Prediction Your 2019 Best 22? (Post Trade Period)

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Murphy borderline for finals 2020 but would be happy if he makes it. Cuningham was a mistake. Should be in (hopefully)

As for LeBois that's just my wish. Long odds though
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Would be a bit gutting for Murph to miss out on finals if we do get there at the end of ‘20 given all the tough times he’s been through.
Would love for him to be a part of at least one more finals campaign before he hangs them up. I’m thinking a good injury run and perhaps playing predominantly in the forward line instead of the midfield will afford him that opportunity.
 

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Newman was a prescient pickup ( now that Doch is out again) and if Fasolo performs to ability both plug some experience gaps in key positions that needed cover.
If the coaching staff can get some working system to get the ball out of defensive 50 and into the hands of some of the classy mids - it will be game on every game because Charlie /McGovern and Harry will be a handful for any defense.

I will be watching to see who is going to run the ball out of the defensive 50/who will be tasked with the kick in duties and who is capable of launching fast counter-attack with long kicks to advantage - saw none of this at AFL levels in 2018 - with the exception of LoB on occasions he was played back as a HBFer. No excuses for Weitering/Marchbank/Jones or Plowman from here on in - they've had enough time to settle.

A fit Kennedy/Ed/ Dow and Cripps alongside Kreuzer is all the grunt required to at least even up set play clearances - especially center ball bounces. I'm really excited to see a fit Setterfield announce himself in due course along with Stocker. Walsh/SPS/Fisher/Murphy should all be freed up for running and distributing duties in 2019 - I think we are well stocked with talent as receivers and runners.

Bolton's job is to get the best out of the talent assembled during a period of absolute misery over the last few years - I for one will be out of excuses for Bolton - given what he has to work with in 2019 compared to last year. Hopefully the so-called too complicated to understand game plan is ditched for a more accountable and freed up 'vibe' in 2019. I want the side to focus as much on scoring as defending - and the real pressure to be on midfield performances - plenty of blokes will be feeling the pressure to perform.

My side for round 1 - will be different to the side I hope will be playing each week after the bye...

Round One:

Plowman Jones Marchbank
Simpson Weitering Newman
Cuningham Cripps LoB
Kreuzer Kennedy Dow
Fisher Charlie Murphy
McGovern Harry Fasolo

IC: SPS, Walsh, Williamson, Thomas

I'm thinking the only player(s) who might change this line up due to preseason form and fitness might be: Garlett/Setterfield/SOJ for Cuningham/Marchbank

I'm very happy to think that Lobbe/Phillips will be fit and ready if /when Kreuzer goes down and even happier to think that some watchers who rate DeKonig highly might see him surprise everyone in 2019. I also suspect big Levi hasn't played his last AFL game - Harry will have to perform.

Those who think Thomas is is passed it- might get surprised to see a fit Thomas actually be more useful playing to a more talented midfield - he could have a huge year as a genuine utility - same for Murph.

8-10 wins is the benchmark : Suns/Saints/Norfs/Doggies/Fremantle/Brisbane - all winnable based on lists. Off days from Sydney/Hawforn see them added.

No excuses for blowout losses - they will be coach killers and rightly so.
 

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Newman was a prescient pickup ( now that Doch is out again) and if Fasolo performs to ability both plug some experience gaps in key positions that needed cover.
If the coaching staff can get some working system to get the ball out of defensive 50 and into the hands of some of the classy mids - it will be game on every game because Charlie /McGovern and Harry will be a handful for any defense.

I will be watching to see who is going to run the ball out of the defensive 50/who will be tasked with the kick in duties and who is capable of launching fast counter-attack with long kicks to advantage - saw none of this at AFL levels in 2018 - with the exception of LoB on occasions he was played back as a HBFer. No excuses for Weitering/Marchbank/Jones or Plowman from here on in - they've had enough time to settle.

