Collingwood’s Josh Thomas, Lachie Keeffe accept two-year bans for taking banned drug clenbuterol

[Reality rules]

It's been a long time cumming.

You do know they have smoko at 2-2.30 tomorrow!

 

[efcboy]

While I recognise these two events are different, I cannot believe that this is continually being trotted out either when WADA does not have an accredited test for thymosin beta 4. So how the **** were they ever going to test positive?

It can be detected using chromatography-mass spectrometry.

 

[Rack Watts]

They tried at the start with Essendon, then the campaign of BS started. After two years of people making any crap up to confuse the subject, people get less sympathetic.

A complex case requires a complex explanation. If Essendon are found guilty tomorrow, I'll admit it, if not I'll be enjoying watching the Dons absolutely spank the competition. Because the 2 years that the club has endured is much harder than winning a premiership.

 

[Rack Watts]

You do know they have smoko at 2-2.30 tomorrow!

If they don't smoke after, they're doing it wrong.

 

[jatz14]

What's the deal with the B-sample? Do ASADA test only a small amount of urine the first time and keep the rest in the case of a B-sample (or better testing techniques further down the line)?

Standard procedure for all employment drug testing.

Collect 2 sealed samples.

Test 1 store 1.

If the first is positive, test the second by a different method.

If the 2 disagree, its negative.
Stops people arguing, the sample was contaminated, the testing was flawed, they got the results wrong.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Clubs with systemic doping programs

Essendon

Teams with players doing stupid s**t
St Kilda
Collingwood
Freo

Essendon have not been proven to have doped as of yet.

the rest actually do have positive tests.

It was a nice attempt, but a stupid one.

 

[Reality rules]

If they don't smoke after, they're doing it wrong.

Maybe they should have a smoke before it too!

 

[Nikita Blue]

I agree - crappy suntan and no permanent 'woody' !!

Not another Buckley v Hird thread.

 

[carlton2dabone]

How they ate that meat? How would you eat that meat?

Bad choice of words, my bad

 

[fabulousphil]

It can be? Not likely, but pretty sure like most (any?) drugs, Clen can be passed on through the food chain.



It seems awfully coincidental if a farmer along with their vet has given their cattle Clen, ignored the withholding period (6 days under the Australian Pesticides and Veterinary Medicine Authority), no residues have been found in the random testing/sampling (that is reasonable to expect though - although NZ has much more stringent testing than China/Mexico ala Michael Rogers), and that it has then gone to the plate of 2 guys who aren't allowed to have Clen in their systems, who happen to live together? And then they have returned home and tested positive...

Yep, they would want to have pretty good reasons you would think

 

[pablo668]

Standard procedure for all employment drug testing.

Collect 2 sealed samples.

Test 1 store 1.

If the first is positive, test the second by a different method.

If the 2 disagree, its negative.
Stops people arguing, the sample was contaminated, the testing was flawed, they got the results wrong.

Is that just with sports? I worked on the mines for a short spell, I only remember peeing in one receptacle.
They often used to do more tests on mine because I always came up positive for opiates (Migraines).

 

[Chism]

Wikipedia seem to be quick to update!

Anyway not a real good outcome for these blokes IF the B Sample comes back positive. Everyone around the world who has been done with this drug seem to have gotten lengthy suspensions.....

As a β2 sympathomimetic, clenbuterol has also been used as a performance-enhancing drug.

A three-year suspension for taking clenbuterol kept sprinter Katrin Krabbe from competing in the 1992 Summer Olympics, and effectively ended her athletic career.[5][6][7]

In 2006, San Francisco Giants pitcher Guillermo Mota, while a member of the New York Mets, received a 50-game suspension after testing positive for clenbuterol.[8] In 2012, MLB officials announced they were again suspending Mota for 100 games due a positive test for clenbuterol.[9]

American swimmer Jessica Hardy tested positive at the US trials in 2008. She was subject to a one-year suspension, having claimed she unknowingly took the drug in a contaminated food supplement. Former New York Mets clubhouse employee Kirk Radomski admitted in his plea deal to distributing clenbuterol to dozens of current and former Major League Baseball players and associates.[10] After finishing fourth in the K-2 1000-m event at the 2008 Summer Olympics in Beijing, Polish sprint canoer Adam Seroczyński was disqualified for taking this drug, and Chinese cyclist Li Fuyu tested positive for it at the Dwars door Vlaanderen race in Belgium on March 24, 2010.[11]

In 2010, St. Louis Cardinals minor-league shortstop Lainer Bueno received a 50-game suspension for the 2011 season as a result of testing positive for clenbuterol.[12] Cyclist Alberto Contador of Spain was banned for two years from professional cycling after testing positive for the drug at the 2010 Tour de France.[13] He was later stripped of the 2010 title of the Tour de France and the 2011 title of the Giro d'Italia.[14] CAS found that Contador probably tested positive due to a contaminated food supplement.[15] In 2013, Contador's team-mate on the Team Saxo Bank squad, Mick Rogers, tested positive for clenbuterol at the Japan Cup bike race. In April 2014 the Union Cycliste Internationale announced that it accepted Rogers' explanation that the substance had been ingested by him after consuming contaminated meat whilst competing at the 2013 Tour of Beijing, upholding Rogers' disqualification from the Japan Cup but declining to impose any further sanctions on him.[16]

