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A careful study of images taken by the NASA rover Curiosity has revealed intriguing similarities between ancient sedimentary rocks on Mars and structures shaped by microbes on Earth. The findings suggest, but do not prove, that life may have existed earlier on the Red Planet.

The photos were taken as Curiosity drove through the Gillespie Lake outcrop in Yellowknife Bay, a dry lakebed that underwent seasonal flooding billions of years ago. Mars and Earth shared a similar early history. The Red Planet was a much warmer and wetter world back then.

On Earth, carpet-like colonies of microbes trap and rearrange sediments in shallow bodies of water such as lakes and costal areas, forming distinctive features that fossilize over time. These structures, known as microbially-induced sedimentary structures (or MISS), are found in shallow water settings all over the world and in ancient rocks spanning Earth’s history.

Nora Noffke, a geobiologist at Old Dominion University in Virginia, has spent the past 20 years studying these microbial structures. Last year, she reported the discovery of MISS that are 3.48 billion years old in the Western Australia’s Dresser Formation, making them potentially the oldest signs of life on Earth.

In a paper published online last month in the journal Astrobiology (the print version comes out this week), Noffke details the striking morphological similarities between Martian sedimentary structures in the Gillespie Lake outcrop (which is at most 3.7 billion years old) and microbial structures on Earth.

The distinctive shapes include erosional remnants, pockets, domes, roll-ups, pits, chips and cracks, which on Earth can extend from a few centimeters to many kilometers.

Although Noffke makes a tantalizing case for possible signs of ancient life on Mars, her report is not a definitive proof that these structures were shaped by biology. Getting such confirmation would involve returning rock samples to Earth and conducting additional microscopic analyses, a mission that isn’t scheduled anytime in the near future.

“All I can say is, here’s my hypothesis and here’s all the evidence that I have,” Noffke says, “although I do think that this evidence is a lot.”

“The fact that she pointed out these structures is a great contribution to the field,” says Penelope Boston, a geomicrobiologist at the New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology. “Along with the recent reports of methane and organics on Mars, her findings add an intriguing piece to the puzzle of a possible history for life on our neighboring planet.”

“I’ve seen many papers that say ‘Look, here’s a pile of dirt on Mars, and here’s a pile of dirt on Earth,’” says Chris McKay, a planetary scientist at NASA’s Ames Research Center and an associate editor of the journal Astrobiology. “And because they look the same, the same mechanism must have made each pile on the two planets.’”

McKay adds: “That’s an easy argument to make, and it’s typically not very convincing. However, Noffke’s paper is the most carefully done analysis of the sort that I’ve seen, which is why it’s the first of its kind published in Astrobiology.”

The images on which Noffke drew are publicly available on the Mars Science Laboratory page on NASA’s website.

“In one image, I saw something that looked very familiar,” Noffke recalls. “So I took a closer look, meaning I spent several weeks investigating certain images centimeter by centimeter, drawing sketches, and comparing them to data from terrestrial structures. And I’ve worked on these for 20 years, so I knew what to look for.”

Noffke compared the rover pictures to images taken at several sites on Earth, including modern sediment surfaces in Mellum Island, Germany; Portsmouth Island, USA; and Carbla Point, Western Australia; as well as older fossils of microbial mats in Bahar Alouane, Tunisia; the Pongola Supergroup in Africa; and the Dresser Formation in Western Australia.

The photos showed striking morphological similarities between the terrestrial and Martian sedimentary structures.

The distribution patterns of the microbial structures on Earth vary depending on where they are found. Different types of structures are found together in different types of environments. For instance, microbial mats that grow in rivers will create a different set of associations than those that grow in seasonally flooded environments.

The patterns found in the Gillespie Lake outcrop are consistent with the microbial structures found in similar environments on Earth.

What’s more, the terrestrial structures change in a specific way over time. As the microbial mats form, grow, dry up, crack and re-grow, specific structures become associated with them. Here again, Noffke found that the distribution pattern in Martian rocks correspond with microbial structures on Earth that have changed over time. Taken together, these clues strengthen her argument beyond simply pointing out the similarities in shape.

In her paper, she also describes alternative processes through which these could have formed. For instance, the chips, pits and cracks could be the product of erosion by salt, water, or wind.

“But if the Martian structures aren’t of biological origin,” Noffke says, “then the similarities in morphology, but also in distribution patterns with regards to MISS on Earth would be an extraordinary coincidence.”

“At this point, all I’d like to do is point out these similarities,” she adds. “Further evidence must be provided to verify this hypothesis.”
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http://www.astrobio.net/news-exclusi....ieAURN4v.dpuf
 
Duritz said:
^^^ more and more likely that there was once life on Mars. The closest planet to us. The argument about life being unique to earth grows similarly absurd to the earth being flat argument with every passing year. It's kind of like arguing Richmond will win a flag anytime soon.
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When Footscray last won a flag, there was life on Mercury.
 

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The vast majority of those people either weren't recorded, or you can't access the recordings. I'd personally need to see proof of their utterances before I "believe"...

I hope it's a crock. We're f###ed the minute we make formal contact...!
 
Not sure if it has been posted but the Japanese pilots that saw the mile wide UFO for almost 30 mins and radar got some hits on it too was the most interesting case I've seen.

1) For obvious reasons.
2) Because it was a cargo plane full of wine.

Was it a UFO or did they crack into some really good French stuff?
 
Gibbke said:
The vast majority of those people either weren't recorded, or you can't access the recordings. I'd personally need to see proof of their utterances before I "believe"...

I hope it's a crock. We're f###ed the minute we make formal contact...!
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You think we haven't already?
 
