Domestic Violence Epidemic

[Kurve]

Thread here on COERCIVE CONTROL

 

[Kurve]

Her son has been charged.

 

[Capital Power]

The Federal Government's disinterest in actually doing anything about this is summed up in the fact they've put Katy Gallagher in charge. Never seen a politician talk so much and say so little.

 

[Pamcake1]

Lifeline records biggest day as national spotlight focuses on domestic and family violence crisis

The national crisis support service group saw a 20 per cent increase in the number of people reaching out for help on Sunday, as the country marched against domestic and family violence.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Festerz]

Siri - show me an example of Australian media hypocrisy on the subject of violence and sexual assault against women.

 

[faible]

Lifeline records biggest day as national spotlight focuses on domestic and family violence crisis

The national crisis support service group saw a 20 per cent increase in the number of people reaching out for help on Sunday, as the country marched against domestic and family violence.

www.abc.net.au

Sad that it's happened but good that people are reaching out for help, services like Lifeline are incredibly important.

 

[rdhopkins2]

Absolutely shocking that it’s prevalent and hope this is cut out quick.
Good that we’re speaking about it though and wanting solutions.

 

[Kurve]

We don't know the circumstances yet of whether the victim knew this man or not.

 

[Jatz]

heck me dead, we can't go a single day at the moment.

 

[MPMonkeys]

New homicide statistics show surge in intimate partner killings – and huge disparity in First Nations victims - Law Society Journal

lsj.com.au

I think there needs to be a bit of reality check here.
Males are 2.5 times more likely to be murdered than females.

In terms of world-wide murder rates per head of population, Australia ranks 168/207. Jamaica being the worst at #1 and Tuvulu the best at #207.

There is also a huge disparity with First Nations people. If we are serious about reducing murder rates (in particular female victims) then the first point of call should be First Nations people because if you can get that number corrected then it reduces the number significantly overall.

Unfortunately there is no political will in this country to do anything about that as you will invariably be called a racist. And so the cycle continues.

In saying that, trying to eliminate murder is a fools dream. Its just not going to happen. No amount of education, rallies and letters to the editor will make a difference. What is effective is reducing peoples ability to access weapons and also enacting harsh prison terms as a deterrence.

 

[Kurve]

I think there needs to be a bit of reality check here.
Males are 2.5 times more likely to be murdered than females.

Most of us would be aware of that, this is a thread about DV or those murdered by a former or current partner where the overwhelming majority of them are women.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Another largely unspoken aspect of violence toward women is pornography

Not so long ago young boys might see the odd nude magazine

pr0n is now mainstream and instantly available absolutely everywhere in video form

It is the primary form of sex education for boys

The flooding of the pr0n market has of course led to a huge degradation in content toward the “extreme” as producers become increasingly desperate to stand out in any way possible

This has had a knock-on impact on all pr0n, with even “mainstream” pr0n now violent. Choking, slapping, hair pulling, verbal insults and other ways of inflicting physical and verbal violence on the woman is commonplace, with the woman always shown to be enjoying it or “loving the pain”

There was a time when pr0n was “relatively” harmless for consumers, but it is genuinely ****ed up now.

No idea how it’s tackled.

There have been times in the past that new ratings systems have been proposed: Non-violent adult material and Violent adult material - so viewers are at least reminded that they are not just watching sex, they’re watching violence.

But I don’t think ratings even work now because the issues of the internet and jurisdiction have never been solved.

 

[MPMonkeys]

Most of us would be aware of tgat, this is a thread about DV or those murdered by a former or current partner where the overwhelming majority of them are women.

Well of course the victims would overwhelmingly be women.

The numbers don't really indicate that we are in an 'epidemic' situation in this country though.
Is it better or worse than previous years?
If yes, what were we doing 'right' before?

How do our numbers compare to other similar countries?
If its worse, than what are these countries doing 'better' than us?

How are victims being killed - if its machete's or long handled knives then heavily restrict the sale of them.