A fit Kennedy/Ed/ Dow and Cripps alongside Kreuzer is all the grunt required to at least even up set play clearances - especially center ball bounces. I'm really excited to see a fit Setterfield announce himself in due course along with Stocker. Walsh/SPS/Fisher/Murphy should all be freed up for running and distributing duties in 2019 - I think we are well stocked with talent as receivers and runners.

Bolton's job is to get the best out of the talent assembled during a period of absolute misery over the last few years - I for one will be out of excuses for Bolton - given what he has to work with in 2019 compared to last year. Hopefully the so-called too complicated to understand game plan is ditched for a more accountable and freed up 'vibe' in 2019. I want the side to focus as much on scoring as defending - and the real pressure to be on midfield performances - plenty of blokes will be feeling the pressure to perform.

My side for round 1 - will be different to the side I hope will be playing each week after the bye...

Round One:

Plowman Jones Marchbank
Simpson Weitering Newman
Cuningham Cripps LoB
Kreuzer Kennedy Dow
Fisher Charlie Murphy
McGovern Harry Fasolo

IC: SPS, Walsh, Williamson, Thomas

I'm thinking the only player(s) who might change this line up due to preseason form and fitness might be: Garlett/Setterfield/SOJ for Cuningham/Marchbank

I'm very happy to think that Lobbe/Phillips will be fit and ready if /when Kreuzer goes down and even happier to think that some watchers who rate DeKonig highly might see him surprise everyone in 2019. I also suspect big Levi hasn't played his last AFL game - Harry will have to perform.

Those who think Thomas is is passed it- might get surprised to see a fit Thomas actually be more useful playing to a more talented midfield - he could have a huge year as a genuine utility - same for Murph.

8-10 wins is the benchmark : Suns/Saints/Norfs/Doggies/Fremantle/Brisbane - all winnable based on lists. Off days from Sydney/Hawforn see them added.

No excuses for blowout losses - they will be coach killers and rightly so.
Great summary. Completely agree.
Add in Cats to the off day list and Bombers to the beatable teams.
 

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Newman was a prescient pickup ( now that Doch is out again) and if Fasolo performs to ability both plug some experience gaps in key positions that needed cover.
If the coaching staff can get some working system to get the ball out of defensive 50 and into the hands of some of the classy mids - it will be game on every game because Charlie /McGovern and Harry will be a handful for any defense.

I will be watching to see who is going to run the ball out of the defensive 50/who will be tasked with the kick in duties and who is capable of launching fast counter-attack with long kicks to advantage - saw none of this at AFL levels in 2018 - with the exception of LoB on occasions he was played back as a HBFer. No excuses for Weitering/Marchbank/Jones or Plowman from here on in - they've had enough time to settle.

A fit Kennedy/Ed/ Dow and Cripps alongside Kreuzer is all the grunt required to at least even up set play clearances - especially center ball bounces. I'm really excited to see a fit Setterfield announce himself in due course along with Stocker. Walsh/SPS/Fisher/Murphy should all be freed up for running and distributing duties in 2019 - I think we are well stocked with talent as receivers and runners.

Bolton's job is to get the best out of the talent assembled during a period of absolute misery over the last few years - I for one will be out of excuses for Bolton - given what he has to work with in 2019 compared to last year. Hopefully the so-called too complicated to understand game plan is ditched for a more accountable and freed up 'vibe' in 2019. I want the side to focus as much on scoring as defending - and the real pressure to be on midfield performances - plenty of blokes will be feeling the pressure to perform.

My side for round 1 - will be different to the side I hope will be playing each week after the bye...

Round One:

Plowman Jones Marchbank
Simpson Weitering Newman
Cuningham Cripps LoB
Kreuzer Kennedy Dow
Fisher Charlie Murphy
McGovern Harry Fasolo

IC: SPS, Walsh, Williamson, Thomas

I'm thinking the only player(s) who might change this line up due to preseason form and fitness might be: Garlett/Setterfield/SOJ for Cuningham/Marchbank

I'm very happy to think that Lobbe/Phillips will be fit and ready if /when Kreuzer goes down and even happier to think that some watchers who rate DeKonig highly might see him surprise everyone in 2019. I also suspect big Levi hasn't played his last AFL game - Harry will have to perform.

