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Since the other Adelaide team for some reason had draft picks we've yet to take in it

B Butts (21) - McAsey (20) - Worrell (20)
HB Hamill (20) - Doedee (24) - McPherson (21)
C Sholl (21) - Keays (24) - Milera (23)
HF Jones (21) - Fogarty (21) - McAdam (25)
F Stengle (22) - Himmelberg (22) - McHenry (20)
R O'Brien (25) - M. Crouch (26) - Schoenberg (20)

I Murphy (22) - Hately (20) - Hinge (22) - Davis (23)

Very inexperienced, very young team. We don't have many known quality players in the 22-26 age bracket. This side clearly isn't good enough yet.

However hopefully it will be strengthened quite a bit this draft
 
HavUEvaSeenTheRain said:
The holes you have coming are two KPF and probably three starting mids. Arguably the 5 most important spots to fill. Trying to replace 5 guns is never easy especially from the top of the ladder with no top end picks.
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True that we can't stay afloat through the draft alone. It's like trying to hold back the tide. But when the guns retire and leave salary cap space, we'll shift to the next phase focusing on trades and free agents. Some of the groundwork may already be in place.

Number of recruits from other clubs:

15 Carlton, Hawthorn, St.Kilda
13 Gold Coast
11 Brisbane, North Melbourne
10 Essendon, Geelong, West Coast
9 Port Adelaide, Western Bulldogs
8 Collingwood, GWS, Melbourne, Sydney
7 Adelaide, Fremantle
5 Richmond

Reports of our death have been greatly exaggerated.
 
Ron The Bear said:
True that we can't stay afloat through the draft alone. It's like trying to hold back the tide. But when the guns retire and leave salary cap space, we'll shift to the next phase focusing on trades and free agents. Some of the groundwork may already be in place.

Number of recruits from other clubs:

15 Carlton, Hawthorn, St.Kilda
13 Gold Coast
11 Brisbane, North Melbourne
10 Essendon, Geelong, West Coast
9 Port Adelaide, Western Bulldogs
8 Collingwood, GWS, Melbourne, Sydney
7 Adelaide, Fremantle
5 Richmond

Reports of our death have been greatly exaggerated.
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I'm pretty happy with that.
 

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B Jack Scrimshaw - Jacob Koschitzke - Blake Hardwick

HB Harry Morrison - James Sicily – Will Day

C Jarman Impey -Finn Maginness - Tom Phillips

HF Conor Nash - Tim O'Brien - Changkuoth Jiath

F Oliver Hanrahan – Mitch Lewis - Dylan Moore

R Ned Reeves – James Worpel - Jaeger O'Meara

INT James Cousins - Emerson-Jeka - Damon Greaves - Daniel Howe
 
HavUEvaSeenTheRain said:
I just think it’s somewhat wishful thinking that somehow young players will come on better then history suggests. The important core players of your side still have probably another 2-3 years before the drop off but after that most other sides have a younger group with a lot higher ceiling coming through imo. The holes you have coming are two KPF and probably three starting mids. Arguably the 5 most important spots to fill. Trying to replace 5 guns is never easy especially from the top of the ladder with no top end picks.
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And along came free agency.
 
Blackas87 said:
I responded to you saying there is no rule Melbourne are only allowed to play one ruckman. Nank would not change Melbourne’s structure to play 2 ruckman.

As for Jackson you are comparing a 19 year old off his debut season to a 26 year old who’s been around a number of years building his body up. Jackson is getting a game based off his pure talent and not his body readiness. If Melbourne wanted a body ready forward they wouldn’t bring in Nankervis
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I wouldn’t bother keeping on going. This poster has admitted to being a troll. Continually conflates and twists the position of others.

For the record.

Before he turned 19 Luke Jackson played 6 games, kicked 3 goals, 29 hit outs, 5 contested marks and 6 clearances. Not startling but promising.

Before age of 19 neither Nankervis or Soldo had played an AFL game. Both of them debuted at approximately 21 years of age.

