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They're loose coins in the glove box for whatever comes up. The most common use is just greasing the wheels of some low value trades. There was a future 4th involved in the Gunston deal this year, for example. If the choice was between not using the picks tonight, and trading them for some glove...

Also you're welcome on the above from 2008, when eyebrows were raised by some people putting Birchall ahead of Ellis

Most of these players have very long since been sent to the glue factory. As a Hawthorn fan, I openly acknowledge that Xavier Ellis (and Daisy) has been a porcine C-grade media gimmick for many years now. And then there's Pendles... winning flags, finishing top 5 in the B&F, and getting a Norm...

How do you know that to be the case?

Now I'm not suggesting that Stephens is a lock to become a long-term player, but it's worth noting that he already had a 2023 contract with Geelong and he wasn't on the scrapheap. What Stephens now has is the opportunity to get some continuity at AFL level, and it's quite possible that this has...

I agree with Strapping Young Lady, Josh Kennedy left Hawthorn seeking more opportunities and history proved that he wasn't just a back-up player only of interest to a weak team.

Exactly, we need to get back to lionising the stupid "old man yells at cloud" antics of Sam and Don. It's ironic that these two coots who are so embittered by the modern world still have a platform thanks to technology.

By overpaying list cloggers and finishing outside of the finals forever, of course.

I agree with SYL, and his hopes that the weight of his "mere" contributions is as heavy as a really heavy thing. If it's been 16 months since Gunston went in for back surgery and he hasn't been properly right since, I think others are absolutely right to be concerned that six weeks out from the...

I didn't want to be stripping young lad of his imperial clothes.

You've ably summarised the coherence of this podcast and its enthusiasts. Age catches up with us all.

I agree with SYL, above. It's not a great sign that it's February tomorrow and nobody at training is allowed to tackle him yet, though. I get the slow-build mantra, but to still be on a modified program in Feb isn't ideal after essentially a whole year on the sidelines.

Let's just aim to get Day into full training for once, before we start pondering him playing the most fitness-demanding position on the ground

He didn't have Jetta's razzle dazzle

Joel Selwood. Only got a look-in based on the family name.

During the telecast of the 2006 draft, as the first round rolled on Leroy could be seen rolling his eyes and scoffing that none of the teams had the sense to select him. They instead opted for plodders who only got noticed because of their family names: Jack Riewoldt and James Frawley. If I...

That's an excellent question. I think I was almost ready for Leroy, but not quite. He had the Hollywood hair and Tim Hardaway killer crossover footwork a year or two before they were accepted in this country. If he was born ten years later, he may have played 100 games.

Much hyped as a top 10 prospect pre-draft, and entering the league with great confidence in himself, Jetta didn't have the career that he thought he was going to have. But since he was drafted, an additional two teams have entered the league (= 75 more opportunities to be on a list), and the...

Is "Old Man Yells At Cloud .mp3" continuing across the summer months?

Not even the best GF performance in the past 12 months. What sort of goldfish memory is the OP running here.

Have you read the title of this thread? It's a gradual, progressive ruination.

Yep. You can build a top 8 list by just going to the draft for 7 years straight, but to build a premiership list requires either very good luck, a bit of daring, or probably both. By definition, daring moves fail a fair bit of the time. And yep, there's little doubt that Hawthorn is now further...

This is a very good visual depiction of the podcast. An artefact from a quarter of a century ago that a bit fun back then, but best left where it was.

Future tense because there's still 6 years of it to play out

Oh that's interesting. Not many premierships are won by clubs that hedge their bets... it requires a certain "all in" mentality, and risk-taking. It can go from looking good to being dire really fast, and Collingwood would probably be the most recent example of this. Lost the 2018 grand final by...

Yes that's a fair summary. It's not really talked about much now, but three of our champions were cut down years before we thought. Birchall was 28 in 2016 and flying, then got three years of injuries. Rioli was 27 and decided he was done. Roughead was 29 and almost died (he came back but...

As this thread demonstrates, plenty of forecasts don't work out. But yeah, 6 of the first 7 players you listed are all playing competent footy in the seniors, so it's certainly not as speculative as any Hawthorn list I'd make. Another couple of good draftees in the next two years, and you've got...

That's a good collection of young talent... I'd say up to ten of them will have decent careers. Good positional spread, also. Essendon sides in recent years have tended to look decent on paper but never exceed middle of the road in practice. Jakey Stringer and co aren't going to break that...

6 of the 11 have had 150 game careers. Savage mostly at St Kilda, but the other five held down important roles during the threepeat that started the year after my quoted post. Wild that I thought that Boumann was an AFL player. His career yielded a grand total of10 possessions.

Your example of something being proven wrong was something that never fully got proven wrong, though.