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I know its still over a month and a bit away from starting but I was bored and thought who you would put in the side.

here are the choices

1. Michael Bevan NSW
2. Andrew Bichel QLD
3. Greg Blewett SA
4. Nathan Bracken NSW
5. Ryan Campbell WA
6. Stuart Clark NSW
7. Michael Clarke NSW
8. Adam Gilchrist WA
9. Jason Gillespie SA
10. Brad Haddin NSW
11. Ian Harvey VIC
12. Nathan Hauritz QLD
13. Matthew Hayden QLD
14. Mark Higgs SA
15. Brad Hogg WA
16. Michael Hussey WA
17. Justin Langer WA
18. Brett Lee NSW
19. Darren Lehmann SA
20. Jimmy Maher QLD
21. Damien Martyn WA
22. Glenn McGrath NSW
23. Ashley Noffke QLD
24. Ricky Ponting TAS
25. Andrew Symonds QLD
26. Shane Warne VIC
27. Shane Watson TAS
28. Cameron White VIC
29. Brad Williams WA
30. Damien Wright TAS

My team in next post
 
Ricky Ponting - C
Adam Gilchrist - VC
Michael Bevan
Andy Bichel
Ryan Campbell
Jason Gillespie
Nathan Hauritz
Matty Hayden
Brett Lee
Darren Lehmann
Jimmy Maher
Damien Martyn
Glenn McGrath
Shane Warne - I reckon he will make it
Shane Watson

Opinions welcome!!
 
1. Gilchrist
2. Hayden
3. Ponting
4. Martyn
5. Lehmann
6. Bevan
7. Watson
8. Warne
9. Lee
10. Gillespie
11. McGrath

12. Bichel (spare bowler)
13. Maher (spare batter)
14. Greg Blewett (spare allrounder)
15. MacGill (spare spinner)

unluckies:

Ryan Campbell
Ashley Noffke
Michael Clarke

** if Warne isn't fit, MacGill must go. MacGill has some shazam, wheras Hauritz and Hogg never look like they are going to take a wicket, yet alone win a match off their own backs.

*** I left a spare keeper out for this reason: If Warne plays, he may not be fully recovered or may have a relapse. Therefore a spare spinner is a must. Also, Watson is much more susceptible to poor form and confidence than Gilly is, so the need for a backup allrounder is more feasible than a backup keeper. Ponting can keep if Gilly is out for one or two.

The MacGill choice is a long shot, and I don't think the selectors will go that way, but I prefer him ahead of the other spinners.
 

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Matthew Hayden
Adam Gilchrist
Ricky Ponting
Damien Martyn
Michael Clarke
Michael Bevan
Greg Blewett
Shane Warne
Brett Lee
Jason Gillespie
Glenn McGrath

Few changes with the inclusions of Blewett and Clarke. I think Blewett would provide more value with the bat than Watson, and could be just as handy with the ball. I included Clarke because he is a young gun and would really benefit from World Cup experience. He is awesome with the bat, can bowl some part time spinners, and is good in the field. Also hoping the great man can overcome his shoulder problem and retain his place in the side.
 
Hayden - opener
Gilchrist - all-rounder
Ponting - best ODI batsman in the world
Bevan - must bat at 4.
Martyn - scores too slowly for my liking.
Lehmann - handy with bat and ball.
Blewett - utility player who could be a match-winner.
Lee - If only he batted more consistently, he'd be the all-rounder.
Warne - hope he's fit.
Gillespie - must stay fit.
McGrath - spearhead.

Maher
- very unlucky not to be in the starting team. Would personally prefer him to Martyn

Watson
- Taken as experience, but the maturity of Blewett preferred in the team.

Campbell
- As insurance. You need a first-pick keeper, not someone filling in in case of injury. Could also play against some weaker teams, and provide secondary batting back-up.

Bichel
- Very likely to play, especially if Warne is out, or Lee is too expensive.

No need for a back-up spinner. Either Warnie plays or we go in with an all pace attack on the seaming pitches of South Africa.
 
Originally posted by bluechampion
Hayden - opener
Gilchrist - all-rounder
Ponting - best ODI batsman in the world
Bevan - must bat at 4.
Martyn - scores too slowly for my liking.
Lehmann - handy with bat and ball.
Blewett - utility player who could be a match-winner.
Lee - If only he batted more consistently, he'd be the all-rounder.
Warne - hope he's fit.
Gillespie - must stay fit.
McGrath - spearhead.