Jackson’s season as an 18 year old was statistically superior to Nankervis’ as a 21 year old - as you’d expect given the draft price Melbourne paid for him vs. the price Richmond paid and development required for Nankervis and Soldo to even get a game.
 
Solska said:
There’s no rule which states Melbourne are only allowed to play one ruckman. They may prefer it because they have no better option as it stands (similar to Richmond playing one KPF in 17), but if they had Nank they’d make an adjustment to their structure.


Anyone can run around and relentlessly tackle, chase, pressure and harass. The only skill set required for that is endurance. They’re effective at what they do and they play their role for the team, that’s not up for debate, but are they good footballers? I’d consider them extremely limited, which is why they’ve been assigned to be designated pressure players. Good players can offer both offensively and defensively - Cotchin, Prestia, Bolton, Edwards, Lambert, etc.
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Limited footballers? Wow. They're not Keith Greig and Voss respectively but they're definitely better than what you give them credit for. Graham has modelled his game to suit our needs and KM is a good wing with fantastic endurance who is our connector up and back. Without either we don't have more than likely 2 of our flags.

Any way, we can take this to the Tigers board. Happy for you to start a thread and keep this discussion going.
 
TedDougChris said:
Ok, attempt at a Dogs lineup. Might be a few errors, didn't check exact birthdates - just went of 26 and under. I've added in JUH as well, who we will pick up in the draft, but we have options.

B: Williams Cordy Crozier
HB: Daniel Gardner Richards
C: Smith Dunkley Hunter
HF: Dale Naughton JUH
F: Weightman Young West

R: English Bontempelli Macrae

Int (from): Schache Sweet Lipinski Cavarra Maclean (inj) Vandermeer
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That is a ******* disgustingly good midfield, Jesus.
 
Scorpus said:
Since the other Adelaide team for some reason had draft picks we've yet to take in it

B Butts (21) - McAsey (20) - Worrell (20)
HB Hamill (20) - Doedee (24) - McPherson (21)
C Sholl (21) - Keays (24) - Milera (23)
HF Jones (21) - Fogarty (21) - McAdam (25)
F Stengle (22) - Himmelberg (22) - McHenry (20)
R O'Brien (25) - M. Crouch (26) - Schoenberg (20)

I Murphy (22) - Hately (20) - Hinge (22) - Davis (23)

Very inexperienced, very young team. We don't have many known quality players in the 22-26 age bracket. This side clearly isn't good enough yet.

However hopefully it will be strengthened quite a bit this draft
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As long as Adelaide go hard in the next couple of drafts there's enough there to contend in 3 - 5 years. Nicks has had the job of ripping the bandaid off and proving that a rebuild is desperately needed, but now that he has its actually a fairly fun time for the club.
 
B: Lockhart - Petty - Smith

HB: Salem - Lever - Rivers

C: Langdon - Viney - Brayshaw

R: Jackson - Petracca - Oliver

HF: Harmes - Fritsch - Hunt

F: Spargo - Weideman - Pickett

Inter: Sparrow - Baker - Bedford - Neal-Bullen
 

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Ron The Bear said:
True that we can't stay afloat through the draft alone. It's like trying to hold back the tide. But when the guns retire and leave salary cap space, we'll shift to the next phase focusing on trades and free agents.
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That was Hawthorn’s strategy with Scully, Mitchell, O'Meara, Wingard, Patton.

Hasn't worked out well. Especially when they gave up the kitchen sink, and the holiday house too, for O'Meara

Although they were different as their strategy was always more like this. Their flag teams had more players from other clubs than Richmond's. Burgoyne, Gibson, Gunston, Lake, Frawley, McEvoy.

Richmond's team isn't ridiculously old. But it's more about the quality of their older players. Martin, Cotchin, Edwards, Houli, Grimes, Lambert, Riewoldt.

Ultimately Richmond will remain up there for another two years at most and then decline sharply, unless they sign a huge fish like Geelong and Sydney did with Dangerfield and Buddy. But there's very few of those elite players around, and plenty of suitors. And Richmond doesn't have a unique value pitch like Moggs Creek or the Harbour City.
 
