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If Essendon get away with this then AFL is the laughing stock of football. Soccer is already on the verge of smashing it, attendances are falling, and will continue to fall. If the bombers are allowed to run a systemic drug program and walk away then there will be a lot of people walking away...

Mate you are talking out your arse you really are. No one likes to listen to a Blues support talk us up like were going to win the flag - its moronic - but equally moronic is just throwing your hands up and talking absolute SPUD. First class Idaho. Fried chips champ. Show some balance. Lets...

Bullshit.

Second best in the comp. God damned Tiges with their kiddy winning song, its like lollies.

No you had SOME injuries - not to the extent. Have you bothered to take a look at the the turnover of the list ? Have you bothered to look at the new players ? I'm not saying the blues are going to win a flag - I am saying we finished a LONG way down, we have some fantastic talent who were NOT...

Mate - Walker is 27 - in his absolute prime, Murphy is 26......soooo ridiculous comments. Carrazzo, Armfield, Wood, are all fringe players ?! Who cares. Casboult, Henderson, Jaksch, Jones, Menzel and Watson - Henderson is already spanking it. Menzel has also cemented himself. Casboult needs to...

Yeah - if your going to talk crap why bother. We had 7 of our most important players out - Hawks wouldn't make the 8 with those injuries either. We lost to Cats twice by less than a kick, Freo, GWS, Brisbane - all one goal games. We beat some seriously in form teams - spanked them. We have...

7 of Carltons best senior players out or played injured for large parts or ALL of the season : Kruezer Judd Murphy Everitt Andrew Walker Henderson Daisy Thomas Buckley (I know, but we love him). Outside of the years Carlton struggled with their salary cap breaches (2002-2007) 2014 was...

Outside of the pain of the years of punishment Carlton endured after the salary cap years - 2002 - 2007 - our ladder position last season was our worst ever. In fact we did not win so few games since 1925 - when we played 5 less games in a season. So - basically - without the salary cap...

23 new players - do you follow Aussie Rules or some other sport ?

Can you provide your source on that - because that's bullshit. Since these are not courts of law.

"full of seriously left wing leaning, pot smoking, big business hating ex hippies," You sound well adjusted. Here's a tip champ - the left wing are PRO-BUSINESS, you got that ?! They do more for business than the right wing. Do you know what right wing is ? The right wing is tearing apart...

We live in the most conservative society imaginable. It is grotesque the way people morally police everyone and everything - its not ok. People seriously need to give the Victorian Era moralism a rest. It is the only sense of power people have, and unfortunately it comes from the media...

The 1960's were a time of radical change. People, society had been bogged down by the unyielding burden of civil propriety, high moralism, extreme expectations of conformity since the the most oppressive years of the Victorian era when any impropriety meant someone was shunned from society...

They were injecting drugs which were not approved for human use. If what you say transpires - why do we need Work Cover? They play no role.

$300k, one game a week, 6 months a year, training a few days a week. Yup. They post, when not LOL'ing cats on Reddit. They all LOVE social media.

Grant Thomas. :drunk:

Asking to be investigated, agreeing to joint investigation, then legal action to claim said investigation illegal. Something, something Topical Thunder, Something Rain man.

Hi - can you please provide us the quote where the Gillard Government said, specifically that: A - They said they wanted Essendon stripped of points. B-They said they wanted Essendon employees sacked. Can you provide that ? No ? This is just a bullshit slander operation ? Gee Whiz - not...

Players were offered reduced sentences on "SUBSTANTIAL" cooperation. None came - no 6 months. PERIOD - that is so bloody obvious. According to WADA and ASADA and everything else on this entire issue - yes - the clubs direct involvement means they will be penalised - as they were last year - are...

Oh sorry, enlighten us all. Apparently no one else knows anything about this except byronstjames. Do you want me to ring up the entire football world and let them know that you are the only one who knows anything - or are you going to use your omnipotent powers to spread the word telepathically ?

Um - this is Essendons last throw of the dice - people seem to forget that. If they are unsuccessful here - and it looks farcical at this stage - then the players have pretty much done their dash on any reduced sentences, 2 years, while Essendon will be done for systematic doping and also...

Middleton did not say that. Middleton said he could see how and why it was important for them to work together and fundamentally agreed there were circumstances which would mean placing a limit on that cooperation was impossible. That was the ENTIRE point of the exchange. It was very, very clear.

Sorry did you not even bother watching the live feed. ASADA's lawyer presented 8 separate counts of where the regulations, code AND legislation specifically pointed towards the governing bodies and investigative bodies being required to work together - not at arms length, but in a cooperative...

ASADA's lawyer provided 8 separate accounts where this is EXACTLY the law. Starting with the sports highest bodies all the way down to the AFL's regulation with ASADA and even Essendons contract with the AFL in regards to this. In fact it was almost ALL OF HIS CASE - not utter tripe - but the...

Honestly mate - its like the cops admitting that they asked a Judge for a search warrant as PROOF there is collusion between the courts and police - even though that is exactly how it is meant to happen. Yes - by LAW - ASADA is meant to work with the AFL.

How do you come up with this ? The legislation, the regulations, the codes - absolutely EVERYTHING stipulates that regulatory bodies - iE the AFL - are MEANT to conduct the investigations JOINTLY. Just because Essendon has decided to describe that as a conflict of interest does not in any way...

No he clearly agreed that they should be allowed to work together - he merely questioned how far this cooperation should go, and then answered it for himself - which was quite clear in his assessment that the requirement for expertise was only one of many possible issues. The point which is...

Exactly and precisely this. I suspect a lot of people are simply ignoring the summary of ASADA's lawyer and assuming this court case is about whether or not the AFL and ASADA colluded. Its not about that at all. Its not even about are they ALLOWED to. It has been made abundantly clear by the...

Actually the judge not only AGREED that the legislation, code and contracts all pointed towards governing bodies and doping authorities absolutely HAVE to work together, and then went further and asked how far that cooperation should extend, and even continued by answering his own question by...