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dave - believe me when i say it would be an absolute disaster for the game. fix the academy issues, dont screw the rest of the comp.

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If it was for one player a year, I wouldn't mind it.

But if they open it up to the point where you can bid for your zoned players non stop, it would be silly and create massive advantages.

There's season where one under 18 TAC side has 7-8 of the first round picks, what if one club had access to all those picks pre draft?
 

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If it was for one player a year, I wouldn't mind it.

But if they open it up to the point where you can bid for your zoned players non stop, it would be silly and create massive advantages.

There's season where one under 18 TAC side has 7-8 of the first round picks, what if one club had access to all those picks pre draft?

Well you so would only Nominating Players they want and Then they would go into the Bidding System.

So I don’t that clubs would nominate many and maybe a rule can bring in to how many you can Nominate so it does not Completely kill the Draft
 
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WCE and Freo share WA talent ?? Seeing kids like O'Meara, Jesse Hogan, Harley Bennell and Jack Martin shared between these clubs over 2 years.

Crows and Port share all SA talent ?

I'd think zoning would see these 4 clubs becoming continual power houses while the Vic clubs squabble amongst each other, while trying to relocate really young kids to their zones and develop them from there. I'm talking 12 to 14 year olds. It will create massive corruption, IMO.
 
No, no, no, NO, no.

When zoning was still in place, in the 23 years between 1967 and 1989* Richmond won 5 flags, Carlton won 7 flags and Hawthorn 7 flags (and another in 1991). Sydney's zone was a piece of s**t.

All this crap, including the changes to father-son, are all to make up for the massive northern academies rort. Keep the national draft pool as it is, leave father-son rules as they are and can this ridiculous northern academy double dip. GCS and GWS can get one zone access player a year each until they start producing sons and that should be it. End of story.

This is just peak AFL nonsense. Creating a ridiculous rule then creating 2 more to undo the damage of the first rule.

* the national draft started in 1986 but the zoned players were still on lists
 
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WCE and Freo share WA talent ?? Seeing kids like O'Meara, Jesse Hogan, Harley Bennell and Jack Martin shared between these clubs over 2 years.

Crows and Port share all SA talent ?

I'd think zoning would see these 4 clubs becoming continual power houses while the Vic clubs squabble amongst each other, while trying to relocate really young kids to their zones and develop them from there. I'm talking 12 to 14 year olds. It will create massive corruption, IMO.

When trying to get 12 and 14 Years old does not mean they would come guns
 
No, no, no, NO, no.

When zoning was still in place, in the 23 years between 1967 and 1989 Richmond won 5 flags, Carlton won 7 flags and Hawthorn 7 flags (and another in 1991). Sydney's zone was a piece of s**t.

All this crap, including the changes to father-son, are all to make up for the massive northern academies rort. Keep the national draft pool as it is, leave father-son rules as they are and can this ridiculous northern academy double dip. GCS and GWS can get one zone access player a year each until they start producing sons and that should be it. End of story.

This is just peak AFL nonsense. Creating a ridiculous rule then creating 2 more to undo the damage of the first rule.

This rule is as bad the the Acadamies and AFL are Destroying the Game anyway
 
Zones would be the biggest anti equalisation policy ever. Equalisation is something your President has been foaming at the mouth about ever since he found out a kid by the name of Heeney was a potentially good footballer.

So now we have the Heeney drafting system in place. It's mighty complicated but apparently fair? The Swans give up pick 18, 37, 54 & 68 plus Malceski to snag Heeney - nice one Eddie!
 
Zones would be the biggest anti equalisation policy ever. Equalisation is something your President has been foaming at the mouth about ever since he found out a kid by the name of Heeney was a potentially good footballer.

So now we have the Heeney drafting system in place. It's mighty complicated but apparently fair? The Swans give up pick 18, 37, 54 & 68 plus Malceski to snag Heeney - nice one Eddie!

Where was Eddie’s name on this?

Swans Fans need to get off the Back of Eddie and Stop Winging.

You Stole Heeney
 
Zones would be the biggest anti equalisation policy ever. Equalisation is something your President has been foaming at the mouth about ever since he found out a kid by the name of Heeney was a potentially good footballer.

So now we have the Heeney drafting system in place. It's mighty complicated but apparently fair? The Swans give up pick 18, 37, 54 & 68 plus Malceski to snag Heeney - nice one Eddie!

Yes, it is anti-equalization, as is Sydney getting access to father-sons AND academy players. You are double dipping here and that's the problem.

You should get father-son like the rest and the COLA which you retain by the way for players at the lower wage scale and that's it! I think people in the southern states are sick of artificially pump-priming northern carcasses to their own detriment.
 

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Zones would be the biggest anti equalisation policy ever. Equalisation is something your President has been foaming at the mouth about ever since he found out a kid by the name of Heeney was a potentially good footballer.

