List Mgmt. Blair Hartley Project 2015

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We over paid for Chaplin
We are over paying for Grigg Newman( shouldn't be on the list) Houli Morris Knights etc etc so as much as I didn't want Greenwood his $450k is relatively cheap in comparison

Please, at least Chappy does add structure down back. Greenwood has had one good season in seven. Paying $450k for one good year is the kind of stupid s**t we used to do (remember daffy?)
 
Please, at least Chappy does add structure down back. Greenwood has had one good season in seven. Paying $450k for one good year is the kind of stupid s**t we used to do (remember daffy?)
Disagree on Chaplin. Give me Greenwood over him any day for the same money
Chaplin is a list clogger and a culture killer IMO ,that's just me
His two EF were the perfect example what he offers under pressure . Paid way overs for a mediocre player
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So it's not to do with the clubs premiership window attractions power as you suggested

I never said it was only one factor.

I said in my previous posts that wage and playing time / opportunity were the main drivers for a player

If they want to get to Melbourne (for instance) singing our song isn't worth sacrificing an extra $100k to play at stkilda for most players

The only caveat to this is clubs who are strong chances of having a gf. This is ultimately what all players want, and the 2-3 clubs in this space get a bit of extra leverage.

Nice try though ;)
 
Disagree on Chaplin. Give me Greenwood over him any day for the same money
Chaplin is a list clogger and a culture killer IMO ,that's just me
His two EF were the perfect example what he offers under pressure . Paid way overs for a mediocre player
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Greenwood isn't on the same money though, he's on more. And off one season
 
How did Melbourne attract Tyson last year?
Essendon with all their scandal still attract players
Carlton got guys going to them
These are all excuses , we just hunt the wrong types and pay overs for them
After Miles lucky pick at 136 last year it was obvious in who's backyard we had to look in
Nope we went for two high risk players who wouldn't IMO have improved our list
The trade period showed me that our recruiters are targeting battlers and they don't have the nous or competence on how to lure a big fish

Melbourne? Bumbers? ... Carlton???
FFS Imposter, which players that have gone to these clubs are u upset about that we didn't target to ours???
 
Some ppl have NFI..
WHO is the BIG FISH we could get this trade period?

WHO? WHO? WHO?

If u can't answer that then u r all talking out of ur arses
Like little children really, keep throwing up the notion of this mystical big fish we missed out on but can't provide answers\solutions to ur arguments
 
Some ppl have NFI..
WHO is the BIG FISH we could get this trade period?

WHO? WHO? WHO?

If u can't answer that then u r all talking out of ur arses
Like little children really, keep throwing up the notion of this mystical big fish we missed out on but can't provide answers\solutions to ur arguments

apparently we should have paid move than $450k for Greenwood, even though that would be overpaying for him

also our supporters are so awesome players will take pay cuts to play for us if we just bothered to ask them
 

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apparently we should have paid move than $450k for Greenwood, even though that would be overpaying for him

also our supporters are so awesome players will take pay cuts to play for us if we just bothered to ask them

Not mention Beams would've been ours only if he just realised we have the best supporter base in the league
 
I don't have to check I'm asking for your opinion, or r u dodging the question?
Kristian Jaksch, Mark Whiley join Carlton in trade from GWS and stole our pick28


Melbourne got Tyson last year
Essendon one year picked up GOLDARD,Chapman and This year it was pick 17 (to go with their pick 20) and Cooney comes along with Giants giant Jonathon Giles
 
Kristian Jaksch, Mark Whiley join Carlton in trade from GWS and stole our pick28


Melbourne got Tyson last year
Essendon one year picked up GOLDARD,Chapman and This year it was pick 17 (to go with their pick 20) and Cooney comes along with Giants giant Jonathon Giles
Not sure pick 12 would have been enough to get Jaksch & Wiley, especially when pick 19 was thrown in as well. We traded pick 32 after compo picks were added to the mix not 28. Melbourne got Tyson from trading pick 2 for Tyson & pick 9, how was pick 12 going to get that done. Goddard went to Essendon on a hefty free agent deal. Chapman went there because Essendon were prepared to offer him a 2-3 year deal. Cooney cost pick 37 which for a bloke with dodgy knees is too much and Giles would have been a waste with us given we already have 5 players capable of playing ruck on the list. Finaly to get pick 17 & 37 Essendon had to give up their number 1 ruck to achieve that deal, it would be like us parting with Riewoldt or Rance. But lets not let facts get in the way of your ranting.
 
