Current Zizians

[Osho]

This group, alleged cult, involved in 6 killings across 3 states, has received little mainstream coverage to date.

'Zizian' fringe group connected to murders in California, other states

Three crimes in three states in just over two years, and all of them lead back to a fringe group called the 'Zizians.'

www.kcra.com

There are a couple of YT channels covering it, try Police Off the Cuff.

What grabbed my attention were some Manson Family parallels: living conditions; complex network relationships; use of swords; use of pseudonyms; driven by world view. What is starkly different is IQ, these kids are extremely smart.

 

[Cactus_]

Thanks for posting this . . . I’ve only scratched the surface but it seems very interesting

I’ve been trying to work out what the group’s ideology etc. is

The podcast you linked to suggests they are a militant trans-rights group?

 

[Osho]

Thanks for posting this . . . I’ve only scratched the surface but it seems very interesting

I’ve been trying to work out what the group’s ideology etc. is

The podcast you linked to suggests they are a militant trans-rights group?

I think they are some kind of modern Rationalist, see here, in the background section.

They protested one of the Rationalist groups meetings some years ago. So they are now regarded as a splinter group. Yes, they all seem to be trans, however, I don't know whether this is a driving ideology for their murders or not.

Zizians - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Since I first posted, MSM have finally picked up the story. Who knows why they took so long

 

[Osho]

I think they are some kind of modern Rationalist, see here, in the background section.

They protested one of the Rationalist groups meetings some years ago. So they are now regarded as a splinter group. Yes, they all seem to be trans, however, I don't know whether this is a driving ideology for their murders or not.

Zizians - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Since I first posted, MSM have finally picked up the story. Who knows why they took so long

...and here from min 20 these fellows get into their spin on the particular type of Rationality movement they followed.

 

[Cactus_]

Seems like a fair bit of sensationalism around the trans aspect

The words “cult”, “terrorism” etc. being thrown around

Justified? Or being played up to make it a better story and tap into the audiences prejudices?

 

[Osho]

I don't think the trans aspect has any direct relevance or is the instigation of the events. They are also vegan, that may play into their rational altruism. I'm thinking the type of utilitarian rationalism that Peter Singer is known for. Many reports don't even mention gender. It was odd that for a period msm did not pick up this story. They have now.

Cult would need to be established. Are they dedicated followers of a specific belief system, under a manipulative leader? Jury still out.

Terrorism from what we know is not a correct description of their actions. The murders seem to be for specific reasons, such as theft, stopping a prosecution witness, attempt to escape authorities.

 

[Cactus_]

Certainly seems to be an interesting case

Lots of speculation which is very understandable

There’s a couple in custody and a couple dead, but others who seem to important parts of the story are still whereabouts unknown

Will be interesting to follow when more facts start coming to light