Free Agency Zac Williams [joins Carlton as an RFA for a 1st round compensation pick]

[PMBangers]

This isn't a 'my club is better than yours' contest, keep discussion relevant to Zac Williams please

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

Good player but over paid imo

Don't buy into the click bait reports on his salary.
Seems they can't agree on whether he was offered 5 years or 6 years. The ones saying $900k tend to use words like 'reportedly' and 'up to'.
Someone like Lloyd, who tends not to have any bias and generally doesn't resort to click bait journalism, has said that he understands it to be around an average of $750k across the term of the deal.

Most likely it is something like 5 years, with an option for a 6th, at an average of $750k, but the first couple of years might be front loaded and with performance bonuses, could see him make up to $900k if he plays X amount of games, plays finals, places in the B&F and/or Brownlow.
Doesn't seem unreasonable when he will playing the majority of his time as a mid, if he can perform to the standard that he has when he has had the opportunity to play midfield time at GWS.

 

[Laphroaig]

Fantastic pick up for Carlton if he can stay on the park. The reported coin would concern me a bit with player retention surely being made difficult in a few years time though.

Couple Williams with Saad this trade period and I think you will be a genuine top 8 contender in the next year or two.

Reporters report reportable reporting, reportedly.

Carlton has managed it's cap exceedingly well over the past few years (and about bloody time). Been able to renew the good younger guys without fuss, and early. Still had the coin to heavily front end a number of contracts and put underpaid cap space in the bank as well. Which keeps opening up cap space down the road.

The numbers being kicked around on Williams are almost certainly based on the first year of a heavily front ended contract. This time last year people were bouncing off walls and screeching about Jack Martin

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Jack Martin

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coming in on a million a year. Which was a high impact thing to say, but of course miles from the truth.

It's when Clubs start back ending contracts to defer salary they can't fit under the cap that you ask the hard questions about management.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Reporters report reportable reporting, reportedly.

Carlton has managed it's cap exceedingly well over the past few years (and about bloody time). Been able to renew the good younger guys without fuss, and early. Still had the coin to heavily front end a number of contracts and put underpaid cap space in the bank as well. Which keeps opening up cap space down the road.

The numbers being kicked around on Williams are almost certainly based on the first year of a heavily front ended contract. This time last year people were bouncing off walls and screeching about Jack Martin

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Jack Martin

Age

29

Ht

186cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

6.3

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

3.7

5star

G

0.9

4star

D

14.9

4star

K

7.9

3star

HB

7.0

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

3.6

4star

G

1.1

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.6

3star

coming in on a million a year. Which was a high impact thing to say, but of course miles from the truth.

It's when Clubs start back ending contracts to defer salary they can't fit under the cap that you ask the hard questions about management.

6x800

 

[Laphroaig]

6x800

Why choose that guess over all the other different guesses?

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Why choose that guess over all the other different guesses?

Only one I’ve seen

 

[Laphroaig]

Only one I’ve seen

Look harder.

Not that it matters a lot. It's got to be close to that I guess. GWS reportedly had 700+ and incentives over five years sitting on the table unsigned for 9 months, so we can assume Carlton are paying him more than that.

Here's hoping that the multiple media opinions in the second half of the season naming him the best gettable player in football were right.

 

[00Stinger]

Look harder.

close to $900k per year

Trade recap: AFL rejects Pick 2 compensation after Saints submit offer for Crows star

Trade recap: AFL rejects Crows’ bold wish after Saints submit offer for star midfielder

www.foxsports.com.au

$850k per year from Sam McLure

Blues recruit's eye-watering contract revealed

GWS star to depart for monster deal

wwos.nine.com.au

$900k on this one too

Cornes slams Carlton for "ridiculous" Williams contract

“The question I’d be asking why they think he’s Chris Judd over one off-season.”

www.zerohanger.com

$900k according to multiple sources in this one

DONE DEAL: Giants gun Zac Williams becomes a Blue

The gun free agent has joined Carlton on a lucrative long-term deal.

www.zerohanger.com

$900k again
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/09...tional-change-and-why-it-could-be-a-risk-for/

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Look harder.

00Stinger has done it for me

close to $900k per year

Trade recap: AFL rejects Pick 2 compensation after Saints submit offer for Crows star

Trade recap: AFL rejects Crows’ bold wish after Saints submit offer for star midfielder

www.foxsports.com.au

$850k per year from Sam McLure

Blues recruit's eye-watering contract revealed

GWS star to depart for monster deal

wwos.nine.com.au

$900k on this one too

Cornes slams Carlton for "ridiculous" Williams contract

“The question I’d be asking why they think he’s Chris Judd over one off-season.”

www.zerohanger.com

$900k according to multiple sources in this one

DONE DEAL: Giants gun Zac Williams becomes a Blue

The gun free agent has joined Carlton on a lucrative long-term deal.

www.zerohanger.com

$900k again
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/09...tional-change-and-why-it-could-be-a-risk-for/

The only ones questioning it are Carlton supporters who are obviously nervous it’s too much. As they should be. Six years at that money is as enormous risk. Could be inspired, could be disastrous.

