your thoughts on Wayne Carey

[Bulldog1954]

Why don't the majority of fans feel the same way about Scott West?

Perhaps because Scott West has never groped anyone, been arrested for glassing a women or gone on regular cocaine binges?

 

[Wally Carter]

Perhaps because Scott West has never groped anyone

How do you know that Scott West never groped anyone? He sure as hell groped Simon Cox's missus, and what happened then? Poor old Simon Cox was given the flick by the Bulldogs.

At least North did the right thing and made Carey pay the ultimate price.

been arrested for glassing a women

Carey has never been convicted of glassing a woman either.

or gone on regular cocaine binges?

Well, it's not as if Scott ever had a substance abuse problem.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/scott-wests-booze-battle/story-e6frf9mf-1225715018972

West gets sympathy and Carey gets vilification. It's a pathetic double standard.

Why?

 

[DeanoT]

How do you know that Scott West never groped anyone? He sure as hell groped Simon Cox's missus, and what happened then? Poor old Simon Cox was given the flick by the Bulldogs.

At least North did the right thing and made Carey pay the ultimate price.



Carey has never been convicted of glassing a woman either.



Well, it's not as if Scott ever had a substance abuse problem.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/scott-wests-booze-battle/story-e6frf9mf-1225715018972

West gets sympathy and Carey gets vilification. It's a pathetic double standard.

Why?

Because Carey was good and he knew it. Australians don't like arrogance, especially if he towels up your team more often than not.

West has the humble nice guy image that Australians prefer.

Don't expect Australians to ever be able to see past the facade. They would much rather buy the hype, than listen to the facts. Same garbage debate being made in another thread about Cousins v Fev.

Carey was a great footballer, and to be admired for his sporting prowess. You probably wouldn't want to be his girlfriend/wife though. Same argument goes for Shane Warne.

 

[Bulldog1954]

Convicted of drink driving
Convicted of indecent assault and groping
Convicted and fined $2000 over a tussle with police
Not convicted but plead guilty to attacking police and glassing a women and given probation and community service
Admitted to regularly taking drugs which are I'm fairly sure illegal

West on the other hand has had what problems with the law? Surely you can see why they are perhaps viewed somewhat differently?

 

[sherrinorburley]

Legend on the field, troubled individual off it.

Reading the book I find it increasingly hard to believe that he could throw everything he had away for a few roots with a blonde floozey.

The way he speaks about North, he makes it sound like it was football paradise.

To mess all that up by thinking with his wrong head, it's just really hard to fathom.

He was unfaithful to his misses because he couldn't get enough?

KS did the dirty with him, if not, would of been someone else.

Just like Gary Ablett Snr. Legends of the game.

Fairly difficult to judge them w***ers when they have actualy done what the OP only dreams about.

 

[Wally Carter]

Because Carey was good and he knew it. Australians don't like arrogance, especially if he towels up your team more often than not.

West has the humble nice guy image that Australians prefer.

Don't expect Australians to ever be able to see past the facade. They would much rather buy the hype, than listen to the facts. Same garbage debate being made in another thread about Cousins v Fev.

Carey was a great footballer, and to be admired for his sporting prowess. You probably wouldn't want to be his girlfriend/wife though. Same argument goes for Shane Warne.

I appreciate your honesty Deano. It's refreshing to say the least.

 

[DeanoT]

He was unfaithful to his misses because he couldn't get enough?

KS did the dirty with him, if not, would of been someone else.

Just like Gary Ablett Snr. Legends of the game.

Fairly difficult to judge them w***ers when they have actualy done what the OP only dreams about.

And, she did. Carey wasn't the only one at North who KS got it on with.

 

[Wally Carter]

Convicted of drink driving

In 1992. Hang the bastard. What are you going to do next? Present statistics on Wayne wagging school?

Convicted of indecent assault and groping

There is no such charge as "groping". Did you add it for emotional impact?

Convicted and fined $2000 over a tussle with police

If the police came in to many peoples rooms and forcibly awakened them after a night on the sauce, they could expect a "tussle"

Not convicted but plead guilty to attacking police

Rubbish.

and glassing a women

Rubbish.

Admitted to regularly taking drugs which are I'm fairly sure illegal

Being drunk in a public place is also illegal.

West on the other hand has had what problems with the law? Surely you can see why they are perhaps viewed somewhat differently?

It's viewed somewhat different because Carey sells a trillion papers more than West. Carey can't fart without someone reporting about it. Did Scott West ever have to live with that kind of scrutiny?

Did news crews follow Scott West to Las Vegas just to see him sitting beside a pool?