Those who think Thomas is is passed it- might get surprised to see a fit Thomas actually be more useful playing to a more talented midfield - he could have a huge year as a genuine utility - same for Murph.

8-10 wins is the benchmark : Suns/Saints/Norfs/Doggies/Fremantle/Brisbane - all winnable based on lists. Off days from Sydney/Hawforn see them added.

No excuses for blowout losses - they will be coach killers and rightly so.
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Great summary. Completely agree.
Add in Cats to the off day list and Bombers to the beatable teams.
I think Shiel is an awesome get for the bummers and along with a fit Daniher - who everyone loves to underrate - they will be a strong side.
Geelong? They are scratching and scrabbling to stay relevant alongside Hawforn and Sydney - too many good players to be an expected win - this year.
 

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I think Shiel is an awesome get for the bummers and along with a fit Daniher - who everyone loves to underrate - they will be a strong side.
Geelong? They are scratching and scrabbling to stay relevant alongside Hawforn and Sydney - too many good players to be an expected win - this year.
Don't think Geelong are an expected win but they are the same as Dorks and Swans.

Really looking forward to hopefully a freer game plan and attacking footy from the baggers this year. 6-8 wins is a fair benchmark. Think with all the options we have in terms of depth it will make it very interesting to see it all mesh together.
 

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I think Shiel is an awesome get for the bummers and along with a fit Daniher - who everyone loves to underrate - they will be a strong side.
Geelong? They are scratching and scrabbling to stay relevant alongside Hawforn and Sydney - too many good players to be an expected win - this year.
where's my mongrel thread? or can't you find enough material to work with? ffs..........
 

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where's my mongrel thread? or can't you find enough material to work with? ffs..........
We have to be very scientific and very precise about this matter - because there are a lot of people who think mongrel is a bad thing and that dietary fiber and wot not is what it is all about. You see there is the burden of Millenial Philosophies unburdened by actually ever having to go hungry for anything that overshadows every discussion about what it really takes to beat someone else who wants to win too.
 

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We have to be very scientific and very precise about this matter - because there are a lot of people who think mongrel is a bad thing and that dietary fiber and wot not is what it is all about. You see there is the burden of Millenial Philosophies unburdened by actually ever having to go hungry for anything that overshadows every discussion about what it really takes to beat someone else who wants to win too.
Just for your info, there is no dietary fiber in nails #Mongreldiet
 

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Best 22 going into Round 1

FB: LIAM JONES JACOB WEITERING TOM WILLIAMSON
HB: KADE SIMPSON CALEB MARCHBANK LACHIE PLOWMAN
C: SAM WALSH PATRICK CRIPPS LACHIE OBRIEN
HF: ZAC FISHER CHARLIE CURNOW MARC MURPHY
FF: PADDY DOW HARRY MCKAY MITCH MCGOVERN
R: MATTHEW KREUZER SAM PETREVSKI SETON MATTHEW KENNEDY
INT: JACK SILVAGNI WILL SETTERFIELD ED CURNOW TOM DEKONING
Why are you YELLING?

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Newman was a prescient pickup ( now that Doch is out again) and if Fasolo performs to ability both plug some experience gaps in key positions that needed cover.
If the coaching staff can get some working system to get the ball out of defensive 50 and into the hands of some of the classy mids - it will be game on every game because Charlie /McGovern and Harry will be a handful for any defense.

I will be watching to see who is going to run the ball out of the defensive 50/who will be tasked with the kick in duties and who is capable of launching fast counter-attack with long kicks to advantage - saw none of this at AFL levels in 2018 - with the exception of LoB on occasions he was played back as a HBFer. No excuses for Weitering/Marchbank/Jones or Plowman from here on in - they've had enough time to settle.