 

[00Stinger]

00Stinger has done it for me




The only ones questioning it are Carlton supporters who are obviously nervous it’s too much. As they should be. Six years at that money is as enormous risk. Could be inspired, could be disastrous.

yeah supporters alays like to think players get paid les at their club than what the media says

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

If the rumours are true and Williams was offered 750k x 5 at GWS, I think a deal around 800k + incentives and the extra year is about right to get him across the line.

If we end up paying him the full 900k for 6 years we’ll be a very successful side and no one will be questioning the money.

 

[Laphroaig]

00Stinger has done it for me




The only ones questioning it are Carlton supporters who are obviously nervous it’s too much. As they should be. Six years at that money is as enormous risk. Could be inspired, could be disastrous.

Yeah I was being reflexively argumentative. My bad.

As above, I hope the talking heads who were calling Williams the best gettable player in the game mid year when it became clear he probably intended to leave were right. GWS obviously rate him, because even before the "involuntary resolution" of their cap problems they had 700+ over 5 on the table.

We shall see.

Anyhow, a bucket full of cash is pretty damn useless if you don't find a way to spend it. Ask North. My understanding is we had to spend 105% now or lose the permitted overspend for no gain.

 

[bmaurizio]

If the rumours are true and Williams was offered 750k x 5 at GWS, I think a deal around 800k + incentives and the extra year is about right to get him across the line.

If we end up paying him the full 900k for 6 years we’ll be a very successful side and no one will be questioning the money.

Absolutely right, we’ll gain more success for certain due to the skill , speed , footy ability and toughness, Williams & Saad bring the team it will be significant.
More WINS is the name of the game, once supporters are happy all can be justified.

 

[nineteen eighty]

Fantastic pick up for Carlton if he can stay on the park. The reported coin would concern me a bit with player retention surely being made difficult in a few years time though.

Couple Williams with Saad this trade period and I think you will be a genuine top 8 contender in the next year or two.

A year or 2 won't cut it. They are drafting to play finals next year. Anything less than finals will be a failure for the Blues given they're bringing in a midfielder on elite dollars (who has never played as a mid mind you for many years) and a good running back.

Good luck to the Blues but the money being spoken about for Williams is obscene. I don't know how he put that price on his head but I would dare say his manager saw the Blues coming. Good luck to him but very few are on that kind of coin across the comp. Let alone someone who has not played in that position before.

 

[HairyO]

If the rumours are true and Williams was offered 750k x 5 at GWS, I think a deal around 800k + incentives and the extra year is about right to get him across the line.

If we end up paying him the full 900k for 6 years we’ll be a very successful side and no one will be questioning the money.

I think this is the point.

It probably is $800k + incentives, which means if he does get $900k then he gets lots of Brownlow votes and plays 24 or 25 games which Carlton going deep in to Finals.

But most reporters just say "Its $900k".

Would be interesting to know just how many players get a large amount of incentives built in to their salary. Match payments used to be a big part of the salary, but these days it seems most are on a big base with not a lot of incentives/match payments.

Brereton talked about his final offer from Hawthorn which was 1/10th of his previous contract as the base, then a heap of match payments but no minimum guarantee games. So the Hawks could have played him sparingly during the year then the last couple of H&A games then all the finals and he would have made less than 1/3 of his previous year.

 

[S Rioghal Mo Dhream]

While it's good to see the bloke finally get paid after years of taking unders at GWS it's also obviously apparent that this is how clubs kill their salary cap.

Guess this situation is a winner all round

 

[Elmer_Judd]

While it's good to see the bloke finally get paid after years of taking understand at GilWS it's also obviously apparent that this is how clubs kill their salary cap.

Guess this situation is a winner all round

????

 

[Colonial]

While it's good to see the bloke finally get paid after years of taking unders at GilWS it's also obviously apparent that this is how clubs kill their salary cap.

Guess this situation is a winner all round

Are you drunk?

 

[S Rioghal Mo Dhream]

????

Flipping autocorrect - post has been edited

 

[S Rioghal Mo Dhream]

Are you drunk?

Not yet, maybe that's the problem

 

[Colonial]

Flipping autocorrect - post has been edited

Your autocorrect goes to GilWS?

 

[S Rioghal Mo Dhream]

Your autocorrect goes to GilWS?

Yup, type something enough times in your phone and it adds it to your dictionary.

Anyway

 

[Monkey King]

Yup, type something enough times in your phone and it adds it to your dictionary.

Anyway

Or for swearing on an iPhone put it in your contacts as a name.

 

[Rich01]

Zac and his manager look a big winner from this move.

Perhaps a shift back to half back will provide the blues with a little more value?

 

[TryAnHit]

Zac and his manager look a big winner from this move.

Perhaps a shift back to half back will provide the blues with a little more value?

Blues wanted a mid.. should have gone after Brouch and cheaper... hes a mid not a HBF

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Blues wanted a mid.. should have gone after Brouch and cheaper... hes a mid not a HBF

We wanted someone who can kick