So now we have the Heeney drafting system in place. It's mighty complicated but apparently fair? The Swans give up pick 18, 37, 54 & 68 plus Malceski to snag Heeney - nice one Eddie!
And as always Eddie, Collingwood and Victoria always wins. Suck it. How do you like those apples? If you listen to Sydney "supporters " it's all you taste
 

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God I hope not. Don't need the Hawks getting the south east again. Already rode that wave.


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There's a lot of things to be said for the old zoning system.

No, no, no, NO, no.

When zoning was still in place, in the 23 years between 1967 and 1989 Richmond won 5 flags, Carlton won 7 flags and Hawthorn 7 flags (and another in 1991). Sydney's zone was a piece of s**t.

As Old Spice said, the most uncompetitive era of football ever was the end result of the zone system. Only 5 clubs won every flag in the 23 seasons from 1967 up until 1989. These 5 teams also supplied 14 of the 23 runners up in the same period. The draft started in 1987 and the effect took hold in the 1990s.

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But those rules are very easily broken. (see UEFA club teams consistently being shady with the rules to recruit youngsters to their academies... With Leo Messi being the most obvious example: Barcelona paid for his medical treatment at 11 after his family agreed to move him to Spain so that he could join their academy... As otherwise they werent allowed to recruit him until 16)

Linking a professional team with junior academies or zones, though probably good for development of an individual player, flies in the face of equalisation - which is the whole purpose of the draft.

There would be ways for the big clubs to pump more money/resources into their zones. (again, not a bad thing in itself - but it is for equalisation)... And even without any interfering by the AFL club, just that link with a certain zone/school/TAC team could play a big role in where a parents wants their child to be playing/going to school... And clubs will find ways to take advantage of that.

You are spot on
As Old Spice said, the most uncompetitive era of football ever was the end result of the zone system. Only 5 clubs won every flag in the 23 seasons from 1967 up until 1989. These 5 teams also supplied 14 of the 23 runners up in the same period. The draft started in 1987 and the effect took hold in the 1990s.

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NO argument from me - except that from a country football perspective the game has gone backwards downhill towing a load of bricks since zoning was abolished. there needs to be some incentive for a club to nurture a country area
 

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It's a pointless discussion because this won't happen (despite it having my full support) on top of the most logical TAC club to align Collingwood to is the Knight's and Carlton's is the Pioneer's.
Look you are right it want happen but if it did Carlton would have the Knights as they train at Princess Park play half there games there and are aligned to the northern blues
 
There's no way on God's green earth that the northern clubs will be paying for the academies. The competition as a whole pays for that so the players drawn from it belong to the national draft pool as far as I'm concerned. A zone player each year to GC and GWS as compo for not having father-sons.

Zoning would become an absolute dog's breakfast.
 

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I like it, since we don't really have a college ball type system, I'd love to how this would work. Get involvement all the way through from TAC Cup, VFL and AFL and gain more fans and a stronger linkage to players.

If we can get mass crowds to TAC and VFL through knowledge that we're 80% going to draft their best player than go for it.
 
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You are spot on


NO argument from me - except that from a country football perspective the game has gone backwards downhill towing a load of bricks since zoning was abolished. there needs to be some incentive for a club to nurture a country area

ask the league to do it - not individual clubs with vested interests.
 

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ask the league to do it - not individual clubs with vested interests.
Disagree - you'd have to live in an area like Ararat to see the massive impact a club with a vested interest in the area had on the zone. Once zones were abolished Collingwood cut the area dead. I don't blame them. The AFL runs clinics but they send up no name players from various clubs . There isn't engagement or buy in. Country footy is dying. 20 years ago this town had an association of 10 teams plus a team playing in the Wimmera league. Now the association is gone. One team plays in the Wimmera League and another - a loose amalgam of the old association plays in the Minenara league.
 

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Zones were, and would be, farcical. Won't happen.


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When trying to get 12 and 14 Years old does not mean they would come guns
Have a look the academies Dave. You get enough kids through it at an early age, you'll eventually get some guns.

If we could pour $1M a year into an academy and get just 1 top 10 talent on the cheap every 5 years, we'd pay that for sure.
 
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Disagree - you'd have to live in an area like Ararat to see the massive impact a club with a vested interest in the area had on the zone. Once zones were abolished Collingwood cut the area dead. I don't blame them. The AFL runs clinics but they send up no name players from various clubs . There isn't engagement or buy in. Country footy is dying. 20 years ago this town had an association of 10 teams plus a team playing in the Wimmera league. Now the association is gone. One team plays in the Wimmera League and another - a loose amalgam of the old association plays in the Minenara league.

thats not the fault of the removal of zoning. thats society. same thing has happened in metro melbourne, and all over the country. sports, and particularly footy involvement, has dropped everywhere. blame the internet, blame drugs, blame live tv games. its not zoning.
 

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