If West, or for that matter most other AFL players had to put up with the type of intense scrutiny that follows Carey around, the world would view Wayne Carey in a lot more sympathetic light.

 

[bushpie]

Was a Legend.

Now, unfortunately a dsimal failure.

It is a shame to see how the mighty unravel.............

Who will be nxt??????

 

[Bulldog1954]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/wayne-carey-told-to-go-home-at-la-airport/story-e6freuzr-1225782538287

He has been convicted three times and plead guilty without conviction once, it is all in the above link.

In regards to him being upset about being forcibly awaken after a night on the sauce perhaps he shouldn't have rang the police?

Again, what has West ever done that is illegal?

 

[carntheroos4eva]

I appreciate your honesty Deano. It's refreshing to say the least.

The fact that Carey ran to the papers to tell everyone his side of the story is a big factor.

And, she did. Carey wasn't the only one at North who KS got it on with.

What a heap of bullshit. How could she when she was married to Anthony Stevens?

In 1992. Hang the bastard. What are you going to do next? Present statistics on Wayne wagging school?

He's a big name player. Everything that he does gets reported on no matter what.

There is no such charge as "groping". Did you add it for emotional impact?

Bullshit. It's sexual harrassment you fruitloop.

If the police came in to many peoples rooms and forcibly awakened them after a night on the sauce, they could expect a "tussle"

You clearly have nfi

Rubbish.



Rubbish.



Being drunk in a public place is also illegal.



It's viewed somewhat different because Carey sells a trillion papers more than West. Carey can't fart without someone reporting about it. Did Scott West ever have to live with that kind of scrutiny?

Did news crews follow Scott West to Las Vegas just to see him sitting beside a pool?

If West, or for that matter most other AFL players had to put up with the type of intense scrutiny that follows Carey around, the world would view Wayne Carey in a lot more sympathetic light.

Scotty West is a big name player. For your information, EVERY high profile footballer gets noticed when they are out and about. If there is something up with them they have it reported to the media. If it is something that is against the law just like Wayne Carey glassing his girlfriend then it gets publicised all over the news. FYI you don't know enough about the AFL to realise this. Instead you go about acting like a tool and possibly does the wrong things nearly all the time and keeps getting caught just like what Wayne Carey does.

 

[DeanoT]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...me-at-la-airport/story-e6freuzr-1225782538287

He has been convicted three times and plead guilty without conviction once, it is all in the above link.

In regards to him being upset about being forcibly awaken after a night on the sauce perhaps he shouldn't have rang the police?

Again, what has West ever done that is illegal?

The biggest story about Wayne Carey was never about anything criminal he did, it was about giving it to his best mates missus. You are right that Carey outdoes West in this regard, but the fact remains, that Carey is a much more interesting story to write about than West.

Why ?

1) Carey was the biggest name in football when the Stevens controversy erupted

2) He was the King. King Carey, the best player in the league. He knew it, and it showed. Hence his fall from grace was always much more interesting than had Robert Harvey or someone similar done the same thing

3) He did it to his best mate. Cheating is never on, but if you do it, you don't do it to your best mate. Thems the rules.

4) He was the leader of the club with the Shinboner spirit. The team that stuck together, made sacrifices in order to win flags against the "evil" big clubs, like Collingwood, Essendon, etc. No one could imagine Carey playing for anything other than the Kangas.

All this adds up to the juciest recipe that a journo could ever hope for.

As for West's alcohol, depression and misbehavious issues, well that makes good reading for a day or two, but can't keep the printing presses whirring for months, now years, on end.

West's issues aren't quite on a par with Carey's, but the disproportionate coverage given to Carey's indiscretions to that of West and others isn't justified. It does sell papers though.

 

[Wally Carter]

The fact that Carey ran to the papers to tell everyone his side of the story is a big factor.

What a heap of bullshit. How could she when she was married to Anthony Stevens?

He's a big name player. Everything that he does gets reported on no matter what.

Bullshit. It's sexual harrassment you fruitloop.

You clearly have nfi

Scotty West is a big name player. For your information, EVERY high profile footballer gets noticed when they are out and about. If there is something up with them they have it reported to the media. If it is something that is against the law just like Wayne Carey glassing his girlfriend then it gets publicised all over the news. FYI you don't know enough about the AFL to realise this. Instead you go about acting like a tool and possibly does the wrong things nearly all the time and keeps getting caught just like what Wayne Carey does.

There are so many things wrong with this, that I don't know where to begin. Pass.

 

[Wally Carter]

Deano, you have just written the best, well balanced synopsis of the "Carey media phenomenon" that I have read on the internet. Well done again.

