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Disagree, as would most neutral observers. It was a mistake, but not THE mistake, or the only mistake. People want to reduce our problems to a single cause, and the Kelly trade is an obvious target. But a team does not become this bad (on historical scales) without making multiple compounding...

Sure, luck plays a role. Geelong's older brigade also benefit from not needing to travel every week. But our injury woes have more to do with the U-shaped profile of our list coinciding with the necessity of transitioning to a high-intensity gameplan. Again, this was within our control. With a...

We were indeed competing in 2018 and 2019. By 2020 the ship had sailed. The Jackson trade was at the end of 2022. Only now at the end of 2024, 5 years after our window shut, will we be in a position to make a play for quality departing players. This missed opportunity is on the back of poor list...

You are correct, we were not in a position to get either player, but that is because we had structured our list as though it were competing for a premiership. The preceeding 2 years of draft capital had been lost to Kelly trade, as had cap space (approx 1 mil per year). And we had no cap space...

No one is suggesting it's an even playing field. But this is not the main reason our list is in such a bad state. Our list management is. And most draftees are from Victoria, so naturally Vic players will be overrepresented in the expansion teams. Likewise, there are more Vic clubs to compete...

And most importantly, Geelong did not overestimate their list. They knew where they were at relative to the competition, and traded/drafted appropriately, culminating in a premiership. In contrast, we held onto the delusion our list was able to compete (until this year as indicated in multiple...

This comparison does not help our case and deflects from our poor list management over an extended period. Cameron was/is one the best, if not the best key forward in the game, and had been so for the better part of the decade before Geelong traded for him. He would be first choice KPF for...

I think we dodged another list management error bullet here. I can't comprehend why we had our F1 on the table last year, given our young midfield cohort is sorely lacking skill and class, and that we'd likely (almost certainly) hold pick 1 or 2 in the 2024 draft and thus have a shot at FOS...

Big relief. Hoping he gets a clean run at rotating through the midfield. One of the few sources of organic growth available in the list beyond the young brigade

Have been waiting for someone to point this out. Most critiques have focused on his kicking, which is indeed poor, but can be absorbed by the team given his likely role as a purely inside clearance specialist. This is why his handpassing is concerning. It is loopy and slow (in execution also)...

That is true, and I hope we select a classy mid with our first next year, but I just don't see the need for Hall if we intend to take said classy mid in the top 5 next year. We can only play so many midfielders, and spend so many draft picks on midfielders when we have numerous other...

Someone will need to kick the ball eventually. This midfield mix is sorely lacking class and footskills. Chesser is nothing special by foot either

How is Hall in addition to those 3 a good mix? He's a poor man's version of them. Someone with a bit of class and footskills would balance their power and strength.

We would be mad not to accept this. Is it in the realm of possibility though? North aren't giving up 2 and 3. 2 and 6 might be possible (if North do some legwork). Would people be happy with McKercher and Curtin for Reid? I'm sure most on here would not be. I'd do it as I rate McKercher nearly...

We did exactly this in 2019 with Tim Kelly. By your logic, we sold the future out for one expensive 25 year old, rather than two as Richmond did, to keep the window open. Of the draftees taken over the two impacted drafts (2019 and 2020), only 2 players remain on the list (Jameison and...

Waterman is a fringe player in the poorest list in the comp and has been surpassed by an 18 year old skinny tall who was overlooked in the national draft. Waterman is a level or 2 below an average AFL player and firmly in that tweener bracket of too good for state level but not quite the...

They are similar in their lack of defensive accountability and defensive running from stoppage. They get slaughtered on the spread. I think many are conflating contested, ball-winning ability (which Crouch possesses) with defensive, disciplined ability (which Crouch does not). If a player like...

Dropping Crouch to the SANFL catalysed Adelaide's rapid improvement. Opposition teams identified Crouch's treacle pace and diabolical defensive running, and used him as a springboard from stoppages. He is a liability. Our midfield already gets bypassed from stoppage as if they're not even...

A dismissive and thoughtless, yet not unexpected reply. If the talk of structures and roles is too esoteric, then I would simply argue that the line between pure inside contested mids and pure outide uncontested running wings is blurring. The fact that Mitch Robinson can accept that is telling...

Such black-and-white thinking isn't in line with how the game is currently played. There is a reason why "most teams lack this kind of player at the minute". The game has evolved since the early-mid 90s and arguably the wing position has changed, structurally, more than any other. They now...

I'm not sure if you are deliberately missing the point, so at the risk of repeition (or wasting everyone's time), I'll try again. By this reasoning, all criticism of or protest against fossil fuel companies is illegitimate. People do not simply have a choice to stop using fossil fuels. The...

I need to be clearer. I differented sport teams from listed companies because they are not legally required to maximise profits. They do not need to take sponsorship income from the highest bidder. They can include other parameters or stakeholders in their decision making (this includes ethics)...

People/groups have different opinions on matters, including companies and the products they produce. They have the right to voice those opinions, which includes the right to protest. It has always been this way and it always will be. It is not a slippery slope. Being labelled a hypocrite...

This argument is not as clever as you think it is. Consumers do not have a real choice to use or not use gas or fossil fuels. The disproportionate amd unchecked influence of energy companies in Australian politics and the media is a significant contributing factor to the lack of a viable...

You can make reasoned delineations between each of those companies/enterprises you have listed. Even the oil/gas companies listed differ in their ethical standards (i.e. there would be a stronger case to protest say Shell sponsoring your team than Woodside). Sport teams (at least in the AFL)...

This is the one permutation where our slide from pick 2 to 8 + 12 backfires. Pick 8 (9 inc. Ashcroft) shapes as a transitional pick in this draft where the high-end talent becomes more speculative (i.e. Phillipou), or conversely, the sure prospects have a lower ceiling (i.e. Clark), or...

Phillipou is a difficult prospect to rate, which explains the range of placings on him. While he looks awkward in his lumbering movement and kicking, he somehow brings it all together which lends to an odd incoherence in his visible traits and end product/impact. Will he retain this end product...

Of all the holes in the list, small forward is perhaps the most under-recognised as it has only recently been a position of strength. If the recruiters believe Darcy Jones can transition to a genuine small forward, then I wouldn't be against taking him at 26, although I'm not convinced by him...

Swap Tsatas for Clark for the worst case scenario. Tsatas' kicking is a serious concern, but he presents as a modern, line breaking, balanced inside-out mid. Can find his own ball easily so by no means an outside player. Clark has a low floor but also a low ceiling. I'd want more quality from...

A very valuable aspect to his game we have yet to tap into. Finding a way for him to hit the scoreboard will go some way to unlocking his best at the Eagles.