Young KPP's

[Bentleigh]

• Patrick Bowden - 191cm - 4 August 1981
• Cleve Hughes - 191.9 cm - 15 Jan 1987
• Luke McGuane - 191cm - 12 February 1987
• Kelvin Moore - 190cm - 25 March 1984
• Adam Pattison - 198cm - 5 March 1986
• Graham Polak - 194cm - 16 June 1984
• Jack Riewoldt - 192.3cm -31-Oct-88
• Jay Schulz - 193 cm - 18 April 1985
• Will Thursfield - 190 cm - 19 April 1986

For so long our achilles heel, I feel this important part of our list has become alot stronger. I am quite content with our young talent and deapth in this area now; with the PSD/rookie draft to come tommororw.

At the very least, we are in a much better postion than the past.

Post-Richo is a whole lot less scary these days.

 

[stanga]

6 of your list have yet to break there way in or are untried so there is some hope for the future which is good i guess

 

[Balls of Steel]

6 of your list have yet to break there way in or are untried so there is some hope for the future which is good i guess

Agree completely. I actually think that our forward set up over the past 10 years has been so under-utilised its not funny. We never fully achieved what we should have with Richo being our bookend.

Once he goes, l have no confidence (AT THE MOMENT) that anyone of these blokes can replace the big fella.

 

[nut]

I think the quality in the midfield is more important.
As we have seen throughout Richo's career, without quality onballers and a productive game plan it doesn't matter how good your forwards are. Imagine what Richo could have acheived in the Brisbane, Port and bomber sides when they were flying.
The Game more than ever is won in the midfield. This is the path we are going down and I think it may well work. If it doesn't then we just trade for a forward and take our loses.

 

[rfctigerarmy]

Please coach Cleve Hughes right. If they do, he could be one of the best forwards in the competition. He has everything going for him.

 

[richcogs]

• 
  [*[Patrick Bowden - 191cm - 4 August 1981
  ]
• Cleve Hughes - 191.9 cm - 15 Jan 1987
• Luke McGuane - 191cm - 12 February 1987
• Kelvin Moore - 190cm - 25 March 1984
• Adam Pattison - 198cm - 5 March 1986
• Graham Polak - 194cm - 16 June 1984
• Jack Riewoldt - 192.3cm -31-Oct-88
• Jay Schulz - 193 cm - 18 April 1985
• Will Thursfield - 190 cm - 19 April 1986[/B][/B]

For so long our achilles heel, I feel this important part of our list has become alot stronger. I am quite content with our young talent and deapth in this area now; with the PSD/rookie draft to come tommororw.

At the very least, we are in a much better postion than the past.

Post-Richo is a whole lot less scary these days.

Carlton, Essendon, Hawthorn and a couple other teams have better KP prospects as we do!

 

[oasis]

• Patrick Bowden - 191cm - 4 August 1981
• Cleve Hughes - 191.9 cm - 15 Jan 1987
• Luke McGuane - 191cm - 12 February 1987
• Kelvin Moore - 190cm - 25 March 1984
• Adam Pattison - 198cm - 5 March 1986
• Graham Polak - 194cm - 16 June 1984
• Jack Riewoldt - 192.3cm -31-Oct-88
• Jay Schulz - 193 cm - 18 April 1985
• Will Thursfield - 190 cm - 19 April 1986

For so long our achilles heel, I feel this important part of our list has become alot stronger. I am quite content with our young talent and deapth in this area now; with the PSD/rookie draft to come tommororw.

At the very least, we are in a much better postion than the past.

Post-Richo is a whole lot less scary these days.

• Patrick Bowden is not a KPP he is a flanker like his brother.
• Cleve Hughes plays like Chris Tarrent, he is a third tall forward.
• McGuane - forward or back - lacks mobility and speed.
• Moore is how old and what has he done. Dud.
• Pattison won't make it in modern football, no mobility, can't kick.
• Polak has done nothing in five years. Got personal problems.
• Riewoldt was thought by Weaver a crap pick up - very slow.
• Schuzl like Polak has got talent but shows so little. Lazy.
• Thursfield is coming back from knee. Struggle for pace again.