 

[DeanoT]

What a heap of bullshit. How could she when she was married to Anthony Stevens?

The name Stuart Anderson ring a bell. He was traded to Freo because he was on with Kelli Stevens. After Anthony Stevens career finished, he and Kelli moved to the country to get away from all the attention. She then got it on with one of the players in Anthony's team again. Takes two to tango.

He's a big name player. Everything that he does gets reported on no matter what.

You have no idea if you think West was anywhere near as big a name as Carey was.

Bullshit. It's sexual harrassment you fruitloop.

And the words indecent assault were already in the same sentence. You can't be charged for indecent assault AND groping.

Scotty West is a big name player. For your information, EVERY high profile footballer gets noticed when they are out and about. If there is something up with them they have it reported to the media. If it is something that is against the law just like Wayne Carey glassing his girlfriend then it gets publicised all over the news. FYI you don't know enough about the AFL to realise this. Instead you go about acting like a tool and possibly does the wrong things nearly all the time and keeps getting caught just like what Wayne Carey does.

You must be 15 years old from the tone of your comments. There are big name players, and then there are big name players. You make it sound as if Scott Lucas gets as much attention as James Hird. The biggest names in football (Carey, Ablett, Cousins, Fevola) get much more of the attention and focus of the media than to the next tier of players. It is not an excuse for their behaviour, but for you to put Scott West in the same "big name" cateogory of Wayne Carey shows it is you that has obsolutely NFI.

 

[chopper41]

Any one who cheats on there wife with their best mates wife is a dog. Plain and simple. Dog. People call that a mistake. That's not a mistake. That's an arrogant dog thinking he's above everyone else.

 

[carntheroos4eva]

The name Stuart Anderson ring a bell. He was traded to Freo because he was on with Kelli Stevens. After Anthony Stevens career finished, he and Kelli moved to the country to get away from all the attention. She then got it on with one of the players in Anthony's team again. Takes two to tango.



You have no idea if you think West was anywhere near as big a name as Carey was.



And the words indecent assault were already in the same sentence. You can't be charged for indecent assault AND groping.



You must be 15 years old from the tone of your comments. There are big name players, and then there are big name players. You make it sound as if Scott Lucas gets as much attention as James Hird. The biggest names in football (Carey, Ablett, Cousins, Fevola) get much more of the attention and focus of the media than to the next tier of players. It is not an excuse for their behaviour, but for you to put Scott West in the same "big name" cateogory of Wayne Carey shows it is you that has obsolutely NFI.

Actually no you are wrong.

I have got every right to make comment on Big Name players. Just like anyone else.

You mightn't know this and by the sounds of it don't give a shit about this. It's best to know the people who were involved.
I happen to be pretty close to Anthony Stevens and his former wife Kelli.

When Stevo did the right thing and told me all about what had happened, I will not be forgiving Wayne Carey for what he did to Kelli.
However, You seem to be blaming Kelli for all of this.
Do you want to explain why you are pointing the finger at her or are you so damn scared that you don't want to? I am thinking it is going to be another bullshit story coming from you.

BTW you can be charged with incest as well as groping as it comes under the sexual acts law. If you didn't know this it's sexual harassment to go and rape somebody or to have sex with somebody that doesn't give their permission to do those things with you....


Instead of you posting up your bullshit about how you know everything, because it is as clear as mud that you don't know a thing. You are just posting because you happen to like Wayne Carey.

It's ok to like Wayne Carey, however, it's not ok to go and make up shit about him and saying it's not his fault when the fact is he ran to the papers to get the publicity in the first place.

BTW you said that Kelli stevens likes to cheat on other people. Explain to me who else has she gone out with apart from marrying her husband Anthony Stevens?

Stuart Anderson was not involved at all with Kelli Stevens.... He happened to get delisted from North Melbourne and was drafted to Fremantle.

 

[Wally Carter]

I can't be bothered with the rest of your crap but I will correct this -

BTW you said that Kelli stevens likes to cheat on other people. Explain to me who else has she gone out with apart from marrying her husband Anthony Stevens?

Stuart Anderson was not involved at all with Kelli Stevens.... He happened to get delisted from North Melbourne and was drafted to Fremantle.

No, it wasn't Stuart Anderson. It was Brady Anderson.

 

[chesson]

He was unfaithful to his misses because he couldn't get enough?

KS did the dirty with him, if not, would of been someone else.

Just like Gary Ablett Snr. Legends of the game.

Fairly difficult to judge them w***ers when they have actualy done what the OP only dreams about.

The obsession with Carey among hawkers and other opposition supporters seems mastabatory indeed.

