Universal Love Young guns form rise since the Bye

[lioninthesand]

I think he has benefited from improved delivery and a better forward setup with the forwards not competing against each other as much

And clean ball movement, limited turnovers out of defense. we are getting so much clean ball forward of center and that allows us to pick and choose going inside 50. we have found that balance of when to hold and when to go. First half of the year we were just bombing it into the pocket time and time again.

 

[Dalions]

I think he has benefited from improved delivery and a better forward setup with the forwards not competing against each other as much

And getting on the move!

 

[bungalow_bill]

And clean ball movement, limited turnovers out of defense. we are getting so much clean ball forward of center and that allows us to pick and choose going inside 50. we have found that balance of when to hold and when to go. First half of the year we were just bombing it into the pocket time and time again.

There was a stat during the Hawks game showing goals from turnovers. At one we had nine goals from Hawks turnovers. Not so long ago it was the other way around.

 

[Dalions]

There was a stat during the Hawks game showing goals from turnovers. At one we had nine goals from Hawks turnovers. Not so long ago it was the other way around.

Great to see that it was the other team that was always under pressure and made mistakes as a result. And that we were capitalising on those mistakes. That’s is even more pleasing.

 

[_Gin]

McStay starting to put it together as well.

McStay has been improving nicely all year.

He lifted his work rate from last year, but got the yips. Done a lot more than just the odd speccy this year. Could still end up being the best forward yet.

 

[jackess]

McStay has been improving nicely all year.

He lifted his work rate from last year, but got the yips. Done a lot more than just the odd speccy this year. Could still end up being the best forward yet.

Selfless. Should model his game on Jack Riewoldt.

 

[bungalow_bill]

Still plenty of improvement in McStay. When he and Hipwood hit their peak they will be scary good

 

[Lions Flag 2020]

View attachment 528538Got this from 'On the Couch'.

Delist McStay and Taylor - too old

 

[Caiphus]

The other thing when we are up and about is we aren't over committing numbers to the contested ball and then being burnt on the outside. Effect your confident your team mates will get it done on the inside everyone sets up better on the outside and it just changes the whole shape of the field.

We've been drawing our opponents into doing what we used to do. Freo and Carlton pretty much do that on their own without us making them but what we learned from those games seemed to carry into the game against the Hawks.

 

[Kernel Kurtz]

There was a stat during the Hawks game showing goals from turnovers. At one we had nine goals from Hawks turnovers. Not so long ago it was the other way around.

Pfft Stop living in the past .
That was ages ago .

 

[Back2Back2Back]

Early days, however, I think Rayner may buck the trend of number 1 draft picks of the past decade underperforming or failing to become out and out stars of the comp. He just has all the tools to be a star of the comp and at the very least be a quality contested ball winning, goal kicking mid.

Too true, though I only hope he doesn't suffer too bad a 2nd-year hangover.

 

[M Malice]

Too true, though I only hope he doesn't suffer too bad a 2nd-year hangover.

Lets hope he follows the example of Berry and McCluggage, no stagnation or going backwards, both have improved. In Fagan we trust.

 

[Lazza16]

Lets hope he follows the example of Berry and McCluggage, no stagnation or going backwards, both have improved. In Fagan we trust.

In Fagan,Hahn, Littlejohn etc

 

[Gadzorks]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-07-25/stats-incredible-your-clubs-quirky-numbers

Stats incredible: Your club's quirky numbers
Win and win big
Brisbane has won just four games this season, but when the Lions have won, it's been in grand style. With victories over Hawthorn (56 points), Fremantle (55), Carlton (65) and the Hawks again (33), the Lions' average winning margin is 52 points, ranked second behind Melbourne (56 points).

Cashing in on clean hitouts
Most coaches in the competition will talk about winning ascendency around the stoppages, and the Lions seem to have stumbled onto a successful formula. With Stefan Martin and back-up Oscar McInerney doing most of the ruck work, Brisbane has won a hitout-to-advantage from 15.3 per cent of ruck contests this season – ranked fourth. They have then scored from 21 per cent of those hitouts-to-advantage, the highest percentage of any team in the AFL.

Rising Star under the radar?
While Collingwood's Jaidyn Stephenson and Adelaide's Tom Doedee rightly get plenty of discussion about their Rising Star credentials, Lion Alex Witherden is quietly putting together a stellar season. The creative half-back is averaging 23 disposals a game (at 79 per cent efficiency), but more impressively he's gaining 19 metres each disposal, ranked third of the top-50 ball winners in the competition. – Michael Whiting

 

[dlanod]

Brisbane has won just four games this season, but when the Lions have won, it's been in grand style. With victories over Hawthorn (56 points), Fremantle (55), Carlton (65) and the Hawks again (33), the Lions' average winning margin is 52 points, ranked second behind Melbourne (56 points).

I knew we should've lost the Hawthorn game. That way we'd be top.

 

[bungalow_bill]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-07-25/stats-incredible-your-clubs-quirky-numbers

Stats incredible: Your club's quirky numbers
Win and win big
Brisbane has won just four games this season, but when the Lions have won, it's been in grand style. With victories over Hawthorn (56 points), Fremantle (55), Carlton (65) and the Hawks again (33), the Lions' average winning margin is 52 points, ranked second behind Melbourne (56 points).