The way to get players is to dangle a big carrot in front of their faces. We were not willing to put our fattest, juiciest carrots in front of a player that has had 1 (ONE) good season in 7 years, inconsistent old farts that wouldn't even be able to chew the carrots with their gummy mouths, players that wanted mangoes up in QLD instead of carrots, or players that would have died out on the track with carrots in their mouths. This is because we know that the carrots that are feeding our best couple of players are about to be fully digested and need to be replaced with fresh new ones.

We started the season 3-10. This has been well documented. This has made the carrots look a bit old and mouldy and less attractive to potential recruits, even though all we had to do was wash the dirt off them. In 2015, the pool of talent is such that a golden carrot worthy of Bugs Bunny himself is worth dropping on a player. Of course, even the most engorged, 24 carat solid gold carrot will look like a fat conical turd if there is too much dirt on it.

This is why "being aggressive" is such a wishy washy thing to say. What we need is:
1) a good start to the season, and a good finish to the season in finals.
2) Marked improvement from our bottom 10 players. I mean 10-20% improvement, especially from younger guys.
3) A stable culture, where important players don't want to leave for more dosh because they believe in the club
4) and a vision that isn't overturned by one year of not pulling off any trades.

That's when your carrots start to look tasty.
Most important of all.Re-sign Mr Cotch,Dusty and AA.;)
 
Kristian Jaksch, Mark Whiley join Carlton in trade from GWS and stole our pick28


Melbourne got Tyson last year
Essendon one year picked up GOLDARD,Chapman and This year it was pick 17 (to go with their pick 20) and Cooney comes along with Giants giant Jonathon Giles
You're a very angry supporter... Perhaps you should take a break from criticising the club at every opportunity and have a beer... For your own good brother.
 
Kristian Jaksch, Mark Whiley join Carlton in trade from GWS and stole our pick28


Melbourne got Tyson last year
Essendon one year picked up GOLDARD,Chapman and This year it was pick 17 (to go with their pick 20) and Cooney comes along with Giants giant Jonathon Giles

Well I was gonna reply but its seems it everything has already been said..
 
How did Melbourne attract Tyson last year?
Essendon with all their scandal still attract players
Carlton got guys going to them
These are all excuses , we just hunt the wrong types and pay overs for them
After Miles lucky pick at 136 last year it was obvious in who's backyard we had to look in
Nope we went for two high risk players who wouldn't IMO have improved our list
The trade period showed me that our recruiters are targeting battlers and they don't have the nous or competence on how to lure a big fish

Ok, I am not sure if you are actually serious TI or you posted the above after downing your third Madori cooler.

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How did Melbourne attract Tyson last year? - Well first, Melbourne gave up there number 2,20, and 72 pick and in return received Tyson, 9 and 53. So Melbourne did no attract players, they got Tyson because they offered a deal that simply GWS could not say NO too. It really is bloody simple. Obviously Tyson who was IN CONTRACT at the time ONLY HAD 2 choices. Either accept the deal or stay in GWS. Obviously Tyson wanted out of Sydney that badly that he said yes to Melbourne. If you recall, we had some serious talks with Tyson and GWS to see if we could pry him lose the year prior but unfortunatly we did not have the picks to get the deal done, Melbourne did as they are s**t.

Essendon with all their scandal still attract players- Surely, Surely you are taking the piss ? They attracted Cooney who was booted out of the bulldogs as they recognized his time of valuable football was over and Essendon in light of LOSING there best ruck/forward had to replace Ryder with a "name" player for there foaming masses ( In hindsight, obviously we should have done the same :p). So essentially the only player they attracted was a bloke who should be retired.

