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Im sorry, but i have to strongly disagree. Leaving Hodge, Mitch and watson aside for a second. To say Bartel is over rated is just plain wrong. Players are rated on consistancy and how they perform in big games and jimmy has done both for a long time now. Not as good as Ablett but at LEAST...

Gibson. not taking anything away from gwilt but Gibson has surprised me since he has come to Hawthorn. Great spoiler, excellent disposal and is rarely beaten. one of the poorer AA decisions in recent years to leave him out.

Fair enough, but i think the question being asked is who is the better player, and the overwhelming consensus is Sewell. No disgrace in being inferior to Brad Sewell. i would say Robinsons hunger for the contest is comparable to sewell tho.

Just makes it seem even more ridiculous....

Fyfe by a little bit. Scully has all the attributes to be a champ, but Fyfe is nearly there already. Absolute gun!

Sewell has the runs on the board, so therfore he is the better player. This seasons form is even arguable. And to compare them at 22 is prob a little unfair as Sewell was only senior listed when he was 20-21 if my memory serves me correct. Robinson has improved greatly, but to say he is better...

Ur being pretty harsh on mitch. I never said ne was THE BEST. I said in the best. Just think he is extremelly under rated. Over the last 8 or so years he has been consistantly better than most in clearances. His kicking is at least the equal of hayes and is better with his hands. Hayes is prob...

Ridiculous that he has not been AA before. As a geelong supporter pointed out in another thread, Cameron Ling has a couple of AAs. I might be wrong here but i think most would agree Mitchell is the superior footballer to Ling. Not a slight on Ling, is a very good player. But Mitchell has been...

Very unfair. One incident has tainted his image. No more courageous man on the field these days. Including Hayes, Hodge J brown.

Thomas has, through hard work, turned himself into a tough inside/outside player of almost the highest level. If he has another season like last year he will be up with the best players in the comp. Was a battering ram in the gFs last year. Higgens is now behind thomas but mainly due to injuries.

Rubbish. Goddard and hodge are both in the top 5-7 plyers in the comp at the moment. I would have it- Ablett Goddard Swan Hodge Reiwoldt Franklin Sandilands Judd Pav Hayes Selwood, Pendles goodes

I know this is not about Hodge, but he played ruck rover all season and had a hard tag EVERY WEEK. Hence AA Ruck rover! Give it up mate, Goddard is the preferred player. Swan is still a gun...just not on Goddards level;)

I did say "seems". Clearly he is not. He is a gun as i have said before. Its just i would take at least 5-10 players in the league before him if i had the choice.

Agreed, all im saying is pendles is MORE of an inside mid. But you are right in sayin its not black and white!! In the end all i am trying to say is i would rather goddard than swan at hawthorn. I go to plenty of pies games during the year with mates and agree swan is the most consistant mid in...

Im just saying as a pure inside midfielder, which swan is not. He gets more outside ball than pendles. I think they count a clearance as taking the ball away from the bounce or throw in. Not sure how they count it exactly. But again stats arent everything. Most people would consider pendles an...

Look, i can see we are getting nowhere. Agree to disagree. I know its hard to accept that people rate someone over your pride and joy. I have had to accept it for a long time with the judd/hodge thing. I think Goddard will move morwe to the midfield this year and improve even more. Should be the...

Good points, but im talking about skills in general, not stats. Yes swan is prob better in close congestion, but only just. Goddard showed he can crash and bash during this year. He has swan covered in kicking, marking. Handball prob even. He is more versatile. Swan is a gun, but you would take...

Come on, being a bit simple here aren't we. I have had my doubts on goddard for a while. Always thought he was slightly soft and would never live up to his potential. But the last 2 years have been awesome, and in the GFs he proved he can play hard tough football at the highest level. A lot of...

As great as swan was this year i just can't find anything he does better than goddard. Maybe he has a bigger tank but thats about it. Goddard can play anywhere on the field, is a game breaker and proved he is a big game player in the finals. Not that swan isn't, Goddard just does it more...

Lol. Swallow needs 7 or 8 years of A grade inside football to get anywhere near Mitchell buddy. Not saying he wont get there, but Mitchell is the best player in the comp not to have been AA and the most consistant clearance player of the last 7-8 years.

This. Being a hawk, i would choose roughy. He is more of a crash and bash high marking forward than cloke. Having said that, cloke is the better body on body contested mark. Also the better lead up. Kicking-both are poor, though roughead was pretty good early in his career (really cant work out...

People can see the quality in our top 8-10 players. Hodge, Mitchell, Franklin, Rioli, Lewis, Sewell, Roughead, Burgoyne are all potential A graders. It s our bottom 6 players and lack of ruckman that has held us back. Obviously we are no gaurantee to challenge but if we can get our shit together...

LOL. No doubt Swallow is the harder of the 2 but Rioli has won plenty of his own ball mate. Get a clue.

Lol, funny and partially true. But the poll doesnt lie in this case- Swan is a slightly better alround player than watson. Wouldnt go as far to call Watson pure class. Is classy in close but has had to work hard to get where he is. They are different players though. So it would depend on what...

Sewell is up there with the toughest around the ball in the comp. But swallow is heading that way. Sewell has been down SLIGHTLY this year. Tough decision but im happy with sewell.

Dane Swan thanks. Is a gun. Watson is good but the ONLY area he is better than swan would be inside/ clearance work.

Well maybe not bagged us, but the argument was always "hawthorn stuffed up by not picking Judd". mainly the media. A lot of my mates also said it. And at the time they were right.

Look, we will go back and orth about this till the day they both retire and beyond. My opinion is Judd 02-06, clearly better. was an A grade elite midfielder who was THE BEst player in the comp. Hodge took a while to get over his injury issues, and has been an A grader since 05. But over the...

Hodge haters (mainly carlton wanks) can F*** off out of this thread! We are trying to have a reasonable comparison. Seriously, both guns. Hodge is my fav for obvious reasons. goddard is rising to one of the better players going around at the moment. But the facts are Hodge is a better...

Kreuzer is a very good player already and will prob become the second best ruckman in the comp (behind Natanui). He is strong, works hard and has a little bit of x factor for a guy his size. I have been a bit annoyed with all the hype around Cyril. Gary Lyon and Crawf are 2 that have said...