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    Play Nice Hawthorn culture and Fagan

    Good night and good bye.
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    Play Nice Hawthorn culture and Fagan

    How many people exist in an abusive environment and yet defend their abuser? Why do so many people (mainly women) defend their partners until they are destroyed by them, or in the worst case killed. If you have never been abused you cannot understand the power the abuser holds over you.
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    Play Nice Hawthorn culture and Fagan

    s**t just got real. "In their first public statement, the Rioli’s are joined by former Hawks Carl Peterson and Jermaine Miller-Lewis, along with Jermaine’s wife Montanah and the club’s former indigenous manager Leon Egan, in describing the investigation as a “public sh*tshow” – and one they...
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    Play Nice Hawthorn culture and Fagan

    Not according to the law, if a man was to confiscate his partners sim card and tell them they couldn't communicate with certain friends or family he would be guilty of 'coercive control' and theer by abuse and domestic violence. The law doesn't pick or choose were it is appropriate and where it...
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    Play Nice Hawthorn culture and Fagan

    His own words, carefully chosen I would imagine given the gravity of the situation. I'm not here to second guess him. Pushed is a very honest admission by him, we all make mistakes, and he does show contrition for some of the events detailed.
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    Play Nice Hawthorn culture and Fagan

    If I was told I had to surrender a sim card or stop associating with certain friends or relatives I would take issue with it. The fact that we have around 8 indigenous players who have so far reported this exact treatment, yet no others have seems odd considering as I said they only represent...
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    Play Nice Hawthorn culture and Fagan

    Yes Hawthorne will want to hope so, and hope they will come forward with similar stories of abuse. There are 16 to 18 individuals involved in the claims so far, so 8 or 9 players. AFL lists have around 11% indigenous representation on their lists, so of the 89% other non-indigenous players it...
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    Play Nice Hawthorn culture and Fagan

    Just had a quick read, his version of events is very similar to Fagan's and Clarkson's but very different from the complainants, as he acknowledges himself. Burt was asked how he could reconcile his version with Ian’s accusation and Amy’s description of the incident, which was based on what her...
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    Play Nice Hawthorn culture and Fagan

    Yes, I was just acknowledging what he said on the matter.
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    Play Nice Hawthorn culture and Fagan

    I didn't imply his stance had softened, I was simply pointing out that he acknowledged that he couldn't say which stories were true or false, other than his own. If anything this acknowledgement makes me believe him more, to admit he is not able to say the accusations are all untrue. He just...
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    Play Nice Hawthorn culture and Fagan

    Actually at the very start I mention that he feels innocent of the events.
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    Play Nice Hawthorn culture and Fagan

    Also: “There are a lot of stories – I don‘t know what ones are true and what ones aren’t,” Fagan said on Thursday. Sounds like while he accepts that though he feels innocent of the events he acknowledges that he cannot speak to all of them and accepts that there may be some truth to them. I...
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    Review Round 10, 2023 - Brisbane Lions vs. Gold Coast

    Well Charlie agrees with you. "His quality is his leadership, he's from a quality side ... he played unreal footy at Hawthorn," Cameron said. "Having him to learn from, a different player to what we have as our talls at the moment, he's a lead-up player, he's crafty. For me and our other...
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    Review Round 10, 2023 - Brisbane Lions vs. Gold Coast

    "Fort can move like a 6th midfielder when needed, can run on an opponent too." Look he's no Steph Martin and isn't a very good around the ground, three rucks in the same side is an bad idea and Joe HAS to play relief ruck, as we have seen in last few weeks to get his confidence up and get him...
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