Bancroft overlooked

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Stiff considering what he has done in Sheild cricket in the last 2 years, but it would appear that Shield is not the real barometer for test spots that it once was.

Also with Smith actually wanting to open, it allows Green to bat at 4, 5 or 6. So it all of a sudden makes it a lot harder to break into the team.
 

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it appears they are hell bent on getting green into the side one way or the other.

it'll be interesting regardless of who's opening the batting, how long this experiment goes on for.
 
cricketnut14 said:
it appears they are hell bent on getting green into the side one way or the other.

it'll be interesting regardless of who's opening the batting, how long this experiment goes on for.
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yeah, but when Smith openly wants to open, it makes getting Green into the team ALOT easier.

if Smith didn't want it, it's a whole different situation.
 
HirdsTheWord said:
Stiff considering what he has done in Sheild cricket in the last 2 years, but it would appear that Shield is not the real barometer for test spots that it once was.

Also with Smith actually wanting to open, it allows Green to bat at 4, 5 or 6. So it all of a sudden makes it a lot harder to break into the team.
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would've thought they were gonna back someone in for west indies and new zealand tests and revisit after that in need.

would've thought they were going with a specialist opener for 2 reasons - we don't have any middle order bats banging down the door and because khawaja is close to the end as well and we are going to need someone at some point.
 
I feel like they could go with Smith to open and Green at 4. If green doesn’t perform, Smith moves back to 4 and a replacement comes in. They really want Green in the team but not at the expense of his bowling being underused. They want him to be the Kallis mould which is a hell of a lot of pressure.
 
cricketnut14 said:
would've thought they were gonna back someone in for west indies and new zealand tests and revisit after that in need.

would've thought they were going with a specialist opener for 2 reasons - we don't have any middle order bats banging down the door and because khawaja is close to the end as well and we are going to need someone at some point.
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That's a raging debate at the moment and it's a problem that's going to come sooner or later for Australia.

When you do blood new players as opposed to keep playing older players.

There are a fair few players reaching the mid to late 30's, not only in the batting but also in the bowling.
 
cricketnut14 said:
yeah i guess - but the khawaja/smith partnership doesn't have a lot of legs in it.
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Green would be under way too much pressure opening IMO.

it's not like he has a stellar batting record - only avgs in the low 30's. He is young and needs more time to develop. he is much better suited at 4,5 or 6 and then as he gets more confident, he can move up the order as Kawaja etc start to retire.
 
It’s a decision between best proven first class opener vs best first class bat

I think overall green is a better bat, the question is can green or smith convert to an openers role

It’s apparent though Bancroft is on the nsw bowling quartet’s shitlist
 
I am very supportive of Smith opening to get Green in to the middle.

Bancroft, yes, a lot of shield runs. But his technical flaws are just too great and are exposed at test level. He isn’t the first either. Hughes, Hookes, Blewett and Bevan to a degree are other examples who were prolific at state level but could not convert in test cricket.
 

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Black Diamond said:
I am very supportive of Smith opening to get Green in to the middle.

Bancroft, yes, a lot of shield runs. But his technical flaws are just too great and are exposed at test level. He isn’t the first either. Hughes, Hookes, Blewett and Bevan to a degree are other examples who were prolific at state level but could not convert in test cricket.
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That doesn’t fly for me .. all batters even. Bradman have technical flaws .
 
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The selectors aren’t thrilled that the other opening candidates haven’t been banging the door down in FC cricket. Smith opening with Khawaja will probably last til the end of next summer in which hopefully the likes of Renshaw/Puc/Hunt are stacking on the runs at the back end of this season and throughout the year. I think Khawaja probably has 12 months in him and Smith could be 24 months to have the home ashes his swansong. Staggers the retirements and readjustments of the side a bit so there’s no too much disruption in the batting stocks. I think it will help Smith give something to focus on and push past that 10k run barrier.
 
