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Apparently we're not allowed to hate you because it is racist.

In a 250 kick season that is 25 scoring shots. So maybe 15 goals he gives up in comparison to JJK in exchange for greater influence up-field. You're basically swapping a bunch of full-forward lead-and-mark style goals for the occasional Talia/Hooker 3-bounce freak effort, or the insane bombs...

Not me. Just using them to illustrate the different playing styles. You seem to prefer the kick/scoring shot ratio. That's ok, let's do that: Last three seasons of JJK (his peak and best form): 624 kicks, 357 scoring shots. Ratio of 57%. Franklin 2007/2008 playing as a deep forward: 509...

Not really buying this. Half forwards are still clearly different. They often get the ball when outside of shooting range, and handball a lot more. Here's a list of 100+ handball seasons by player: N. Riewoldt - 8 W. Carey - 7 L. Franklin - 7 J. Roughead - 7 J. Brown - 6 W. Tredrea - 4 M...

Not in 30 years time. They all seem to think it now. There was some segment on Triple-M I happened to hear in the car where the commentators were ranking the retiring class of 2017, and nearly every one of them went Hodge, Riewoldt, Mitchell (or Mitchell even lower!). I mean, obviously I love...

Hodge and Mitchell. I keep hearing people in the media and opposition supporters putting Hodge well ahead of Mitchell. I love them both, but I just can't wrap my head around it.

Once upon a time, there was a season played where two players (both greats of the game) put up these numbers: Player A: 102.45 in 23 games 249 disposals 132 marks 12 Tackles Player B: 82.55 in 25 games 486 disposals 200 marks 31 tackles Which season do you think is lauded as one of the most...

Who was better in '96? Dunstall or Carey? Because that's basically the argument you're all having here. Josh Kennedy averages about 60-70 handballs a season. Franklin often gets to about 130-150. One is a half-forward involved in midfield play, one isn't. The astonishing bit is that...

Atoning Unifex?

Strange thread. Boyd played very well in the GF, but he was a bit part part player in your premiership. If his name was Joe Bloggs and he was on 100k a year, filled in with some ruckwork, kicked 10 goals all year then bobbed up with three and some key marks in the grannie, you wouldn't be...

Yeah nah. 1992 saw him kick 145, then 123, 101, 66, 102, 21 (injured) and 54. Those seven seasons he went at 4.93 goals/game - his career average was only 4.66. So basically, he was better when Hawthorn were s**t. Edit: I had a number wrong and fixed it.

Everything is relative, he's a stay at home forward compared to Buddy, N. Riewoldt, Carey, etc. I don't actually care about handballs, I'm just using them as a handy way to illustrate that the two players aren't playing the same position. If I had some fancy heat charts I'd show those, but I...

It's a proxy for how far up the ground they are, and how involved in general play.

Jason Dunstall is my favourite player ever, but I wouldn't dream of claiming that he was better than Carey in 1996 just because he kicked a few more goals. That would be dumb. Dunstall 1996 (23 games) Goals 102 Kicks 187 Handballs 62 Carey 1996 (25 games) Goals 82 Kicks 332 Handballs 154 JD...

There aren't many statistics in sport that are bigger outliers than Bradman's average. Someone just mentioned Phelp's 23 gold medals, but that isn't really what we're talking about - that is an accumulated achievement/longevity stat. He can rack that up by being slightly better than the...

What was Gary Ablett Snr. averaging before he moved to full forward in 1993? Franklin isn't playing as a full forward at the moment - he's been posting up Carey style stats since 2009 (60-85 goals. 100+ handballs, lots of ball around the ground). Who's to say that an ageing Buddy won't play...

This thread isn't here for your amusement. It's here so we have something to point morons at when they claim Hawthorn has benefited from free agency. If BigFooty and the media wasn't full of said morons, the thread wouldn't be required.

EFA

Mate, the way Geelong fans carry on it is the biggest upset of all time. You use the word 'bradbury' as if Hawthorn were the worst team in the comp and the only way they could win is if you fell over. I hate to break it to you, but when you're facing a team with the two best KPFs of the last...

Lol, yeah, you got "bradbury'ed" by a team including Roughead, Franklin, Hodge, Rioli, Birchall, Lewis, Mitchell, Crawford, Croad and Dew. How did those hacks ever pull it off? I still can't believe it.

You mean the EPL fifteen years ago? 'Cos just about anyone can win the EPL these days.

Don't be daft. Even putting aside the argument over whether it is easier to kick goals in a good team where it is shared around or a weaker one where you are the sole focal point... it turns out that the very idea that Dunstall was always in better teams than Plugger is a bit of a myth. Keep...

Did it occur to you that the millions of matches might be showing that home crowd is an advantage, instead of home ground?

You weren't given a "trade ban". Where does this come from? You were told that you wouldn't be allowed to trade players in until you got back under the regular salary cap (not the COLA enhanced one). So in other words, the same rules as the rest of us. You were entirely free to trade players...

Let's think this through carefully... one of the members of the North Melbourne sides of the mid 90s is still playing. And he still looks pretty handy to me. I suppose he has the advantage of all of these supposed modern training techniques and tactics... but he also has the slight...

Lol, "a few injuries". Here's the lineup: http://www.afl.com.au/match-centre/2014/10/port-v-haw We were missing Rioli, Roughead, Gibson, Mitchell and Lake, and then a few second stringers like Spangher. Hodge was first game back from a groin injury. So I guess with Hodge and Burgoyne...

This is pure comedy. You've got a CHF who goes through the middle and ruck, actually contributes to his team's play and kicks just as many goals as your beloved Jack, and you still rate the stay-at-home full forward higher. No one other than tiger fans would take Jack over Roughy. Handballs...

This is Jack, he's kicked 461 goals, but also: Handballs 2007 19 2008 51 2009 73 2010 37 2011 59 2012 80 2013 69 2014 74 2015 76 This is Jarryd Roughead, he's kicked 491 goals, but also: Handballs 2005 79 2006 108 2007 85 2008 100 2009 93 2010 94 2011 72 2012...

So Buddy's 750 at age 29 from (largely) centre-half forward is equivalent to roughly 1100 back then? Is that what you're arguing? Wow

But how many touches did Zizou get? That's what is important. I have to know or I can't possibly assess his performance. It's been a while since I saw it, did the commentators spend the entire match telling us that he'd kicked the ball 45 times? I reckon the Barcelona half-backs must be at...