Carlton got guys going to them- Woot for Carlton. They actually did a brave trade. They got rid of Pick 9 for 19 and brought in two kids who struggled at there previous club. Now I bet with the success they have seen with Miles they hope lightning will strike twice. They also got Jones but hey, if we wanted to get medicore players from other lists, its not an issue, god knows we have shown how easy it is in prior years. Oh, they LOST Waite who as a neutral is a better player then who they brought in.

we just hunt the wrong types and pay overs for them- Who did we pay overs for this trade period ? Me confused. On one hand you highlight Essendon recruiting of Coony but then cry we pay overs for battlers.....
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Nope we went for two high risk players who wouldn't IMO have improved our list- Now this one gets me. How you can suggest a Fit and Firing jack Trengove would not have improved our midfield or Armitiage for that matter makes me chuckle. If we had of got either one of those two players into our list. 2 guys of the right age who are key components of there clubs future, it would have been a coupe. That was the thing that gives myself solace this trade period and I hope you notice the difference. We target 2 players in there prime or about to enter it compared to other clubs 29 plus year olds on there last chance or speculative players. I know which direction I would choose.

The trade period showed me that our recruiters are targeting battlers and they don't have the nous or competence on how to lure a big fish- I wont rehash about who we choose to target over other clubs as I stated that above. I will say though who was this big fish that the club promised to bring in THIS YEAR. Can you link me the article, blog, facebook post, SMS,blog,podcast or radio/TV interview where our club stated that ?? Everything I hear is that we have positioned our club for 2015 FA period. If you look who was a FA this time round and compare that to next year, well there is a slight increase in quality:rolleyes:.

As to the players of quality who did change clubs - No MELBOURNE club was a chance for Ryder. He used the "I need to get away" excuse to break his contract that he still had two years in. Out of all the interstate clubs, he choose Port, as I would have. Christensen NEEDED to get out of Victoria, so again, no chance for us and Beams wants to play with his brother, again no chance for not only us but any Melbourne club. So how that translates as we are not a attractive club for players to come too has me stumped.

What I find the most funny part out of all this TigerImposter, when it looked like we were a chance to get Levi. You posted post after post after post after post after post about how shocking the club is to choose battlers and plodders. Oh woe is me, why cant the club learn from past mistakes like Chaplin, and Hampson etc. Now because we have pulled out, for the right reasons i might add, you start posting ....."so as much as I didn't want Greenwood his $450k is relatively cheap in comparison":drunk:

Now I agree with Tigerbob and blaisee in the sense we need to be braver. We need to be more aggressive in what we do at the trade table. I believe we have really over corrected our over spending for either hacks or stars that have gone past there prime. That over correction has made us play to safe. I would have offered one of our guns for either the saints first or Melbournes second and third rounder and then tried to pry a dead set gun lose or kept those picks and get 2 future stars for the price of one but we did not do that. BUT to go on and on about we are not a destination club and how other clubs are getting players and we are not and then ignore the facts on which players go to where is beyond silly.
 
Ok, I am not sure if you are actually serious TI or you posted the above after downing your third Madori cooler.

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How did Melbourne attract Tyson last year? - Well first, Melbourne gave up there number 2,20, and 72 pick and in return received Tyson, 9 and 53. So Melbourne did no attract players, they got Tyson because they offered a deal that simply GWS could not say NO too. It really is bloody simple. Obviously Tyson who was IN CONTRACT at the time ONLY HAD 2 choices. Either accept the deal or stay in GWS. Obviously Tyson wanted out of Sydney that badly that he said yes to Melbourne. If you recall, we had some serious talks with Tyson and GWS to see if we could pry him lose the year prior but unfortunatly we did not have the picks to get the deal done, Melbourne did as they are s**t.

Essendon with all their scandal still attract players- Surely, Surely you are taking the piss ? They attracted Cooney who was booted out of the bulldogs as they recognized his time of valuable football was over and Essendon in light of LOSING there best ruck/forward had to replace Ryder with a "name" player for there foaming masses ( In hindsight, obviously we should have done the same :p). So essentially the only player they attracted was a bloke who should be retired.

