....but all these theories are more plausible than what is staring you in the face.
Charter underwrote bought peptides were not for human use
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....but all these theories are more plausible than what is staring you in the face.
Gotta admit, when Freo got lyon I was not happy, but as it turns out he is a good coach although the game plan is not easy on the eye, actually grew up as a Collingwood supporter, never liked Essendon, but hated Carlton.
My question to you is .... how difficult is it for you as an avowed Essendon and Hird hater to maintain some semblance of impartiality.
The "everybody else did it" line is no defence. And its no excuse. And its probably not true.
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No it confirms that charter was supplied with a quantity of TB4. On its own it doesn't prove anything more than that.
There are other dots along the way that when combined might prove TB4 was used but ASADA don't have all the dots so it remains to be seen whether they have enough to reach the conclusion TB4 was used to a comfortable level of satisfaction
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My bad I should of made that a statement, not a question. Anyone who suggests a company the size of the one that provided the drugs that EFC doped with wouldn't have a retained sample of the batch, hasn't had any experience in working with accreditations that revolve around trackability.
Said it before and I will say it again, Essendon and Hird have been duly shafted by plenty of political goings on out of their control.
Blackest day in Australian sport being the first one.
lets wait and see what the real evidence presents, MO is that Essendon will be found innocent of all charges of banned doping.
Not a positive test amongst 34 players who stand together convinced of their innocence, no deal taking, that tells me quite a lot.
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Probably a good time to go and shovel some more s**t
inB4 - Percel played rugby, ergo:
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Charter sourced TB4 from China at Danks request
He gave that material to dank with a recommended dosage schedule
Dank gave then gave it to alavi to compound for use
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Signed consent forms by the players include thymosin
They were injected by Danks own admission in an interview with TB4
Now it isn't certain that the players were injected with TB4 but it's certainly plausible, and comfortably more plausible than a company switching products like fabulous suggested.
Getting rid of weeds around the boat, getting ready for a hot summer of dragging the kids around on wake boards for shark bait
I did not mind Hird and Essendon much at all until all this started to happen. You talk of "impartiality", yet you're not being too impartial here. I'm on the side of the overwhelming evidence that suggests Essendon took banned substances and tried to cover it up. It wasn't just that they cheated, but used their own players as lab rats, perhaps without their knowledge. I find that more offensive than anything else.
If this isn't the blackest day in Australian sport, then what is?
Your post above suggests I should have added the sarcasm face or that you have mistaken me for the original poster.
NB- I am having a Corona as we speak - love the avatar - not sure if it is the legs or the beer.
corona and beer in the same sentence. well I never........
Clearly the underarm problem aussies have (trevor Chappell), Larwood and the bodyline series, Carlton using handball in 1970 tops it all actually.
Hold your pitchfork mentality for when it's needed.
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Some people have entrenched themselves in the ASADA don't have enough evidence camp so much, that if photos of the injections surfaced with the needles in the belly skin of players and TB4 ampules lying around they would cry out.
"But that doesn't prove the TB4 is in the syringe or that the plunger was depressed to deliver the dose"
"But that doesn't prove the TB4 is in the syringe or that the plunger was depressed to deliver the dose"
He He. As I get older Corona bloats me less - not that i am over the hill but a younger version of me would be laughing at what i just wrote.
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From my understanding the deal is related to the club program and I was told that it was only 1 player who kept seeing Dank once the program stopped.
It just wouldn't make sense from my perspective from the facts available. If Charter/Dank were trying to import the stuff to use for their own private business connections it would sure seem strange to be texting the coach of the team stating you are going to start the Thymosin injections next week and then placing it on the consent forms.You would never be mentioning it so no-one would even know it was gone.
I believe it is legal to import and I also believe ASADA checked with Customs to verify Charters claims.
http://executivesnews.com/dons-face-china-crisis-in-doping-saga
The agency’s pivotal declare is Shane Charter, who has run anti-ageing clinics.
He alleges that sports scientist Stephen Dank asked him to source Thymosin beta-4 in quantities sufficient to provide a football squad.
At no time did Dank ask him to source any other form of Thymosin, he claims. Charter alleges a Thymosin beta-4 was delivered to pharmacist Nima Alavi, of Como Compounding, for collection by Dank.
Investigators have checked his claims with Customs.
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Completely innocent of what?
That makes no sense. No sense whatsoever.
At the very least, at the absolute very least, they must have some query in their heads that they may have been given 'the bad thymosin'. They just must.
It's illogical, to have a 2 year investigation carried and find that you did. But you believe you're completely innocent just because the very people that gave it to you - are saying you didn't. They don't have anything to prove it to you - they're just saying it.
Any right minded person, would have some (frankly, most would have a lot!) doubt that they are innocent of a breach of the WADA Code. And once you'd read the evidence against you, any person of sane mind would have a large degree of doubt!
Not necessarily convinced - but clearly there'd be some doubt.
To say they believe they believe they are 100% completely innocent is just lies from the players and the club. Absolute lies. It's unfathomable that they could be 100% certain.
And if they're not 100% certain, they should be doing the right thing and following the processes of the code that they and every other athlete in the country has agreed to.
Which they're not. And which is why I struggle to sympathise and can't help but feel they're covering their arses.
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Getting rid of weeds around the boat, getting ready for a hot summer of dragging the kids around on wake boards for shark bait
Dont foget to take a rod, can never have too much fishing.
I don't get the fascination with Corona. Might as well be drinking water.
What it 'proves', is that unless Dank got the 'good thymosin' from somewhere else and can prove it, it's going to be very hard to explain how he gave a playing list a shitload of 'good thymosin' if there's no record of him even having any.
One 'defence', was that Charter might have actually given him 'good thymosin', not TB-4. That defence is now void (if this article is accurate of course).
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