So yes I think we should pick up some talls in this rookie draft.

 

[blxx]

Agree completely. I actually think that our forward set up over the past 10 years has been so under-utilised its not funny. We never fully achieved what we should have with Richo being our bookend.

Once he goes, l have no confidence (AT THE MOMENT) that anyone of these blokes can replace the big fella.

The two years Richo was injured were the two years our forward line actually functioned with some structure.

IMHO, Richo makes our forward line very predictable (god love the big fella) when he's not around im confident our forward line will be alot more efficient.

Oh by the way those two years i spoke about earlier were '95 and '01

 

[Richo83]

• Patrick Bowden - 191cm - 4 August 1981
• Cleve Hughes - 191.9 cm - 15 Jan 1987
• Luke McGuane - 191cm - 12 February 1987
• Kelvin Moore - 190cm - 25 March 1984
• Adam Pattison - 198cm - 5 March 1986
• Graham Polak - 194cm - 16 June 1984
• Jack Riewoldt - 192.3cm -31-Oct-88
• Jay Schulz - 193 cm - 18 April 1985
• Will Thursfield - 190 cm - 19 April 1986

For so long our achilles heel, I feel this important part of our list has become alot stronger. I am quite content with our young talent and deapth in this area now; with the PSD/rookie draft to come tommororw.

At the very least, we are in a much better postion than the past.

Post-Richo is a whole lot less scary these days.

Bowden and Moore aren't KPP. That list isn't too flash, but we're trying to ase a team around midfielders. I'd like to see more ruckmen, not one of our 8 picks this year was a ruckman.

 

[Bentleigh]

I think the quality in the midfield is more important.
As we have seen throughout Richo's career, without quality onballers and a productive game plan it doesn't matter how good your forwards are. Imagine what Richo could have acheived in the Brisbane, Port and bomber sides when they were flying.
The Game more than ever is won in the midfield. This is the path we are going down and I think it may well work. If it doesn't then we just trade for a forward and take our loses.

No doubt during the 'Wallace era' speedy midfeilders have been the no.1 priotry with KPP taking a back seat.

Carlton, Essendon, Hawthorn and a couple other teams have better KP prospects as we do!

Hawthorn certainly do. Very strong future spine.

Not too sure about the other two.

 

[Bentleigh]

• Patrick Bowden is not a KPP he is a flanker like his brother.
• Cleve Hughes plays like Chris Tarrent, he is a third tall forward.
• McGuane - forward or back - lacks mobility and speed.
• Moore is how old and what has he done. Dud.
• Pattison won't make it in modern football, no mobility, can't kick.
• Polak has done nothing in five years. Got personal problems.
• Riewoldt was thought by Weaver a crap pick up - very slow.
• Schuzl like Polak has got talent but shows so little. Lazy.
• Thursfield is coming back from knee. Struggle for pace again.

So yes I think we should pick up some talls in this rookie draft.

You only need four of them to come good, to be in your best 22. Not the entire list.

FB: Thursfield
CHB: Polak  (JON or P Bowden 3rd tall defender)
CHF: Riewoldt  (Hughes, 3rd tall forward)
FF: Schultz

Pattison is more a resting forward/ruckman than a key forward. Abit like Lade of Port.

Not too bad. If any of the others make it it's a bonus.

I think that will be the clubs blueprint for now. A quite solid spine for a side that has focused one midfeilders.

Apart from Thusty they are all first round picks.

 

[Hello Newman!]

FB: Thursfield
CHB: Polak  (JON or P Bowden 3rd tall defender
CHF: Riewoldt  (Hughes, 3rd tall forward)
FF: Schultz

Agreed, like the looks of that for the future

 

[lids2004roar]

Future spine:

FB: Thursfield Backup: Moore (?.. trained on Browny)

CHB: Polak (first round pick) Backup: JON (first round pick)

CHF: Riewoldt (first round pick) Backup: Pattison (first round pick)

FF: Schultz (first round pick) Backup: Hughes (second round pick)


Who said we don't have quality talls coming through the ranks?

