spudmaster
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True, but I was thinking it could be one of the opening matches for a good chunk of their players.Round 13 thats the second half of the season, Essendon usually fall in a hole by then.
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True, but I was thinking it could be one of the opening matches for a good chunk of their players.Round 13 thats the second half of the season, Essendon usually fall in a hole by then.
He's talking 2015, not 2016True, but I was thinking it could be one of the opening matches for a good chunk of their players.
Are you forgetting that there will be a prosecution as well as a defence, if it wasn't thymosin that the players used please tell us where did the thymomodulin come from.Another poster raised this same point the other day, that Dank's anti-aging clinic only markets TB4.
Now I say to you AT, cannot that bit of evidence be looked at both ways?
How do you think the defence will look at it?
Don't worry about how you look at it or how I look at it, how well the defence look at it?
ASADA's evidence is that this anti-aging clinic paid for the TB4 which Alavi had compounded, and lo and behold, what do you know? This anti-aging clinic markets TB4 to the public.
Have a think of what the defence will make of that.
Hird has them convinced that a very strong 'God' complex will do them well in these proceeding.So what I'm getting from this and other recent threads is that Essendon supporters, and the various apologists, hopes have shifted from them getting off on a legal technicality that sees evidence thrown out, to having key witnesses either discredited or not testify. You'd like to think they had something stronger than that like a plausible defense that begins with, "here are all the records of the non-prohibited supplements our players were injected with and here are all the invoices for their legal purchase."
Are you kidding, so the players admit they took some kind of thymosin good or bad there are realms of evidence that it is thymosin b4 and one photo to prove it was not and you dont think that will cause any issues for the defence, I think you should go and do a little more thinking about this, remember it is not a criminal case.It would help, but no, it is not necessary.
So I take it we've all just forgotten about dank giving thymomodulin to Melbourne players.So who bought the thymomodulin then, where are the receipts the paperwork, strange that there is a trail a mile long pointing to the use of thymosin beta4 including Dank admitting it on national TV but nothing except a photo of a bottle of Thymomodulin taken well after this all began, to prove its use?
At the time I think the players were of the belief that what they were doing under the clubs instruction was above board even if somewhat unusual. I don't think any player thought they were cheating
As information has come out Id be surprised if the players haven't been asking questions behind closed doors about what they were given and how the club has been handling the matter. The fact remains even if they suspect that they might have been duped and given a banned substance, their best chance of getting off us to stick fat with the club. If one of them decides that they have been duped and given a banned substance then they need to break ranks and attempt to strike a deal - that means admitting guilt which would be difficult for someone who genuinely believes they haven't done anything wrong
That the players still seem to support Hird I find harder to reconcile
So it would appear from the above article that the crux of the ASADA case remains:
It would appear McDevitt was correct when he publicly stated that there were gaps in ASADA's evidence.
- the consent forms refer to "thymosin"
- 34 players signed consent forms
- therefore 34 players were administered with TB4
Cosidering I keep retained samples of every single blend I do at my work even for relaese agents for bread trays, I imagine a large pharmacuetical company keeps retained sample of all batches they produce as well.Has the Thymosin beta 4 bought from China actually been analysed and found to be thymosin beta 4, you can never to be to sure.
Does ASADA have an answer for that ?.
ASDA expects us to join the dots.
So what I'm getting from this and other recent threads is that Essendon supporters, and the various apologists, hopes have shifted from them getting off on a legal technicality that sees evidence thrown out, to having key witnesses either discredited or not testify. You'd like to think they had something stronger than that like a plausible defense that begins with, "here are all the records of the non-prohibited supplements our players were injected with and here are all the invoices for their legal purchase."
Cosidering I keep retained samples of every single blend I do at my work even for relaese agents for bread trays, I imagine a large pharmacuetical company keeps retained sample of all batches they produce as well.
Never worked in a manufacturing environment that has requirements for traceability to maintain accreditations I take it.I was being silly to start with and I will stay on that line, but how do we know that the sample kept is the correct sample ?.
My amazement that there has to date been no player / family law suit lodged gainst Essendon for breach of duty of care etc. grows with every post. If my child was involved I would have done this at the outset of the saga.
Speaking of Melbourne, hope you Essendon supporters have been taking note of what a basket case they are, because that is going to be you from next year.So I take it we've all just forgotten about dank giving thymomodulin to Melbourne players.
If there's no paper trail there, then why aren't Melbourne being looked in to?
Yep, this "new" information has very little consequence to the case. Just more PR mud-slinging and the resultant premature ejaculations of joyNo one has ever suggested that Charter purchased Thymomodulin.
It is already contained in the ASADA evidence forming part of the interim report that an anti-aging clinic paid Alavi for the TB4.
I've seen plenty of posters claiming that Chinese companies use thymosin and thymomodulin interchangeably so that it could have been thymomodulin that was supplied. If nothing else this article puts that little bit of bullshit to bed.Yep, this "new" information has very little consequence to the case. Just more PR mud-slinging and the resultant premature ejaculations of joy
heh, heh, as someone aspiring to be a man of letters, my tastes in books is sufficiently high brow
But to the main point, yes, plenty of grey, and that is what the defence will be emphasising in the tribunal.
Do you really support Freo?And that is precisely why no players have come out and said things, because they have asked questions and been satisfied that they were not duped or doped and I might add we are not talking a handful of players here, we are talking 34 players, that is a hell of a lot of players to keep happy.
Had even one player, let alone 34 been suss about taking banned substances you would have heard about it now.
ASADA is desperate for them to take a deal, Mcd posturing, bluffing, blustering now going to Paris has not made them blink.
The most complex case in the world is far from it, other cases involving teams cut across different countries, different jurisdictions, different cultures etc .
We're not talking about Melbourne, when Melbourne players have SCNs then it's time to talk about that until then **** off with your bullshit obfuscation and focus on the matter at hand.So I take it we've all just forgotten about dank giving thymomodulin to Melbourne players.
If there's no paper trail there, then why aren't Melbourne being looked in to?
I was being silly to start with and I will stay on that line, but how do we know that the sample kept is the correct sample ?.
lol what it does is confirm that the Chinese didn't supply Thymomodulin so if that is whatthe players took where is the evidence as there is a bag full that what they took was the banned TB4?Yep, this "new" information has very little consequence to the case. Just more PR mud-slinging and the resultant premature ejaculations of joy
Never worked in a manufacturing environment that has requirements for traceability to maintain accreditations I take it.
Actually not being in person will only weaken the case if there is some form of evidence to cast doubt on his "evidence".Way to miss the crux of an article, he has already given evidence if not there in person it will weaken the case slightly but on the balance of probabilities Essendon are farked.
We know the players took some fom of thymosin, there is a ton of eveidence it was tb4 and 1 photo to prove it was thymomodulin, if Essendon get off there will be much anger in the football World, even you deep down must realise now that what they took was the banned substance TB4?