A fit Kennedy/Ed/ Dow and Cripps alongside Kreuzer is all the grunt required to at least even up set play clearances - especially center ball bounces. I'm really excited to see a fit Setterfield announce himself in due course along with Stocker. Walsh/SPS/Fisher/Murphy should all be freed up for running and distributing duties in 2019 - I think we are well stocked with talent as receivers and runners.

Bolton's job is to get the best out of the talent assembled during a period of absolute misery over the last few years - I for one will be out of excuses for Bolton - given what he has to work with in 2019 compared to last year. Hopefully the so-called too complicated to understand game plan is ditched for a more accountable and freed up 'vibe' in 2019. I want the side to focus as much on scoring as defending - and the real pressure to be on midfield performances - plenty of blokes will be feeling the pressure to perform.

My side for round 1 - will be different to the side I hope will be playing each week after the bye...

Round One:

Plowman Jones Marchbank
Simpson Weitering Newman
Cuningham Cripps LoB
Kreuzer Kennedy Dow
Fisher Charlie Murphy
McGovern Harry Fasolo

IC: SPS, Walsh, Williamson, Thomas

I'm thinking the only player(s) who might change this line up due to preseason form and fitness might be: Garlett/Setterfield/SOJ for Cuningham/Marchbank

I'm very happy to think that Lobbe/Phillips will be fit and ready if /when Kreuzer goes down and even happier to think that some watchers who rate DeKonig highly might see him surprise everyone in 2019. I also suspect big Levi hasn't played his last AFL game - Harry will have to perform.

Those who think Thomas is is passed it- might get surprised to see a fit Thomas actually be more useful playing to a more talented midfield - he could have a huge year as a genuine utility - same for Murph.

8-10 wins is the benchmark : Suns/Saints/Norfs/Doggies/Fremantle/Brisbane - all winnable based on lists. Off days from Sydney/Hawforn see them added.

No excuses for blowout losses - they will be coach killers and rightly so.
Completely agree on every front.

I actually have very little else to add.

It will be very interesting to see how we approach the new rules for this year. Who will be responsible for running the ball out of the square ? I think that's an area we may struggle in. With the new rules you want someone fast who has a long accurate kick.

Docherty would have been earmarked but now I'm thinking Willo or perhaps Garlett? Newman and Simpson are neat kicks but are not super quick or very long in their range. Lochie O'Brien will no doubt take a few but we lack players that Essendon have e.g. Saad and McKenna. Could do with Touhey back now please Geelong.
 
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I will stick with the belief that Bolton wanted them to work hard down back. To learn to fight and scramble for a way out and use their brains instead of some predictable formula for kicking out. And he knows damn well that means we look sillly at times but that is part of the price of a full rebuild. That is one reason why I am not too concerned with that work in progress. The other reason is that as our stocks rise across the field, the ball wont go in our backline as much.
 
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We have to be very scientific and very precise about this matter - because there are a lot of people who think mongrel is a bad thing and that dietary fiber and wot not is what it is all about. You see there is the burden of Millenial Philosophies unburdened by actually ever having to go hungry for anything that overshadows every discussion about what it really takes to beat someone else who wants to win too.
Kane Lucas wants you to get the hard ball for him. If you can polish it too before handing it to him, he would appreciate it very much and would like to buy you a vanilla latte.

Since his retirement, Kane has been on the talking circuit discussing the topic, 'footsteps and you'.
 
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Kane Lucas wants you to get the hard ball for him. If you can polish it too before handing it to him, he would appreciate it very much and would like to buy you a vanilla latte.

Since his retirement, Kane has been on the talking circuit discussing the topic, 'footsteps and you'.
I think its better to not make one player the scapegoat for long term systemic failure
 
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I think its better to not make one player the scapegoat for long term systemic failure
Right you are. Systemic failure and Carlton does seem a match.