We have Five first round KKPs (one being JON though) and one second rounder (who was expected to go 1st round anyway). Thursfield should be a decent player so even the speculative picks are paying off.

Then there's Nathan Brown who can play FF and he is IMO our best player.

And on top of that we have Kingsley for insurance and guidance until these stars shine.

And don't even mention the fact that Richardson can play for another 3-4 years!!

Our midfield depth will win the game anyway, this high quality pool of talent Richmond have is scary.

 

[richcogs]

• Patrick Bowden is not a KPP he is a flanker like his brother.
• Cleve Hughes plays like Chris Tarrent, he is a third tall forward.
• McGuane - forward or back - lacks mobility and speed.
• Moore is how old and what has he done. Dud.
• Pattison won't make it in modern football, no mobility, can't kick.
• Polak has done nothing in five years. Got personal problems.
• Riewoldt was thought by Weaver a crap pick up - very slow.
• Schuzl like Polak has got talent but shows so little. Lazy.
• Thursfield is coming back from knee. Struggle for pace again.

So yes I think we should pick up some talls in this rookie draft.

Totally agree with what you´ve written.
SChlutz and Polak, after a couple years in the big league haven´t really done or showed much!
Pattison well we´ve all seen how he moves!
McGuane never played a senior game!
Riewoldt: hope he´s the next big thing! but really don´t know???

If you guys think that´s quality look at some of these better future KP prospects!

Roughead
Franklin
Meesen
Bate
Dunn
Wood
Willits (will be a gun next year wished we took him over Pattison!)
Kennedy
Dowler
Ryder
Birchall
Gumbleton
Hansen
Thorp
Reid
Brown
Sellar

when you want to talk about a GOOD young KP team: Hawthorn (Roughead, Franklin, Birchall, Thorp) Potential!!!!!!!!

 

[duckboy]

Roughead
Franklin
Meesen
Bate
Dunn
Wood
Willits (will be a gun next year wished we took him over Pattison!)
Kennedy
Dowler
Ryder
Birchall
Gumbleton
Hansen
Thorp
Reid
Brown
Sellar

when you want to talk about a GOOD young KP team: Hawthorn (Roughead, Franklin, Birchall, Thorp) Potential!!!!!!!!

Whats the point of mentioning all of the players listed above? Besides Roughy and Franklin, Sellar and Birchall nearly all were taken well before Richmonds 1st pick in their respective drafts. Besdies Birchall and Bate are big flankers, not genuine KPP's.

 

[R.I.P Jack Dyer]

although birchall is listed as being 191.9cm...i wouldnt really list him as a KPP...more a running tall half back

he is an absoulute star though....and as for hawthorn...i think they're going to be the next brisbane, the next afl POWERHOUSE

 

[Tambo]

McGuane never played a senior game!

Lie.

 

[Tigerbob]

Whats the point of mentioning all of the players listed above? Besides Roughy and Franklin, Sellar and Birchall nearly all were taken well before Richmonds 1st pick in their respective drafts. Besdies Birchall and Bate are big flankers, not genuine KPP's.

Roughead has proved nothing. Franklin is explosive then goes missing, hardly plays like a true KPP, Bate has shown signs but non more so than our up and comers, and the rest on your list haven't proved jack all..

Im getting bored of this KPP talk, we've recruited fantastically well since the dawn of Terry and Miller, we will be a force....

 

[Bentleigh]

Totally agree with what you´ve written.
SChlutz and Polak, after a couple years in the big league haven´t really done or showed much!
Pattison well we´ve all seen how he moves!
McGuane never played a senior game!
Riewoldt: hope he´s the next big thing! but really don´t know???

If you guys think that´s quality look at some of these better future KP prospects!

Roughead
Franklin
Meesen
Bate
Dunn
Wood
Willits (will be a gun next year wished we took him over Pattison!)
Kennedy
Dowler
Ryder
Birchall
Gumbleton
Hansen
Thorp
Reid
Brown
Sellar

when you want to talk about a GOOD young KP team: Hawthorn (Roughead, Franklin, Birchall, Thorp) Potential!!!!!!!!