In 2011, players of the Mexico national football team were found with clenbuterol in their bloodstreams, but were acquitted by WADA after they claimed the clenbuterol came from contaminated food. FIFA has also claimed 109 players from the Under-17 World Cup in Mexico tested positive for this drug, because Mexican meat is contaminated.[17]

In 2013, Mexican boxer Erik Morales was suspended for two years after testing positive for clenbuterol.[18]

In 2014, Toronto Maple Leafs Forward Carter Ashton was suspended from the NHL for 20 games without pay for violating the NHL/NHL Players' Association Performance Enhancing Substances Program after it was determined that he had ingested Clenbuterol. Carter claimed he used an unprescribed asthma inhaler.[19]

In 2014, South Korean swimmer Kim Ji-heun has tested positive for the banned substance Clenbuterol at an out-of-competition test on May 13, 2014. After completion of proceedings by the Korea Anti-Doping Disciplinary Panel, Kim received a two-year suspension, back-dated to the day of his positive test.[20]

In 2015, Yankees minor league pitching prospect Moises Cedeno tested positive for the banned substance Clenbuterol and was suspended for 72 games.[21]

In 2015, two Collingwood Australian Football League players tested positive to the drug. They are still awaiting the results from the B sample.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clenbuterol

 

[HTPunter]

And here's why it didn't work:

"Clenbuterol has been outlawed since 1996 and it showed up only once in 83,203 animal samples tested by EU countries in 2008 and 2009, with zero positive cases in Spain from 19,431 samples analysed."

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2011/feb/08/alberto-contador-defence-doping-ban

https://asada.govspace.gov.au/2012/03/01/contaminated-meat/

Clenbuterol in Australia
ASADA has received advice from Australian authorities that clenbuterol is banned for use in animals that are slaughtered for food in Australia. So for the majority of Australian athletes falling under the National Anti-Doping Scheme, the risk associated with this type of contamination is low

Basically, ASADAs stance is there is little likelihood an athlete could receive clenbuterol from food (assuming veterinarians, farmers and auditors are doing their jobs).

So, either 1) Going, going, gone..2 years minimum or 2) B-sample is negative or 3) Collingwood has some amazing evidence that can trace the meat back and prove ASADA wrong...

 

[LeverPuller]

HTB now to be known as the grand Essendon-Collingwood shitfight board

 

[NikkiNoo]

What's the deal with the B-sample? Do ASADA test only a small amount of urine the first time and keep the rest in the case of a B-sample (or better testing techniques further down the line)?

You give two samples at the time. One is marked as the A sample and the other as the B sample.

 

[markm106]

Anyway nice work by ASADA and the AFL, perfectly timed to take the focus off 34 "not guilty" verdicts about the drop

Haha I know your taking the piss. But would take a couple more high profile players to do that!

 

[blackcat]

*shakes head*

The players are gone, and fair enough too.
If this was club supplied/sanctioned, support staff have to be axed as well.


Absolutely fuming right now.

dont worry, Buttifant followed Mick over to Optus Oval.

but Tony Doherty is available for a replacement of your training services serviceman

 

[HTPunter]

HTB now to be known as the grand Essendon-Collingwood shitfight board

And tomorrow, include the rest of us!

 

[Boxhead_31]

4 years is the current penalty if no reasonable explanation offered etc

When was the Pies camp in NZ?
Before or after Jan 1?

 

[tora tora tora]

ahhh guys, 2 players in the same team. Isnt that an instant ban for the entire club??

what will the ban be?

 

[KennyHunter9]

Difference between Collingwood and Essendon:

One club ran a systematic and experimental program on 34 players, that:
- included thousands of injections given to players in non-medical facilities,
- included banned substances and non-prescribed medicines such as muscular dystrophy drugs,
- subsequently lost or destroyed all evidence of the drug injection program,
- was known to key staff including the head coach; and
- was shrouded in black ops secrecy for the purpose of gaining a competitive advantage over its opposition.

The other club is Collingwood.

 

[DangerSloane]

Still stupid to give a mate access to his betting account when he has restrictions to what can he can bet on.

Agreed stupid. No doubt, but nonetheless he didnt bet on the game

 

[fabulousphil]

https://asada.govspace.gov.au/2012/03/01/contaminated-meat/



Basically, ASADAs stance is there is little likelihood an athlete could receive clenbuterol from food (assuming veterinarians, farmers and auditors are doing their jobs).

So, either 1) Going, going, gone..2 years minimum or 2) B-sample is negative or 3) Collingwood has some amazing evidence that can trace the meat back and prove ASADA wrong...

Agreed

Sounds to me like it happened in NZ, they do use it in NZ, but i think unless they get lucky, they will be gone.

 

[Tiger7374]

Seems appropriate that there are a range of circumstantial triggers in the system. Crowley failed both wee tests for prohibited...the 2Pie have failed the Awee test for banned...provisionally suspended and presumed guilty of a doping violation is fair. So unless the B test clears them, none of us need care if they have a reasonable explanation or not...its in their system...haul them out of competition...let the penalty reflect the intent.

 

[bing181]

Essendon have not been proven to have doped as of yet.

the rest actually do have positive tests ...

... but have not been proven to have doped as of yet.