Cashing in on clean hitouts
Most coaches in the competition will talk about winning ascendency around the stoppages, and the Lions seem to have stumbled onto a successful formula. With Stefan Martin and back-up Oscar McInerney doing most of the ruck work, Brisbane has won a hitout-to-advantage from 15.3 per cent of ruck contests this season – ranked fourth. They have then scored from 21 per cent of those hitouts-to-advantage, the highest percentage of any team in the AFL.

Rising Star under the radar?
While Collingwood's Jaidyn Stephenson and Adelaide's Tom Doedee rightly get plenty of discussion about their Rising Star credentials, Lion Alex Witherden is quietly putting together a stellar season. The creative half-back is averaging 23 disposals a game (at 79 per cent efficiency), but more impressively he's gaining 19 metres each disposal, ranked third of the top-50 ball winners in the competition. – Michael Whiting

According to footy wire Alex has Tom covered in almost every area that matters - and is almost two years younger. Interesting that both are Ex- Geelong Falcons

Alex Witherden V Tom Doedee

26 Career Games 17
Geelong Falcons Origin Geelong Falcons
September 10, 1998 Date of Birth March 1, 1997
19yr 10mth Age 21yr 4mth
188cm Height 188cm
85kg Weight 88kg
2016 National Draft Last Drafted In 2015 National Draft
Round 2, Pick #23 Last Draft Position Round 1, Pick #17
Brisbane Lions Last Drafted By Adelaide Crows
2018 Stats for Season 2018
17 Games 17
16.5 Kicks Per Game 8.4
6.7 Handballs Per Game 9.7
23.2 Disposals Per Game 18.1
7.5 Marks Per Game 5.1
0.1 Goals Per Game 0.1
0.2 Behinds Per Game 0
1.6 Tackles Per Game 2.9
0 Hitouts Per Game 0
2.2 Inside 50s Per Game 1.4
0.1 Goal Assists Per Game 0.1
0.5 Frees For Per Game 1.1
0.7 Frees Against Per Game 0.7
4.1 Contested Possessions Per Game 6.8
15.9 Uncontested Possessions Per Game 11.3
18.4 Effective Disposals Per Game 14.6
79.3% Disposal Efficiency % Per Game 80.7%
1.9 Clangers Per Game 1.6
0.1 Contested Marks Per Game 0.7
0.1 Marks Inside 50 Per Game 0
0.9 Clearances Per Game 0.2
4.8 Rebound 50s Per Game 3.2
1.9 One Percenters Per Game 5.3
0.3 Bounces Per Game 0.2
82.1 Time On Ground % Per Game 84.8
0.5 Centre Clearances Per Game 0
0.4 Stoppage Clearances Per Game 0.2
4.0 Score Involvements Per Game 2.1
443.4 Metres Gained Per Game 267.9
4.1 Turnovers Per Game 3.6
4.1 Intercepts Per Game 7.1
0 Tackles Inside 50 Per Game 0.1
$631,000 AFL Fantasy Price $488,000
90.8 AFL Fantasy Score Per Game 70.8
$453,800 Supercoach Price $412,600
87.4 Supercoach Score Per Game 81.5

 

[Cockliff38]

Interesting comparison between McCluggage and McGrath here - http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-08-07/the-stats-files-whos-top-of-the-2016-draft-class

This was also a theory I hadn't heard publicly before...

Conole rated both as "outstanding kids" off their character, but saw greater on-field upside in McCluggage, who played in the TAC Cup for the North Ballarat Rebels.

His suspicion was McCluggage was, perhaps, not exposed to the same training load – because of the tyranny of distance in the wider Rebels playing group – as McGrath's Sandringham Dragons.

The theory was he would thrive in an AFL environment.

 

[Dylan12]

What one of those graphs highlighted to me was how significantly we nailed the 2016 draft; full credit to the recruiting team.

 

[Dom PC]

In relation to Rayner. Can anyone recall a forward for Brisbane who was under 190cm and had such a strong overhead marking ability?

I'd have to go back to Voss when he went up forward?

Hopefully he does build his tank to play big mins in the midfield, but even as a forward prospect, jeez he is exciting.

 

[fanackapan]

In relation to Rayner. Can anyone recall a forward for Brisbane who was under 190cm and had such a strong overhead marking ability?

Darryl White was 189cm

 

[spotthedog1]

In relation to Rayner. Can anyone recall a forward for Brisbane who was under 190cm and had such a strong overhead marking ability?

I'd have to go back to Voss when he went up forward?

Hopefully he does build his tank to play big mins in the midfield, but even as a forward prospect, jeez he is exciting.

Rocky up forward was a player. Not so much overhead, but contested marking one-on-one, I backed him in to mark it more often than not..

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

There was a stat during the Hawks game showing goals from turnovers. At one we had nine goals from Hawks turnovers. Not so long ago it was the other way around.

Against North 82 of our 104 points came from turnovers. That's epic.

 

[Jivlain]

Well, they're doing this by fan-voting so we might as well get into it because we know how the Vics are going to vote.

 

[Cockliff38]

AFL.com.au has Witherden and Rayner finishing third and fourth in Rising Star voting. Article here - http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-08-30/rising-star-special-our-reporters-name-their-top-five

 

[Dom PC]

I know the award means next to nothing and its just opinions etc etc. But how on earth has some reporters not got Witherden anywhere in there top 5

I think the voting system for awarding the rising star is very poor. Many better ways to do it.