 

[MPMonkeys]

Another largely unspoken aspect of violence toward women is pornography

Not so long ago young boys might see the odd nude magazine

pr0n is now mainstream and instantly available absolutely everywhere in video form

It is the primary form of sex education for boys

The flooding of the pr0n market has of course led to a huge degradation in content toward the “extreme” as producers become increasingly desperate to stand out in any way possible

This has had a knock-on impact on all pr0n, with even “mainstream” pr0n now violent. Choking, slapping, hair pulling, verbal insults and other ways of inflicting physical and verbal violence on the woman is commonplace, with the woman always shown to be enjoying it or “loving the pain”

There was a time when pr0n was “relatively” harmless for consumers, but it is genuinely ****ed up now.

No idea how it’s tackled.

There have been times in the past that new ratings systems have been proposed: Non-violent adult material and Violent adult material - so viewers are at least reminded that they are not just watching sex, they’re watching violence.

But I don’t think ratings even work now because the issues of the internet and jurisdiction have never been solved.

There is an element of truth to this.

 

[faible]

We don't know the circumstances yet of whether the victim knew this man or not.

Had an outstanding arrest warrant. Another justice system success.

 

[faible]

Well of course the victims would overwhelmingly be women.

The numbers don't really indicate that we are in an 'epidemic' situation in this country though.
Is it better or worse than previous years?
If yes, what were we doing 'right' before?

How do our numbers compare to other similar countries?
If its worse, than what are these countries doing 'better' than us?

How are victims being killed - if its machete's or long handled knives then heavily restrict the sale of them.

I’m sure I posted this article earlier?

Homicide in Australia report shows almost half the women murdered last financial year were killed by a current or former intimate partner - ABC News

amp.abc.net.au

Edit: I did, over here

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/anthony-albanese-how-long-2.1374878/post-83358421

 

[Festerz]

What is effective is reducing peoples ability to access weapons and also enacting harsh prison terms as a deterrence.

This is the tabloid perspective of domestic violence. But can you point me to the credible body of evidence which demonstrates that harsh prison sentences act as a effective deterrent to domestic violence?

Because while that is a popular viewpoint I've read many articles quoting experts stating that is not the case. Getting tough on offenders and imposing harsh sentences for offenders who are caught has an appeal to the public's sense of justice but actually does f-all as a deterrent.

For example, in an article in 2020 UNSW Law Emeritus Professor David Brown made the point that it’s easy to think that the threat of punishment will simply dissuade someone from doing the wrong thing. But it turns out that deterring would-be criminals by instilling doubt or fear of the consequences is more tale than truth.

“Deterrence is very largely an article of faith. I call it sentencing’s dirty secret because it’s just assumed that there is deterrence … but what the research shows is that the system has little to no deterrent effect.”

The criminal justice researcher says harsher punishments, such as longer prison sentences, not only do not prevent crime but may actually have the opposite effect.

“What research is increasingly showing is that imprisonment itself and punishment more generally is actually criminogenic – it makes it more likely that people are going to re-offend,” he says.

There is a need for evidence based policy making here with a focus on a sustainable step change in attitudes and behaviours.

Especially when the statistics show us that the vast majority of assaults on women are by men they know and that the reporting rate for those crimes is very low.

Furthermore, of the very low % of domestic violence incidents reported to police that actually make it to a court room, the conviction rate is amongst the lowest of any criminal offence in Australia. So handing out longer sentences is NOT the answer.

 

[faible]

This is the tabloid perspective of domestic violence. But can you point me to the credible body of evidence which demonstrates that harsh prison sentences act as a effective deterrent to domestic violence?

Because while that is a popular viewpoint I've read many articles quoting experts stating that is not the case. Getting tough on offenders and imposing harsh sentences for offenders who are caught has an appeal to the public's sense of justice but actually does f-all as a deterrent.

For example, in an article in 2020 UNSW Law Emeritus Professor David Brown made the point that it’s easy to think that the threat of punishment will simply dissuade someone from doing the wrong thing. But it turns out that deterring would-be criminals by instilling doubt or fear of the consequences is more tale than truth.