Carlton got guys going to them- Woot for Carlton. They actually did a brave trade. They got rid of Pick 9 for 19 and brought in two kids who struggled at there previous club. Now I bet with the success they have seen with Miles they hope lightning will strike twice. They also got Jones but hey, if we wanted to get medicore players from other lists, its not an issue, god knows we have shown how easy it is in prior years. Oh, they LOST Waite who as a neutral is a better player then who they brought in.

we just hunt the wrong types and pay overs for them- Who did we pay overs for this trade period ? Me confused. On one hand you highlight Essendon recruiting of Coony but then cry we pay overs for battlers.....
a1e97-britney-confused.gif


Nope we went for two high risk players who wouldn't IMO have improved our list- Now this one gets me. How you can suggest a Fit and Firing jack Trengove would not have improved our midfield or Armitiage for that matter makes me chuckle. If we had of got either one of those two players into our list. 2 guys of the right age who are key components of there clubs future, it would have been a coupe. That was the thing that gives myself solace this trade period and I hope you notice the difference. We target 2 players in there prime or about to enter it compared to other clubs 29 plus year olds on there last chance or speculative players. I know which direction I would choose.

The trade period showed me that our recruiters are targeting battlers and they don't have the nous or competence on how to lure a big fish- I wont rehash about who we choose to target over other clubs as I stated that above. I will say though who was this big fish that the club promised to bring in THIS YEAR. Can you link me the article, blog, facebook post, SMS,blog,podcast or radio/TV interview where our club stated that ?? Everything I hear is that we have positioned our club for 2015 FA period. If you look who was a FA this time round and compare that to next year, well there is a slight increase in quality:rolleyes:.

As to the players of quality who did change clubs - No MELBOURNE club was a chance for Ryder. He used the "I need to get away" excuse to break his contract that he still had two years in. Out of all the interstate clubs, he choose Port, as I would have. Christensen NEEDED to get out of Victoria, so again, no chance for us and Beams wants to play with his brother, again no chance for not only us but any Melbourne club. So how that translates as we are not a attractive club for players to come too has me stumped.

What I find the most funny part out of all this TigerImposter, when it looked like we were a chance to get Levi. You posted post after post after post after post after post about how shocking the club is to choose battlers and plodders. Oh woe is me, why cant the club learn from past mistakes like Chaplin, and Hampson etc. Now because we have pulled out, for the right reasons i might add, you start posting ....."so as much as I didn't want Greenwood his $450k is relatively cheap in comparison":drunk:

Now I agree with Tigerbob and blaisee in the sense we need to be braver. We need to be more aggressive in what we do at the trade table. I believe we have really over corrected our over spending for either hacks or stars that have gone past there prime. That over correction has made us play to safe. I would have offered one of our guns for either the saints first or Melbournes second and third rounder and then tried to pry a dead set gun lose or kept those picks and get 2 future stars for the price of one but we did not do that. BUT to go on and on about we are not a destination club and how other clubs are getting players and we are not and then ignore the facts on which players go to where is beyond silly.
if you were a serious footballer would you got to Melbourne?
Tyson did.
we get the fish the other clubs reject.
lets face it we have never landed a big fish under Dan and rfc stated by rfc74 has no player attraction power.
This is the argument so dont muddy the water
 
Not his fault.

Problem is, they actually believe they are gunna get these players and they don't, ever.

Big problem. we cant land a big fish, we lack the guts and ability to be creative and forceful enough to do it.

I really thought that the first 13 rounds of the season would have woken the footy department up, but it didn't happen.

How they can pat each other on the back and put on the website that we have retained our first pick, like its some kind of achievement is absurd.
Hawthorn haven't had a first round pick in 10 years and they keep on getting better.

Its clear they want some first year draftee contract salaries, but this raises alarm bells for me, because, if we have such a massive war chest, why aren't we using some of it to improve the team THIS bloody year!
Its a mistake, just like letting the fastest bloke, we had on the list, walk out the door last year
I've said this before, but do you expect the football department to just bow their heads in shame and admit to the Richmond supporter base that they are incompetent? It may be a refreshing sense of honesty in a long time but the backlash would be overwhelming. The only thing they really can do is publicly congratulate themselves and try make the supporters excited about the draft. I'm sure within the four walls of the club they are extremely disappointed about the inability to get players down to Punt Rd and are going through an extensive review on their football administrations.
 
You're a very angry supporter... Perhaps you should take a break from criticising the club at every opportunity and have a beer... For your own good brother.
im not angry im disappointed buddy.Big difference.Please keep personal opinion to yourself and remain on topic.

We have never landed a big fish under Dan and rfc stated by rfc74 has no player attraction power.
This is the argument so dont muddy the water
 
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