Schultz was draft 2002, Polak 2001. In KPP terms, they are both still babies.

Pattison doesn't move very well but he is made of 'the right stuff'. Will end up a solid footballer.

McGuane has already played a senior game.

Riewoldt & Hughes could be good player. Potential is there.

Making a list of the best young KPP players in the AFL that are not at Richmond is pretty stupid.

Hawthorn have the best young KPP in the league by a fair way IMO. No use comparing us to them. On the other hand - we would be as good as any other team I reckon.

 

[Weaver]

Im getting bored of this KPP talk, we've recruited fantastically well since the dawn of Terry and Miller, we will be a force....

You can't have it both ways. Can't use early picks to build a midfield-led team and still have early picks for KP players.

Have to make a choice.

Go tall. Go quick. Go for a blend.

We have made our decision and I am comfortable with it. We are building a team that can run and will dominate the running / transition game than will be king for the next 10 years.

Some of the teams that have gone for a blend will be neither fish nor foul.

Hawthorn might yet be proven right - and us wrong. But for now they will be like the Saints. Great KP at either end and a 4 man midfield to get the ball to them.

I'd back our 15 man midfield to leave Franklin, Thorp and co fetching their knitting so they have something to do in the second half as the ball never comes near them.

 

[Ando_4]

The two years Richo was injured were the two years our forward line actually functioned with some structure.

IMHO, Richo makes our forward line very predictable (god love the big fella) when he's not around im confident our forward line will be alot more efficient.

Oh by the way those two years i spoke about earlier were '95 and '01

Finals years.

Interestingly we have a higher winning percentage during his career when he hasn't been in the side. Make of that what you will...

 

[santa claws]

You can't have it both ways. Can't use early picks to build a midfield-led team and still have early picks for KP players.

Have to make a choice.

Go tall. Go quick. Go for a blend.

We have made our decision and I am comfortable with it. We are building a team that can run and will dominate the running / transition game than will be king for the next 10 years.

Some of the teams that have gone for a blend will be neither fish nor foul.

Hawthorn might yet be proven right - and us wrong. But for now they will be like the Saints. Great KP at either end and a 4 man midfield to get the ball to them.

I'd back our 15 man midfield to leave Franklin, Thorp and co fetching their knitting so they have something to do in the second half as the ball never comes near them.

i disagree i have never yet seen a well rounded footy team who are defensively sound not win a premiership. hawthorn imo are in front of us. the only two young kpp players i have any faith in are riedwoldt and hughes.

 

[Fishfinger]

i disagree i have never yet seen a well rounded footy team who are defensively sound not win a premiership. hawthorn imo are in front of us.

Yep, Zac Dawson and Josh Thurgood are just defensively sound as you can be.

 

[Weaver]

i disagree i have never yet seen a well rounded footy team who are defensively sound not win a premiership. hawthorn imo are in front of us. the only two young kpp players i have any faith in are riedwoldt and hughes.

Sydney won a premiership with one KP player in Barry Hall and a mobile ruckman in Goodes. Leo Barry at 184cm is hardly a towering presence, and O'Keefe, Bolton, O'Loughlin, Kennelly are exactly the types we have been recruiting.

Port Adelaide won in 2004 with Wakelin, Bishop and Chad Cornes in the key defense spots. Hardly a super-star and Cornes is the model for Joel Bowden as a CHB.

Essendon won with Dean Wallis at CHB. He was no better than Ray Hall.

Adelaide won their back-to-back premierships with Darren Jarman at FF. Those premiership teams boasted such KP 'star's as Peter Caven, David Pittman, Shane Ellen, Matt Robran.

The Roos won with Ian Fairley, Mick Martyn, Mark 'the Fridge' Roberts, Darren Crocker, Matt Capuano, Craig Scholl providing the support to Archer, Carey and McKernan.

You need a couple of decent big blokes but premiership teams are littered with C-grade big blokes doing a job.

 

[rfctigerarmy]

If push comes to shove, I can always play CHB in the grand final... I dont mind.