Maher
- very unlucky not to be in the starting team. Would personally prefer him to Martyn
How about we change that to 'scores to slowly for my perception of fast scoring ODI batsman'.

AC Gilchrist 146 141 5 4684 154 34.44 90.56 8 26 203 34
DS Lehmann 83 75 16 2128 110* 36.06 81.12 2 11 16 -
DR Martyn 106 89 29 2388 144* 39.80 78.55 3 11 37 -
RT Ponting 150 149 19 5411 145 41.62 76.49 10 30 50 -
MG Bevan 188 162 55 5810 108* 54.29 75.18 6 38 61 -
ML Hayden 47 44 6 1602 146 42.15 75.74 2 12 19 -
JP Maher 14 10 2 249 95 31.12 68.40 - 1 6 -

Seems that if some people don't see a ODI batsman come in and start hitting boundaries from ball one they assume that batsman is a slow scorer.
 
Originally posted by bluechampion
Hayden - opener
Gilchrist - all-rounder
Ponting - best ODI batsman in the world
Bevan - must bat at 4.
Martyn - scores too slowly for my liking.
Lehmann - handy with bat and ball.
Blewett - utility player who could be a match-winner.
Lee - If only he batted more consistently, he'd be the all-rounder.
Warne - hope he's fit.
Gillespie - must stay fit.
McGrath - spearhead.
Strongly disagree here. Bevan's unique spot in the team is to get us out of trouble and that usually means batting with the tail. He has to be flexible, but in saying that, most circumstances will see him come in at around no 6.

It isn't as simple as saying, "Bevan has the best average and therefore must bat 4". His batting position isn't about his average, it's about what suits the team as a whole best. And that is at about #6.
 
Considering everyone is fit:

Batting order

1 - Matthew Hayden
2 - Adam Gilchrist
3 - Ricky Ponting
4 - Michael Bevan
5 - Damian Martin
6 - Darren Lehmann
7 - Shane Warne
8 - Brett Lee
9 - Jason Gillespie
10 - Glenn Mcgrath

11th - Justin Langer

12 - Greg Blewett
13 - Shane Watson
14 - Andrew Symmonds
15 - Jimmy Maher
 
Originally posted by X_box_X
Considering everyone is fit:

Batting order

1 - Matthew Hayden
2 - Adam Gilchrist
3 - Ricky Ponting
4 - Michael Bevan
5 - Damian Martin
6 - Darren Lehmann
7 - Shane Warne
8 - Brett Lee
9 - Jason Gillespie
10 - Glenn Mcgrath

11th - Justin Langer

12 - Greg Blewett
13 - Shane Watson
14 - Andrew Symmonds
15 - Jimmy Maher

Yes, I agree. I would definately have Langer batting at 11 (or is that 11th man?). I wouldn't have a back up bowler either. Or maybe I would bring in say Seccombe as a back up bowler. He really gets some pace up you know.
 
1. Matthew Hayden
2. Adam Gilchirst
3. Ricky Ponting
4. Micheal Bevan
5. Micheal Clarke
6. Darren Lehmann
7. Andrew Symonds
8. Shane Warne
9. Brett Lee
10. Jason Gillspie
11. Glenn McGrath
12. Ashley Noffke
13. Mark Higgs
14. Grey Blewett
15. Jimmy Maher
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Ryan Campbell
*Reserve Keeper*
 
I notice that most people prefer bevan at #4. Can someone give me a reason why he should bat #4 instead of #6? This includes justifying who and why the new #6 is.
 
Originally posted by KevinPoulsen
1. Matthew Hayden
2. Adam Gilchirst
3. Ricky Ponting
4. Micheal Bevan
5. Micheal Clarke
6. Darren Lehmann
7. Andrew Symonds
8. Shane Warne
9. Brett Lee
10. Jason Gillspie
11. Glenn McGrath
12. Ashley Noffke
13. Mark Higgs
14. Grey Blewett
15. Jimmy Maher
--------
Ryan Campbell
*Reserve Keeper*
You wouldn't even take Martyn with you?

The guy averages just under 40 with a strike rate just under 80.
 
Originally posted by larrikin
You wouldn't even take Martyn with you?

The guy averages just under 40 with a strike rate just under 80.

You mean you haven't noticed that people have their 'favourites' and 'not so favourites' and this will mould their opinions more than talent and form.