PJays said:
That was Hawthorn’s strategy with Scully, Mitchell, O'Meara, Wingard, Patton.

Hasn't worked out well. Especially when they gave up the kitchen sink, and the holiday house too, for O'Meara

Although they were different as their strategy was always more like this. Their flag teams had more players from other clubs than Richmond's. Burgoyne, Gibson, Gunston, Lake, Frawley, McEvoy.

Richmond's team isn't ridiculously old. But it's more about the quality of their older players. Martin, Cotchin, Edwards, Houli, Grimes, Lambert, Riewoldt.

Ultimately Richmond will remain up there for another two years at most and then decline sharply, unless they sign a huge fish like Geelong and Sydney did with Dangerfield and Buddy. But there's very few of those elite players around, and plenty of suitors. And Richmond doesn't have a unique value pitch like Moggs Creek or the Harbour City.
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Credit to Geelong, but I can't for the life of me understand how someone like Cameron would want to live there given his fondness for the harbour lifestyle. It's somewhere you go to escape the spotlight, like Ablett snr or Ottens or Mitch Clark. But well done to them on getting the signature.

Not sure that Richmond wouldn't be a desirable destination given Hardwick's relationship with his players and the fact that it's such a happy club. Our 5 imports have 13 medals between them in 24 combined seasons, even if Houli had to wait a while for his treble. You probably wouldn't want to go there at the moment if you were insecure about your position in the team, though.

I'd cop two more years of serious contention if that's what we have left. We're not as close to the top of the age/experience tree as Hawthorn was.

YearClubAvg AgeAge RankAvg GmsGms RankLadderYearClubAvg AgeAge RankAvg GmsGms RankLadder
2012Haw25.105th100.84th2nd2017Rich24.6514th88.013th1st
2013Haw26.012nd115.61st1st2018Rich25.419th104.45th3rd
2014Haw25.854th106.75th1st2019Rich25.0311th98.18th1st
2015Haw26.821st133.61st1st2020Rich25.838th98.08th1st

Martin <=> Mitchell
Cotchin <=> Hodge
Edwards <=> Burgoyne
Houli <=> Sewell
Grimes <=> Gibson/Lake
Lambert <=> Lewis
Riewoldt <=> Roughead

Roughly comparable as groups, perhaps Martin aside.

Both clubs had 29 premiership players in their flag runs. All of Richmond's 29 won a medal before 30yo.

Youngest players in Hawthorn's flags:
20 Hill
21 Gunston
22 Breust, Langford, Shiels
23 Duryea

Youngest players in Richmond's flags:
19 Graham
20 Bolton, Rioli
21 Baker, Balta, Butler, Castagna
23 Nankervis, McIntosh, Short, Soldo, Vlastuin

I reckon we have them covered for depth.

Our biggest test is keeping the finger on the trigger and promoting younger blokes at the first signs of decline, no matter the names involved.
 
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Ron The Bear said:
Credit to Geelong, but I can't for the life of me understand how someone like Cameron would want to live there given his fondness for the harbour lifestyle. It's somewhere you go to escape the spotlight, like Ablett snr or Ottens or Mitch Clark. But well done to them on getting the signature.

Not sure that Richmond wouldn't be a desirable destination given Hardwick's relationship with his players and the fact that it's such a happy club. Our 5 imports have 13 medals between them in 24 combined seasons, even if Houli had to wait a while for his treble. You probably wouldn't want to go there at the moment if you were insecure about your position in the team, though.

I'd cop two more years of serious contention if that's what we have left. We're not as close to the top of the age/experience tree as Hawthorn was.

YearClubAvg AgeAge RankAvg GmsGms RankLadderYearClubAvg AgeAge RankAvg GmsGms RankLadder
2012Haw25.105th100.84th2nd2017Rich24.6514th88.013th1st
2013Haw26.012nd115.61st1st2018Rich25.419th104.45th3rd
2014Haw25.854th106.75th1st2019Rich25.0311th98.18th1st
2015Haw26.821st133.61st1st2020Rich25.838th98.08th1st

Boith clubs had 29 premiership players in their flag runs. All of Richmond's 29 won a medal before 30yo.

