. I loved watching the guy (almost as much as Cruiser) last year, but his body was already held together by tape last year

 

[len_jet]

As ready made and as good as Ziebell is, I have concerns about his ability to stay on the park for a 22 game season. I loved watching the guy (almost as much as Cruiser) last year, but his body was already held together by tape last year

so was Judd's shoulder and Selwoods knee at the same time...

 

[Artie Bucco]

Pretty sure we already challenged 1 of those this year.

Never going to challenge Geelong, Saints and Hawks?
Why not?

We've already challenged Hawthorn.
I'll put my money on the Blues at the MCG, against Geelong
St. Klida will be harder for us though.

Things can correct for us sooner than later.
Our team is starting to field the right players for mine, with huge absences in Warnock and Walker yet to come back, or at least be in a position to in the later half of the year.

Grigg will be back this week as well.
Carrazzo possibly the week after

We have done our player experimenting for the year and should start field a more settled line up with back up options at hand.

It is only our game plan I have some reservation for at the moment, but have faith in Ratten letting the boys "go for it" sooner than later.

Why can't we beat Geelong?

IMO there's no way we will beat those teams in September. The Hawthorn side we almost beat, should have lost to Freo. Tells you more about how they're travelling than us.

Our side is very up and down, we're heading in the right direction....but finals against these top sides are won with hard contested football.

So far this year we've lost those types of matches. On our best day we might beat them, who knows. My point is, realistically we wont make the grand final this year and getting games into players like Yarran NOW will benefit us in the long run, eg. Next year when we should be reaching top3

Short term pain for long term gain

 

[Salaryman]

so was Judd's shoulder and Selwoods knee at the same time...

Right, and they both "slid" a bit too didn't they? So you are kinda backing me up??

Because they were success stories, but you don't mention Tom Williams or the ones who weren't??

IIRC Ziebells niggles were many and varied, not a specific issue that could be targeted.