“Deterrence is very largely an article of faith. I call it sentencing’s dirty secret because it’s just assumed that there is deterrence … but what the research shows is that the system has little to no deterrent effect.”

The criminal justice researcher says harsher punishments, such as longer prison sentences, not only do not prevent crime but may actually have the opposite effect.

“What research is increasingly showing is that imprisonment itself and punishment more generally is actually criminogenic – it makes it more likely that people are going to re-offend,” he says.

There is a need for evidence based policy making here with a focus on a sustainable step change in attitudes and behaviours.

Especially when the statistics show us that the vast majority of assaults on women are by men they know and that the reporting rate for those crimes is very low.

Furthermore, of the very low % of domestic violence incidents reported to police that actually make it to a court room, the conviction rate is amongst the lowest of any criminal offence in Australia. So handing out longer sentences is NOT the answer.

From memory didn’t California have something like a three strikes rule where a third offense meant a drastically increased sentence length. And the result wasn’t less crime, it was people basically going ‘heck it I’m going down for 20 years anyway, might as well kill someone’.

 

[MPMonkeys]

I’m sure I posted this article earlier?

Homicide in Australia report shows almost half the women murdered last financial year were killed by a current or former intimate partner - ABC News

amp.abc.net.au

Edit: I did, over here

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/anthony-albanese-how-long-2.1374878/post-83358421

That report also states that the numbers have been at an historic low and whilst there has been an uptick this year, the numbers compared to previous years are still at the low end of the scale.

I'm not excusing it by any means however there needs to be some perspective. Murders will always happen. They have happened since the beginning of time and there is no magic potion for it.

 

[Kurve]

That report also states that the numbers have been at an historic low and whilst there has been an uptick this year, the numbers compared to previous years are still at the low end of the scale.

Overall homicide statistics have been at an historic low.

'However, the uptick in the homicide rate last year – coupled with the sharp rise in women killed in the first four months of 2024 – are cause for mounting concern for all Australians.'

and

The rate of women killed by their partners in Australia grew by 28 per cent from 2021–22 to 2022–23, according to new statistics released today by the Australian Institute of Criminology (AIC).

 

[Kurve]

The 32yo man at the North Bondi apartment where the deceased 19yo was found, was arrested on outstanding warrants. Police are waiting for autopsy results to determine how she died.

Thirteen years age difference.

NSW Police confirm body of young woman found in North Bondi apartment

The body of a 19-year-old woman has been found in an apartment in Sydney's eastern suburbs.

www.abc.net.au

 

[jason_recliner]

New homicide statistics show surge in intimate partner killings – and huge disparity in First Nations victims - Law Society Journal

lsj.com.au

I think there needs to be a bit of reality check here.
Males are 2.5 times more likely to be murdered than females.

In terms of world-wide murder rates per head of population, Australia ranks 168/207. Jamaica being the worst at #1 and Tuvulu the best at #207.

There is also a huge disparity with First Nations people. If we are serious about reducing murder rates (in particular female victims) then the first point of call should be First Nations people because if you can get that number corrected then it reduces the number significantly overall.

Unfortunately there is no political will in this country to do anything about that as you will invariably be called a racist. And so the cycle continues.

In saying that, trying to eliminate murder is a fools dream. Its just not going to happen. No amount of education, rallies and letters to the editor will make a difference. What is effective is reducing peoples ability to access weapons and also enacting harsh prison terms as a deterrence.

By 24/4/23, 14 women had died from DV. By April 23 2024, 25 women had died of gender-based violence, 11 more than last year. And I think in the last week another 1 or 2 have been murdered in DV, at least. In 2022, 17 had women died by the same time in April, 14 in 2021 and 2020.

But DV isn't just murder, the vast majority is assault, abuse, harassment, and coercive control. Research the numbers - at what point do you think we should be calling this a DV epidemic? How many women need to be victims of DV before you would call it an epidemic? That point has WELL and truly passed, IMO.