It seems that only sandgropers, selectors, and statistics rate Martyn.
 

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I've noticed that most people who I would consider as 'clued up' usually give a reason to justify what they think. Others just just seem to think stuff without even justifying to themselves first.

I'm still waiting for someone to justify why having Bevan at #4 and someone else at #6 is a better option than having Bevan at #6 and someone else at #4?
 
Australian Squad

1. Hayden
2. Gilchrist
3. Ponting
4. Martyn
5. Lehmann
6. Bevan
7. Watson
8. Warne (*)
9. Lee
10. Gillespie
11. McGrath

i.e current team

12. Bichel (Spare Bowler)
13. Symonds (Spare All-Rounder)
14. Maher (Spare Batsman)
15. Noffke (Spare Bowler)

(*) MacGill
 
Interesting thoughts guys, keep them coming!. Just wondering why some of you dont have somebody like a Ryan Campbell or a Brad Haddin in your side. What happens if Gilchrist is hurt (touch wood), who would do the wicketkeeping if he has to sit out a game or two??
 
reasoning.

Originally posted by bunsen burner
I've noticed that most people who I would consider as 'clued up' usually give a reason to justify what they think. Others just just seem to think stuff without even justifying to themselves first.

I'm still waiting for someone to justify why having Bevan at #4 and someone else at #6 is a better option than having Bevan at #6 and someone else at #4?

I simply do not like his (Martyn's) style of play. It occurs to me that he soaks up too many balls at the start of an innings. Certainly, he scores faster as he progresses, and usually ends up at run-a-ball by the end (much like Bevan), but i still don't like him.

This is a personal preference, but you'd be a fool to think that the selectors don't have personal favourites too.

I do not believe that Bevan and Martyn work in the same team, as they play a similar game. But Bevan has the runs on the board (literally), and the experience in crunch situations. This is not to say that he (Martyn) is not a good ODI batsman, but my preference would be to not include him.

I personally named Bevan at 4 because I believe he benefits from the chance to play his own innings, not have it dictated. If you'll notice, my batting line up is quite long, and while i did not state it earlier (i have in other posts this last week or so), but i believe in flexibility. If then top three go out cheaply, then Blewett moves up the order. If it's 1-220 in the 45th over then Lee comes in to have a go. But, as is the tradition, Batsmen nbeed to be named in an order. I went with Bevan at 4.

At six I have Lehmann, but I'm not really happy with it. Like Martyn and Bevan he would be at his best at 4, but cannot be.


On another topic, I have noticed that many people are finding room for Symonds in ther squad. This is madness. He is the most erratic cricketer alive, and does not deserve the trip after wasting so many chances.
 
Originally posted by RoosLuver
Interesting thoughts guys, keep them coming!. Just wondering why some of you dont have somebody like a Ryan Campbell or a Brad Haddin in your side. What happens if Gilchrist is hurt (touch wood), who would do the wicketkeeping if he has to sit out a game or two??
Ponting if he is out for 1 or 2, Campbell if he is out for the rest of the cup.

It seems there are two choices:

1) Take the risk that Gilly doesn't get injured and take a spare spinner. The logic being that Warnie is much more likely to break down than Gilly. If Gilly goes down, Ponting will have to do.

Risky, but calculated

2) Take Campbell (or Haddin) and don't worry about the second spinner. The logic being that the SA pitches aren't spin friendly, so if Warne goes down, he gets replaced by Bichel or an allrounder.

I originally leant towards choice 1, but after reading bluechampion's post, I'm undecided as of yet. I need more information on the pitches in SA.
 
Re: reasoning.

Originally posted by bluechampion

This is a personal preference, but you'd be a fool to think that the selectors don't have personal favourites too.
Yes, but not to the extent that people have on here. A selector wouldn't last that long if they had too many favourites. They also have 3 selectors which prevents people like Elliott and Bevan from being selected in the current test team.

I do not believe that Bevan and Martyn work in the same team, as they play a similar game. But Bevan has the runs on the board (literally), and the experience in crunch situations. This is not to say that he (Martyn) is not a good ODI batsman, but my preference would be to not include him.
So who would you replace Martyn with? Doesn't Maher play a similar game to Martyn?