Youngest players in Hawthorn's flags:
20 Hill
21 Gunston
22 Breust, Langford, Shiels
23 Duryea

Youngest players in Richmond's flags:
19 Graham
20 Bolton, Rioli
21 Baker, Balta, Butler, Castagna
23 Nankervis, McIntosh, Short, Soldo, Vlastuin

I reckon we have them covered for depth.

Our biggest test is keeping the finger on the trigger and promoting younger blokes at the first signs of decline.
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That's interesting, I'm assuming that's ave age of list though.

What's more relevant is age of best 22, or even best 10 BnF.
 
PJays said:
That's interesting, I'm assuming that's ave age of list though.

What's more relevant is age of best 22, or even best 10 BnF.
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It's the average age of the 22 on the park through the h&a season, so as to compare apples with apples.

Avg age for Hawthorn's top 10: 25.81, 26.72, 27.49, 28.49
Avg age for Richmonds top 10: 26.78, 27.15, 27.29, 26.15

Richmond is evolving by promoting from within as opposed to recruiting experienced players.

Rance => Balta
Grigg => Bolton
Ellis => Baker
 
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B Jack Scrimshaw - Jacob Koschitzke - Blake Hardwick

HB Harry Morrison - James Sicily – Will Day

C Jarman Impey -Finn Maginness - Tom Phillips

HF Conor Nash - Tim O'Brien - Changkuoth Jiath

F Oliver Hanrahan – Mitch Lewis - Dylan Moore

R Ned Reeves – James Worpel - Jaeger O'Meara

INT James Cousins - Emerson-Jeka - Damon Greaves - Daniel Howe
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That is depressing. Hawks need a huge draft.
 
Ron The Bear said:
It's the average age of the 22 on the park through the h&a season, so as to compare apples with apples.

Avg age for Hawthorn's top 10: 25.81, 26.72, 27.49, 28.49
Avg age for Richmonds top 10: 26.78, 27.15, 27.29, 26.15

Richmond is evolving by promoting from within as opposed to recruiting experienced players.

Rance => Balta
Grigg => Bolton
Ellis => Baker
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It is such a simple premise. But it's amazing how many successful teams (oh and by successful, I mean actually winning things) don't want to do this.

Genuinely think that sentence determines your future. Do that bit right and you may not drop off and might prolong your success.
 
the Ziebull said:
Thanks for stevo tho
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Collinwgood and stevo were lied to. The original deal was stevo to be player, captain and coach. This was his childhood dream and we wanted to help him achieve it. Pretty scummy of north to take that dream away from him once the deal went through.
 
Ron The Bear said:
ClubPlayersAvg AgeRookiesPlayed seniorsSenior gamesSenior winsTop 10 b&fBrownlow votes
Adel2722.18424609247.566
Bris3022.395231239590.598
Carl3122.904291463482.510*15
Coll2022.31416625325.566
Ess2922.73623112146378
Frem2822.56625945361.599
Geel2221.7051451133542
G.C.3222.183261020278.5129
GWS2522.83222878480.588
Haw2422.3652087144077
Melb2722.8942412265511012
N.M.2522.36423879386.587
P.A.2922.5042211916571216
Rich2622.43519935663.5812
St.K2823.5742515386941512
Syd2622.533241075476.589
W.C.2422.6712285357578
W.B.2823.0562513616871112

* 2020 b&f not yet held
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So St.Kilda has easily the most top 10 B+F finishes by players 26 or under, along with the most games played and most wins

Same amount of players with senior experience as the Dogs, and only behind GC and Carlton

Only 4 of our best 22 over 26 (Hill, Ryder, Hannerbery, Carlisle)

Pretty happy with that profile. Probably just needs another class mid and a CHB.

Richmond don't want to trade us Balta do they? Absolute gun
 
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