Cainozz said:
The selectors aren’t thrilled that the other opening candidates haven’t been banging the door down in FC cricket. Smith opening with Khawaja will probably last til the end of next summer in which hopefully the likes of Renshaw/Puc/Hunt are stacking on the runs at the back end of this season and throughout the year. I think Khawaja probably has 12 months in him and Smith could be 24 months to have the home ashes his swansong. Staggers the retirements and readjustments of the side a bit so there’s no too much disruption in the batting stocks. I think it will help Smith give something to focus on and push past that 10k run barrier.
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Ussie should go for me at the end of the Indian tour next summer
 
The Falcon Strike said:
It’s a decision between best proven first class opener vs best first class bat

I think overall green is a better bat, the question is can green or smith convert to an openers role

It’s apparent though Bancroft is on the nsw bowling quartet’s shitlist
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Bancroft for all the great Shield scores hasn't helped himself at the next level. He was horrific in England leading into the Ashes, poor in the A tour, and out the same way people had queries on against Pakistan before the first test. Nothing has told me he'd be anything more than a 30 to 32 average test bat.
 
Anyone who doesn't think that he has been blacklisted are kidding themselves?

Warner not making runs... "no one is banging the door down" (whilst Bancroft is outperforming everyone at shield level)

Warner retires... Bancroft keeps making runs... lets pick literally anyone else.

Quite petty and pathetic from those in the decision-making process. Have no allegiances to Western Australia or Cameron Bancroft but in a merit-based process he is absolutely the number one candidate. An opener making runs consistently at shield level on pitches which generally aren't always batsman friendly/flat.
 
LukeParkerno1 said:
Bancroft for all the great Shield scores hasn't helped himself at the next level. He was horrific in England leading into the Ashes, poor in the A tour, and out the same way people had queries on against Pakistan before the first test. Nothing has told me he'd be anything more than a 30 to 32 average test bat.
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ridiculous argument. countless examples of players sucking their first stint at test level, going back to make runs at domestic level and being a much better player in their second chance at test level. could reel off heaps of examples. if using your logic some of the modern greats of australian cricket would've remained as domestic players.
 
Black Diamond said:
I am very supportive of Smith opening to get Green in to the middle.

Bancroft, yes, a lot of shield runs. But his technical flaws are just too great and are exposed at test level. He isn’t the first either. Hughes, Hookes, Blewett and Bevan to a degree are other examples who were prolific at state level but could not convert in test cricket.
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100% the tour match against Pakistan leading into the first test sealed his fate. Yes he got 50 but he was lucky to not be out a dozen times all the same way and then he gets out the same way.
 
apollo_creed said:
ridiculous argument. countless examples of players sucking their first stint at test level, going back to make runs at domestic level and being a much better player in their second chance at test level. could reel off heaps of examples. if using your logic some of the modern greats of australian cricket wouldn't remained as domestic players.
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The matches leading into the Ashes were last year, he was poor in them that was after his best ever shield season, still had exactly the same flaws, did the same against Pakistan A before this test. No wonder the selectors are not convinced. He's a gun in the field sure but as a test bat I'm taking Green and it's comfortably.
 
apollo_creed said:
Anyone who doesn't think that he has been blacklisted are kidding themselves?

Warner not making runs... "no one is banging the door down" (whilst Bancroft is outperforming everyone at shield level)

Warner retires... Bancroft keeps making runs... lets pick literally anyone else.

Quite petty and pathetic from those in the decision-making process. Have no allegiances to Western Australia or Cameron Bancroft but in a merit-based process he is absolutely the number one candidate. An opener making runs consistently at shield level on pitches which generally aren't always batsman friendly/flat.
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Dont agree he already had a lot more chances at test level than a lot of much better players got over the years, he has flaws that are more likely to be exposed at test level he has a poor test record and as i was reading other day he is slowest scoring batsman in shield this year, is he bit unlucky? yes i think so is he a 100 percent must pick and thats proof of a conspiracy against him no i dont think so.
 
Westend said:
That doesn’t fly for me .. all batters even. Bradman have technical flaws .
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Not all technical flaws are alike. Some are clearly more inhibitive than others, and some players have the mental application to avoid shots which show the flaws.

Bancroft has played 10 tests for an average of 26 and no centuries.

Why is Bancroft different now to when he debuted?
 
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