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If Essendon defeat Richmond in round 23, they will finish with a match/win% of 68.18% which would be the 9th highest for a team that missed the finals.
If they lose, their match/win% of 63.64% will rank equal 24th for a team outside of a finals place.

(Essendon 2013 however will always have an asterisk.)
 

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Last year Essendon missed the finals after being 3rd in Round 13. This year they one-upped that; missing the finals from 2nd in Round 17.

In the 16 team era, what is the latest in the season that a team has been in each position from 1st to 6th and still missed the finals?
 
Sellyme said:
In the 16 team era, what is the latest in the season that a team has been in each position from 1st to 6th and still missed the finals?
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All eras (pre-1972, 72-90, 91-93, 94+):

Posn|Top 4|Top 5|Top 6|Top 8
\1st|14|7|8|9
\2nd|16|7|9|17
\3rd|19|16|11|16
\4th|18|20|22|20
\5th||21|23|22
\6th|||23|20
\7th||||22
\8th||||23
 
I have a couple of questions I was hoping somebody could answer:

1. Does anyone have a list of players who have played for both the West Coast Eagles and Fremantle Dockers; the Adelaide Crows and Port Adelaide Power; the Brisbane Lions and Gold Coast Suns; and for both the Sydney Swans and GWS Giants? I am aware of some players who have played for both West Coast and Fremantle in the 1990s (David Hynes and Scott Watters), but don't have a full list.

2. In the VFL last weekend the Geelong Cats team administered a 201-point thrashing to the Bendigo Gold. While this competition has seen some terrible teams over the years, does anyone know the last time a 200 point margin occurred in the VFA/VFL? I would imagine sometime around 1989-90, when teams such as Sunshine and Camberwell were struggling in the one division league following the demise of second division at the end of 1988.

3. While on the above subject, and more an opinion, the Bendigo Gold are winless this year, following many heavy thrashings. The Gold are the third attempt at a VFL team in the region; following the Diggers (1998-2002) and the Bombers (2003-2011). The Diggers were wooden spooners in 1999-2002, winning just once in 2000 and failing to win at all in 2001 & 2002. Even the AFL aligned Bendigo Bombers went winless in 2009. Considering what a large place Bendigo is, it seems odd that the team should ? Even the TAC Cup team the Bendigo Pioneers has struggled for years, frequently finishing at or near the bottom of the ladder, never winning a premiership and playing just one grand final, back in 2001. The Pioneers not only have Bendigo in their zone they also have Mildura, areas that helped Carlton and Richmond respectively become so dominant under country zoning. So what are the theories as to why the Diggers/Bombers/Gold and Pioneers have struggled so much in Bendigo in recent years?
 
The easiest part of your post Emuboy is that there's not been a Sydney GWS doubler.

Adelaide and Port Adelaide.
Including those who didn't play a game at one or the either.

Scott Hodges, Matthew Bode, David Brown, Brad Symes, Rhett Biglands and Jonathon Yerbury never played for Port (on their inaugural list in 1997 but Yerbury never played a game for Adelaide) and Brett Chalmers are all I can think of.

Oh wait, Hodges never surfaced for Port.

West Coast and Fremantle.

David Hynes, Scott Watters, Daniel Metropolis, Trent Carroll, Greg Harding and Jarrad Schofield (made a Port Adelaide detour) are all I can think of for the Derby.

Brisbane and Gold Coast share Jared Brennan and Michael Rischitelli.
 
emuboy said:
I have a couple of questions I was hoping somebody could answer:

1. Does anyone have a list of players who have played for both the West Coast Eagles and Fremantle Dockers; the Adelaide Crows and Port Adelaide Power; the Brisbane Lions and Gold Coast Suns; and for both the Sydney Swans and GWS Giants? I am aware of some players who have played for both West Coast and Fremantle in the 1990s (David Hynes and Scott Watters), but don't have a full list.
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FREMANTLE & WEST COAST
Trent Carroll
Brendon Fewster
Tony Godden
Greg Harding
David Hynes
Dale Kickett
Brendan Krummel
Daniel Metropolis
Brendon Retzlaff
Jarrad Schofield
Scott Watters

ADELAIDE & PORT ADELAIDE
Matthew Bode
David Brown
Brett Chalmers
Ian Downsborough
Brad Symes

BRISBANE & GOLD COAST
Jared Brennan
Michael Rischitelli

GWS & SYDNEY
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That should be the full list.
 