I personally named Bevan at 4 because I believe he benefits from the chance to play his own innings, not have it dictated.
Bevan's average is much higher when he bats at #6 rather than #4. It seems Bevan not only bats better when he is being dictated, but is also the BEST player in the world in this situation. So why would we use him in a position that someone else (Martyn, Maher, Lehmann, take your pick) can play just as well, and then have to find someone else to play Bevan's role who would be nowhere near as good as Bevan?

but i believe in flexibility
So do I.

Let's go over a few different scenarios:

1) 2/33 after 8 overs chasing 239. Why bring in Bevan? Martyn can do just as good a job, and if the shiit hits the fan, Bevan is the one player we want as our last chance.

2) 4/58 after 16 overs chasing 239. I'm sure there isn't one Aussie who would prefer anyone else in the country to walk to the crease in this situation. If this was the score and Bevan went in (and out) at #4, we would have to rely on someone else who isn't nearly as good as Bevan in this situation.

3) 2/200 after 40 overs chasing 239. Bevan isn't needed so it makes no difference.

4) 2/200 after 46 overs chasing 239. Bring on Lee or Warne. Once again, Bevan isn't needed so it makes no difference.


How about I explain it this way:

- If Bevan bats at #4, he will be no better than Martyn or Lehmann.
- But, someone else now has to bat at #6 and it is highly unlikely that this person will be able to bat with the tail and pull Australian out of the mire like Bevan can.
- Why would we put bevan into a position that others can do just as well and deny him the one position that he is much better than anyone else at playing.
- So why would any selector even consider moving Bevan from #6?
 
Did anyone watch the England v Sri lanka match? I watched a bit and heard an interesting convo between ian Chappell and Ian Healy.

Chappell was basically saying that MacGill should be picked for the Test and World Cup team. The reason being that he can win matches. Chappell believe MacGill will bowl much cheaper in ODIs than his economy rate in Pura Cup.

Healy didn't really disagree about the points but he started beating around the bush and mentioning that whoever is picked has to be able to fit into the team. Read: As good as macGill is, he is a complete ****er and not many of the touring party would be happy playing along side him.

Not surprising, but interesting.
 
My World Cup Squad

1.Adam Gilchrist
2.Matthew Hayden
3.Ricky Ponting
4.Darren Lehmann
5.Damien Martyn
6.Michael Bevan
7.Shane Watson
8.Brett Lee
9.Jason Gillespie
10.Stuart MacGill
11.Glenn McGrath

12.Jimmy Maher
13.Andy Bichel or Brad Williams
14.Greg Blewett
15.Ryan Campbell

I feel that Warne won't recover in time for the World Cup. So take the best wicket taking spinner we have - MacGill. The 11 itself is set in stone - bar injuries to the usual suspects (Gillespie, Lee).

The Rest of the Squad, you want to take good experience players such as Blewett, Maher etc. They complement the side, and are ready for a tournament such as the World Cup.

Not taking a reserve keeper is nonsense, If Ponting has to keep, the side loses the WORLD'S BEST FIELDER.
 
Re: reasoning.

Originally posted by bluechampion
I simply do not like his (Martyn's) style of play. It occurs to me that he soaks up too many balls at the start of an innings. Certainly, he scores faster as he progresses, and usually ends up at run-a-ball by the end (much like Bevan), but i still don't like him.

So you're not happy with the number four ending an innings at a run a ball because he takes the time to get his eye in? Well then might I suggest Andrew Symonds or Brad Haddin for that position - surely that will fix the problem.
 
1. A.Gilchrist
2. M.Hayden
3. R.Ponting
4. D.Martyn
5. D.Lehmann
6. M.Bevan
7. I.Harvey
8. B.Lee
9. S.MacGill
10. J.Gillespie
11. G.McGrath

12. J.Langer
13. A.Noffke
14. G.Blewett
15. S.Waugh
 
I don't know if Watson should be in the squad. I think he will get murdered in SA. I'd prefer Blewett in the side, with the 10 overs being split between him, Lehmann, Marto, Bevo or whoever. Watson hardly ever balls his full 10 anyway.

1. Gilchrist
2. Hayden
3. Ponting
4. Martyn
5. Bevan
6. Lehmann
7. Blewett
8. Warne
9. Lee
10. Gillespie
11. McGrath

12. Bichel
13. MacGill
14. Maher
15. Campbell

Unlucky to miss: Langer, Clarke, Watson


I think we should just drop this all rounder thing and play 5 bowlers or 7 batsmen like I did in my squad above.
 

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