Gibbke said:
The vast majority of those people either weren't recorded, or you can't access the recordings. I'd personally need to see proof of their utterances before I "believe"...

I hope it's a crock. We're f###ed the minute we make formal contact...!
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why?

Hipster Doofus said:
Agree, god knows what we'd try to accomplish, we'd all be terrified out of our minds.
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chances are they are here now ...
 
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Gibbke said:
The vast majority of those people either weren't recorded, or you can't access the recordings. I'd personally need to see proof of their utterances before I "believe"...

I hope it's a crock. We're f###ed the minute we make formal contact...!
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ill just do the first couple:

1. Leroy Gordon "Gordo" Cooper, Jr

Colonel L. Gordon Cooper, Mercury 9, Gemini-5 Astronaut: "I believe that these extraterrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets which obviously are a little more technically advanced than we are here on Earth. I feel that we need to have a top level, coordinated program to scientifically collect and analyze data from all over the earth concerning any type of encounter, and to determine how best to interface with these visitors in a friendly fashion. We may first have to show them that we have learned to resolve our problems by peaceful means, rather than warfare, before we are accepted as fully qualified universal team members. This acceptance would have tremendous possibilities of advancing our world in all areas. Certainly then it would seem that the UN has a vested interest in handling this subject properly and expeditiously. For many years I have lived with a secret, in a secrecy imposed on all specialists and astronauts. I can now reveal that every day, in the USA, our radar instruments capture objects of form and composition unknown to us. And there are thousands of witness reports and a quantity of documents to prove this, but nobody wants to make them public. Why? Because the authorities are afraid that people may think of some kind of horrible invaders. So the password still is: We have to avoid panic by all means."
In another interview he said, "As far as I am concerned, there have been too many unexplained examples of UFO sightings around this Earth for us to rule out the possibilities that some form of life exists out there beyond our own world."


http://www.gravitywarpdrive.com/UFO_Testimonies.htm
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternativ...-for-extraterrestrial-visitation-3080270.html
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=61318

2. Former Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev

Former Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev on 26th April 1990.
“This is the first sighting in Zimbabwe where airborne pilots have tried to intercept a UFO. As far as my Air Staff is concerned, we believe implicitly that the unexplained UFOs are from civilizations beyond our planet.”


http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread448966/pg1
http://www.ufotruthmagazine.co.uk/famous-ufo-quotes/
http://lunaticoutpost.com/archive/index.php?thread-17193.html




it seems like they are recorded. You just got to dig a bit. I doubt you'd find them on healrdsun.com

IMHO - seeing so many first generation cosmonauts / astronauts saying these things seems to be where there is smoke there is fire ...
 
CountryRace said:
why?



chances are they are here now ...
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I'm a pretty firm believer that, if we run into a superior species, it will cause us big problems, for a few reasons...
1) Our own track record. Every time a more advanced human civilisation has come into contact with a lesser one, it has tried to exploit it, take it over, or destroy it. That's what we do...
2) The counter argument is "but what if they're peaceful, they don't have to have our warlike selfish ways". Look at the entire structure of life on Earth then. Every organism is exploited by others, the vast majority as prey, and every single one subject to the influence of micro-organism, attacked when alive by bacteria and viruses, and eaten away through decomposition when dead. We're looking for life as we know it, and this vicious system is what we know!
3) Evolution tells us that the characteristics which enable a species to adapt and conquer its environment best are the ones which supercede others. Wanna hazard a guess as to which category (carnivore or herbivore) the most intelligent animals on this planet belong to? Yup - they all developed their intelligence through strategizing to round up prey! There is no need for a herbivore to develop anything but the most rudimentary intelligence, but if you're a warm-blooded carnivore who needs to eat regularly (this is why crocodiles are dumber than jaguars), then you need to see patterns, read behaviours, direct and even communicate with others of your species, and you need to do it day in day out. It's this evolutionary line which is the one you'd see eventually building space ships - warm blooded promoting constant use of the brain, and plenty of problem solving practice. At the end of the day, humans are not much different in basic behaviour to predators, except we've developed a hugely complex socialisation structure to mask it. We kill and we eat, and we do it at the expense of other creatures ruthlessly, even our own type, even though we also use table manners. Why would this disappear in aliens simply because they fly around in shiny UFO's...?
And 4) Even if they were ET's and not Xtros, V's or Daleks, what would we do? Ronald Reagan famously said that contact with aliens would nullify all of our differences here on Earth - but you can read into that and see he was pretty much talking about a threat, not an opportunity. If our first thought is "threat", then you can guarantee it will be fairly recurrent. If they have met us, then look how we've reacted - the Yanks and Russians are as warlike and exploitative as ever. We would be the species that takes from the benefactors, and uses it to destroy our peers...we either would, or if you're a believer, you can't deny we already have...
 
Echols said:
You think we haven't already?
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Formal contact as in "take me to your leader", with Klaatu keeping the engine running in case the natives got a bit rowdy? Nah...

Anal probing, dismembered cows, compulsion to build mountains out of mashed spuds, and the only plausible explanation for some people's bizarre behaviour (my teacher really is an alien!)...I'd like to believe that...
 
Hodge2KISSFranklin said:
Not sure if it has been posted but the Japanese pilots that saw the mile wide UFO for almost 30 mins and radar got some hits on it too was the most interesting case I've seen.

1) For obvious reasons.
2) Because it was a cargo plane full of wine.

Was it a UFO or did they crack into some really good French stuff?
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Yes that was the case in the 90's, I think, and the craft was reportedly enormous, like a mothership of sorts. If I remember it correctly the pilot thought they were going to be swallowed up by the mothership, so to speak. If they had been, well, there'd be no trace left of them, like mh370.
 
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