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RedmanWasHere said:
Who was on top and finished 9th?
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ld be Collingwood in 1997. One of the craziest seasons in recent times, eighth place made the 8 with ten and a half wins (two years prior they qualified with only ten wins). The eventual top four included three teams who finished quite close to the bottom of the ladder the previous year and throughout the season there was no clear domination. The wooden spooner won their first and last games (the only one ever to do this) and the minor premier finished with 15 wins.
 

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Thanks Redman Was Here and 35 Daicos for the information on players who had represented both interstate teams in their state. Quite a lot of Eagles and Dockers, and I thought that the Giants would have recruited at least one former Swan.

On the subject of GWS, last Sunday the Giants were given a 121-point thrashing at the hands of Richmond. This is only the second time a 121-point margin has occurred. Amazingly it was almost 20 years to the day previously, and ironically Richmond were the side beaten that day by Melbourne in Round 21 1993.

While century thrashings occur less frequently and are easy to look up to see when they last occurred, are there any margins between 0 & 99 points that have not come up for some time?
 
emuboy said:
While century thrashings occur less frequently and are easy to look up to see when they last occurred, are there any margins between 0 & 99 points that have not come up for some time?
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Longest droughts are

85pts 2005 R9
99pts 2008 R22
93pts 2009 R20

Longest for a 'low' 100+ margin is 109pts - 1996 R5.
 
Ron The Bear said:
Longest droughts are

85pts 2005 R9
99pts 2008 R22
93pts 2009 R20

Longest for a 'low' 100+ margin is 109pts - 1996 R5.
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Thanks for your assistance Ron The Bear.

I noticed that the 109-point margin last achieved in Round 5 1996 was a win by the Brisbane Bears over Fitzroy, which shows how long ago it was.
 
Sitting here at Docklands at half-time today, has there ever been a final round in which all Top 4 teams playing a non-Top 4 opponent have all lost? Whether that be 2 teams (as is possible today) or even all 4 teams? Or all 3 teams in a round with a bye perhaps?
 
emuboy said:
I have a couple of questions I was hoping somebody could answer:

2. In the VFL last weekend the Geelong Cats team administered a 201-point thrashing to the Bendigo Gold. While this competition has seen some terrible teams over the years, does anyone know the last time a 200 point margin occurred in the VFA/VFL? I would imagine sometime around 1989-90, when teams such as Sunshine and Camberwell were struggling in the one division league following the demise of second division at the end of 1988.
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There was a 250 point margin in round 1, 1991 when Dandenong defeated Brunswick-Broadmeadows, who later disbanded after three rounds that season. The score from that round 1 game was 44.29 (293) to 6.7 (43). This is the most recent instance I know about, until Bendigo's recent thrashing.
 
First three winners this round all scored 112: 17.10, 16.16 and 15.22. Have there been any other instances of the same score three times in a round with different G.B breakdowns?
 
Rourke said:
First three winners this round all scored 112: 17.10, 16.16 and 15.22. Have there been any other instances of the same score three times in a round with different G.B breakdowns?
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Three identical totals has occurred in the same round 80 times. There has never been more than three.

Three different G-B breakdowns has occurred six times, the last in 1966:
1914 R12 - 6.18, 7.12, 8.6.54
1940 R14 - 10.27, 12.15, 13.9.87
1949 R6 - 10.22, 11.16, 12.10.82
1954 R15 - 7.17, 8.11, 9.5.59
1962 R5 - 9.19, 10.13, 11.7.73
1966 R8 - 8.23, 10.11, 11.5.71
 
Ron The Bear said:
Three identical totals has occurred in the same round 80 times. There has never been more than three.

Three different G-B breakdowns has occurred six times, the last in 1966:
1914 R12 - 6.18, 7.12, 8.6.54
1940 R14 - 10.27, 12.15, 13.9.87
1949 R6 - 10.22, 11.16, 12.10.82
1954 R15 - 7.17, 8.11, 9.5.59
1962 R5 - 9.19, 10.13, 11.7.73
1966 R8 - 8.23, 10.11, 11.5.71
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Round 23, 2013 is the first time all three have been winning scores.
 
McCrann said:
Sitting here at Docklands at half-time today, has there ever been a final round in which all Top 4 teams playing a non-Top 4 opponent have all lost? Whether that be 2 teams (as is possible today) or even all 4 teams? Or all 3 teams in a round with a bye perhaps?
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Most is 2 top 4 losing to teams outside the top four since 22 round seasons began in 1970.
 
Have any two team mates ever amassed more than 94 possessions in a game as Jack Steven and Leigh Montagna did today? If not what is the next highest, I'd be surprised if the next best was over 85.
 
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