But 2019 is a new DAWN! We have offloaded the vanilla latte types. THIS IS OUR TIME BLUE!

WHs and his vanilla latte players are goneski!
 

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Mongrel isn't the only 'trait' required to play at elite levels - AFL is a running game and a kicking and handballing and tackling game - skills gets you entre- mongrel gets you through opponents equally talented.

That and a sense of humour.

So was Robinson in my view....yet some would say he had some mongrel. Though not me.

I guess what we want is mongrel with some decent skill. Hoping we may have a few of those now.
 
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I just marvel at WHs legacy!
I will always say it goes right back to when they made Brittain coach. Despite the fact we fluked a grandfinal. The arrogance of Elliot created a culture for it all to go wrong. And oh boy did it ever. Almost 2 decades of bad decisions and no leadership. No wonder the wrong players were selected and then failed en masse.
 

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We have to talk about Dale!

I know there are a lot of posters with Thomas in their best 22 but for me he does not make it, unless for injuries during the season.

I feel Thomas is too slow for half back, can’t get any seperation and so kicks under pressure, simply transferring the pressure to a team mate. This then leads to turnovers. He only landed two tackles a game in 2018. He is average in our team overhead and is a less than average kick, in terms of creativity and effectiveness.

In the forward half his lack of pace creates no pressure as the opposing team exits and as above he gets little seperation for his average marking. He is not a reliable kick for goal.

Surely this is the year with a best 22 fit and our new recruits and returning players, we go past him, forward and back.

He is wily and great around the club I believe. He has experience, but I don’t believe these qualities warrant him playing best 22 with the limitations above.
I also don't rate Daisy - sure he can get some kicks, he is smart enough but the problem is those kicks are not good enough - I think we need creative, line breaking half backs otherwise we will continue to be a team who just don't convert on the scoreboard, the only reason he will play games is because he is smart and some kids may not get the structure/ game plan.

My points of difference in 2018 are thus (bold):
- more mobile backline (no Rowe) with Williamson adding mobility but not lacking height and the left peg will be important
- Newman to be a flexible utility, Cuningham is probably the only alternative hb in the twos
- McGovern will demand defenders pay attention and I just hope he can provide some guidance to Charlie & H
- our forward line pressure and conversion is critical to our success going forward, Bugg and Fasolo are our only proven small/medium forwards and must take their 2nd/3rd chance because we don't have much in the twos unless Polson can turn his pressure into pressure & conversion
- note Setterfield appears too good for our twos but I feel only 2 of Cripps, Kennedy and Setterfield should be in the team and Setterfield has more to prove - run from Walsh and O'Brien is required and Ed has the two way run required until our midfield builds their tanks

My Best 22 for 2019 with no Doc and Pickett struggling to get fit:

B: Plowman Jones Simpson
HB: Marchbank Weitering Williamson
C: SPS Cripps Murphy
HF: McGovern Charlie O'Brien
F: Fasolo McKay Bugg
Foll: Kruezer Dow Fisher
Int: Newman Walsh Curnow Kennedy


Reserves (Northern Blues):

B: Garlett Goddard BSOS
HB: Thomas Macreadie Schumacher
C: Finbar Stocker Cuningham
HF: Lang Casboult Silvagni
F: TDK Kerr LeBois
Foll: Phillips Setterfield Polson
Int: Lobbe Owies


Emerg: Pickett
 
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Plowman----Weitering----Simpson
Newman----Marchbank--Williamson
SPS---------P Cripps------Murphy
McGovern--C Curnow-----Fisher
Fasolo------- Mckay---- Cuningham

Kruezer ----Kennedy----Dow

LOB, Walsh, Curnow, Lang/Bugg (or Setterfield preferred if ready)

Have LOB and Walsh on the bench. i'd prefer only one of them and go for the more mature players and the win.
 
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