 

[faible]

Overall homicide statistics have been at an historic low.

'However, the uptick in the homicide rate last year – coupled with the sharp rise in women killed in the first four months of 2024 – are cause for mounting concern for all Australians.'

and

The rate of women killed by their partners in Australia grew by 28 per cent from 2021–22 to 2022–23, according to new statistics released today by the Australian Institute of Criminology (AIC).

And 21-22 was the historic lowest year on record according to the article.

Any deaths are tragic and the target should always be zero, but with a growing population the raw numbers might not decrease even if the rate does.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

New homicide statistics show surge in intimate partner killings – and huge disparity in First Nations victims - Law Society Journal

lsj.com.au

I think there needs to be a bit of reality check here.
Males are 2.5 times more likely to be murdered than females.

In terms of world-wide murder rates per head of population, Australia ranks 168/207. Jamaica being the worst at #1 and Tuvulu the best at #207.

There is also a huge disparity with First Nations people. If we are serious about reducing murder rates (in particular female victims) then the first point of call should be First Nations people because if you can get that number corrected then it reduces the number significantly overall.

Unfortunately there is no political will in this country to do anything about that as you will invariably be called a racist. And so the cycle continues.

In saying that, trying to eliminate murder is a fools dream. Its just not going to happen. No amount of education, rallies and letters to the editor will make a difference. What is effective is reducing peoples ability to access weapons and also enacting harsh prison terms as a deterrence.

Forget sentencing as detterence. It doesn’t work in “hot blooded” crimes such as domestic violence. People don’t weigh consequences.

You are correct regarding weapons and we have done a largely good job with that in Australia regarding firearms.

The data relating to domestic violence tells us two things:

- it is committed by men who are close to the victim

- it is almost always a result of escalation. These murderers, to a man, have a history of violent crimes

We know what we have to do to have an impact:

- Our judicial system needs to treat all violence far more seriously. Murder is an escalation of violence. The focus needs to be on protecting the community above all else

- DV offenders need to be tracked so that potential victims can be warned and seek safety

- we need to make enormous investments in mental health care to reduce MH issues manifesting in violence

These are all difficult, costly and long journeys to embark on. In modern politics there is little appetite for that - it’s all about getting the next sound bite on the news.

 

[Pamcake1]

Forget sentencing as detterence. It doesn’t work in “hot blooded” crimes such as domestic violence. People don’t weigh consequences.

You are correct regarding weapons and we have done a largely good job with that in Australia regarding firearms.

The data relating to domestic violence tells us two things:

- it is committed by men who are close to the victim

- it is almost always a result of escalation. These murderers, to a man, have a history of violent crimes

We know what we have to do to have an impact:

- Our judicial system needs to treat all violence far more seriously. Murder is an escalation of violence. The focus needs to be on protecting the community above all else

- DV offenders need to be tracked so that potential victims can be warned and seek safety

- we need to make enormous investments in mental health care to reduce MH issues manifesting in violence

These are all difficult, costly and long journeys to embark on. In modern politics there is little appetite for that - it’s all about getting the next sound bite on the news.

Agreed.
Additionally:

A fourth category is education:
General, community education on the deleterious effects of Pornography and respect for women.
General, direction to resources for all parties.

Within the judicial system:
Co-ordination of laws across all states. ie. laws recognising Coersive Control enacted in QLD & Tas.
Co-ordination of AVO's across all states.
Education on Family Law (Federal Law changes on 6/5/24 will go someway towards this).

Public Funding:
Resources for intervention and education pertaining to male violence. Both pre-offending and post as well as in general.
Resources for school funding both education and psychological support services. (Prevention & Fallout from DV).

 

[Pamcake1]

Family and friends of Molly Ticehurst call for 'Molly's Law' to better protect people from domestic violence

About a week after 28-year-old Molly Ticehurst was allegedly killed by her former partner, her family want urgent law reforms that would include monitoring devices for alleged domestic violence offenders.

www.abc.net.au