 

[DeanoT]

Actually no you are wrong.

I have got every right to make comment on Big Name players. Just like anyone else.

I never said you didn't have a right to comment. I said that the tone of your comments indicate that you are 15 years old. Maybe it is just your poor communication skills which indicate that. I also said it is foolish to compare West to Carey as a high profile player. The comparison is absurd.

You mightn't know this and by the sounds of it don't give a shit about this. It's best to know the people who were involved.
I happen to be pretty close to Anthony Stevens and his former wife Kelli.

When Stevo did the right thing and told me all about what had happened, I will not be forgiving Wayne Carey for what he did to Kelli.
However, You seem to be blaming Kelli for all of this.
Do you want to explain why you are pointing the finger at her or are you so damn scared that you don't want to? I am thinking it is going to be another bullshit story coming from you.

You say you "will not be forgiving Carey for what he did to Kelli". I don't expect you to, but what do you mean by "what Carey did to Kelli". Are you suggesting that Kelli was an unwilling participant in the incident, because if you are, you have just said that Carey committed rape. Is that what you are saying, or are you willing to admit that she was a willing participant ? As I said earlier, it takes two to tango. And I'm not pointing fingers at her, both her and Carey are equally guilty. I find it difficult for you to mount an argument that one was at fault more than the other.

BTW you can be charged with incest as well as groping as it comes under the sexual acts law. If you didn't know this it's sexual harassment to go and rape somebody or to have sex with somebody that doesn't give their permission to do those things with you....

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. What is the sexual acts law ? You sure you don't mean the Crimes Act, because there is no such thing as the sexual acts law. And what on earth does incest have to do with anything in this thread ?

Someone made the point earlier that you cannot be guilty of indecent assault and groping, as they are the same offence. It would be like you being charged with murder, killing and homicide all for committing one act. Groping is NOT an offence, indecent assault is. I suppose you think that there is an offence titled "touching someone on the bum without permission" do you ?

Your last sentence is incoherent. I don't mean to be rude, but do you have a learning difficulty ?

Instead of you posting up your bullshit about how you know everything, because it is as clear as mud that you don't know a thing. You are just posting because you happen to like Wayne Carey.

It's ok to like Wayne Carey, however, it's not ok to go and make up shit about him and saying it's not his fault when the fact is he ran to the papers to get the publicity in the first place.

You are either disabled, delusional or both. I have never said I like Carey in this thread, or any other. I have said that Carey is arrogant, has committed criminal acts, and did the most unforgiveable thing of all, sticking it to his best mates wife. The points I were making about how the media loves the Wayne Carey story, while other players who commit similar acts get far less attention. Unfortunately, your clear bias on this matter prevents you from seeing this. But feel free to keep putting my words in my mouth, you look all the more stupid for it.

BTW you said that Kelli stevens likes to cheat on other people. Explain to me who else has she gone out with apart from marrying her husband Anthony Stevens?

Stuart Anderson was not involved at all with Kelli Stevens.... He happened to get delisted from North Melbourne and was drafted to Fremantle.

Show me where I said Kelli Stevens likes to cheat on other people. You won't be able to because I didn't say it, so please stop putting words in my mouth. I did say that Carey is not the only incident she has been involved in, and that it takes two to tango. Both these statements are fact, whether you like to believe that you have the true story or not.

 

[DarwinRoo]

What a heap of bullshit. How could she when she was married to Anthony Stevens?

Are you saying that it was impossible for Kelli Stevens to have an affair because she was married to Anthony Stevens?

If you are then I would love to know how Wayne Carey ended up sleeping with her.

 

[Roos4eva]

Sooooz, just to be clear; can you please list every celebrity/sportsperson that you have connections with so we can avoid further confusion and embarrassment as you obviously know everything.

Ta.

 

[DarwinRoo]

Clarkson2scott can you please explain to my why Kelli Stevens should not have a finger pointed in her direction.

And by the way I don't think either Anthony or Kelli would appreciate you mentioning private conversations that you had with them on an open forum.

 

[Roos4eva]

Clarkson2scott can you please explain to my why Kelli Stevens should not have a finger pointed in her direction.

And by the way I don't think either Anthony or Kelli would appreciate you mentioning private conversations that you had with them on an open forum.

Especially ones that definitely occurred and are most certainly not bullshit at all.

 

[Heisenberg_]

And by the way I don't think either Anthony or Kelli would appreciate you mentioning private conversations that you had with them on an open forum.

When the story is a figment of your imagination it doesn't count

How is 1 person from up in the country related to or somehow knows 80% of people who have made an AFL list?