MCG: Collingwood may lose Ponsford stand reserved seats for away games

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‘No longer acceptable’: Rival clubs fume at Collingwood’s hold on MCG seats​

The Melbourne Cricket Club is locked in sensitive negotiations with Collingwood to update a long-standing deal that has given the Magpies exclusive rights over reserved seating for members in the Ponsford Stand for both home and away games.

The agreement has upset other tenant clubs Richmond, Hawthorn and Melbourne with the Tigers and the Hawks forced to relocate their reserved seat members when playing home games against Collingwood at the MCG.

Those clubs argue that their capacity to service their members is compromised and that the agreement potentially stops the MCG being a full house when they play a home game against Collingwood if seats they might be able to fill are left vacant by Magpie members.

They want the agreement amended in a way that would allow their reserved seat holders to sit in the Ponsford Stand in home games they play against Collingwood at the MCG.

Frustration has been growing among those clubs about the pace of negotiations as they want a deal locked in by mid-year so they can plan for 2024 with Tigers’ CEO Brendon Gale saying the away game entitlements in the deal was “no longer acceptable”.

The other tenants have been lobbying for a change for the past decade with industry sources saying the MCC notified the Magpies five years ago that the agreement needed to be modernised during 2023, so it could take effect next year.

Collingwood and the Tigers have been arch rivals on the field during that period with both teams competing for top four spots and attracting big crowds.

Carlton, which are likely to play home game blockbusters against Collingwood in front of big crowds, during this decade, are also keen for an update in the agreement, although they were not an original tenant at the MCG.

Melbourne, with former Collingwood CEO Gary Pert now at the Demons, did not want to comment.

New Collingwood CEO Craig Kelly and president Jeff Browne have been getting up to speed with where the agreement sits, determined to ensure a modernised agreement works for the club and have moved to inform Legends and Club 5 members that the deal expires at the end of this year.

Kelly told The Age the Magpies were prepared to engage in productive talks over the issue to obtain an agreement that works for their members but say the contribution they made to the economic viability of the stadium as a result of them committing to the MCG when leaving Victoria Park should not be forgotten by clubs critical of the agreement.

“Collingwood moved from Victoria Park to the MCG and the deal Eddie McGuire and the board devised was one to support the redevelopment and the long-standing growth of the MCG. We were the founding tenant club and we brought all our members across,” Kelly said.

“We wanted our people to have their home and their seats, and it was consistent for them and they felt like they were still at Vic Park all those years, because we helped drive the economics of that stadium whereas clubs such as Carlton and Essendon went to what is now Marvel Stadium.

“We are now in negotiations and working through with the MCC and, ultimately, we will work with the other clubs and the AFL to get an outcome that works importantly for our members but especially with Richmond and the issues they have got with our arrangement.”

When contacted by The Age, MCC CEO Stuart Fox confirmed mature discussions were happening between the MCC and relevant clubs, but he could not comment further due to his commercial in confidence obligations.

Other sources said that Richmond, with their huge membership base and growing attendances in the past 10 years, are the most affected by the current deal and have made their views clear to the MCG over a long period of time however the other tenant clubs also support the push to amend the agreement.

Tigers CEO Brendon Gale said he understood why the Magpies did the deal, but he had been open and transparent with Collingwood that he would keep pressure on the MCC to update the agreement to ensure their members were treated fairly.

“We have got thousands of reserved seat members that have to get up and move and vacate their reserved seats when we play a home game against Collingwood,” Gale said.

“There is the inconvenience which impacts their match day experience and the value of that membership but there is also a financial aspect to it as well.

“We are a club that has been at the MCG since 1965 and have been pulling millions of supporters through the gates. We have a huge connection with this ground and in the interests of fairness we would like this addressed as it is no longer acceptable.”

Collingwood’s away game entitlements sees them also retain the same dressing rooms at the MCG regardless of whether they are the home or away team, which is different to what happens when other tenant clubs play each other.

Many of the reserved seat packages Collingwood sells to members in the Ponsford Stand ensure guaranteed seats at the grand final if the Magpies make the decider.

It means that despite some games being sold out there are empty seats available at Collingwood away games in the Ponsford Stand that other tenant clubs believe would be filled if the agreement was amended.

Other sources suggested clubs such as Hawthorn or Melbourne might have benefited at times from Collingwood having the away entitlements when they had a home game against the Magpies at the MCG.

Clubs are increasingly aware of the vital importance of stadium deals to their bottom line with the AFL also keen that club growth is not restricted by agreements that don’t reflect the competition’s changed circumstances.

Collingwood will play a Friday night home game against Richmond at the MCG in round three.
 
“Collingwood moved from Victoria Park to the MCG and the deal Eddie McGuire and the board devised was one to support the redevelopment and the long-standing growth of the MCG. We were the founding tenant club and we brought all our members across,” Kelly said.

As I mentioned on the Richmond board, I would like to know what about the MCG Collingwood were the "founding tenant club" of.
 
I would like to know what about the MCG Collingwood were the "founding tenant club" of.
Collingwood were a key stakeholder in the deal for the redevelopment of the current Northern Stand. As the only club that could guarantee 60,000+ average attendances at the time their involvement in the project was vital and McGuire was able to negotiate a strong deal on behalf of the club's members.
 

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“Collingwood moved from Victoria Park to the MCG and the deal Eddie McGuire and the board devised was one to support the redevelopment and the long-standing growth of the MCG. We were the founding tenant club and we brought all our members across,” Kelly said.

As I mentioned on the Richmond board, I would like to know what about the MCG Collingwood were the "founding tenant club" of.
We kept the fires on while you guys were asleep for 35 years, be grateful
 
Collingwood were a key stakeholder in the deal for the redevelopment of the current Northern Stand. As the only club that could guarantee 60,000+ average attendances at the time their involvement in the project was vital and McGuire was able to negotiate a strong deal on behalf of the club's members.
Oh I fully understand why you got that deal, that’s fine. I’m just not sure how it makes you a founding tenant club. It was just a new stand.
 
Back in the early 2000's no club could have expected Memberships/ reserve memberships would get to the point they are at now. The idea that Richmond, Hawthorn or Dees would sell enough premium reserve seats to fill levels 2 in the GSS and Northern stand.

These days there's just better ways Collingwood can benefit from being the biggest club that doesn't impact the other Tennant clubs.
 

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Collingwood will lose access to some of its bonus member reserve seats for away games as part of new peace plan​

Collingwood will have its number of MCG reserved seats at away games reduced by several thousand as part of a new agreement with the MCC.
Rival clubs are angry the Magpies have been handed 15,000 reserved seats for away games as part of a 30-year-old deal which expires this season.

The extra seats and use of two linked-in corporate rooms have provided a significant financial windfall for the Magpies, but a new agreement to kick in next year will see the number reduced by 3000 to 4000 seats.

Rival club sources said the new peace plan means the Magpies would still retain about 11,000 member reserved seats for away games at the MCG in a significant advantage for the club’s members and its coffers.

It is believed Collingwood has known for four years its total number of seats would be stripped back, although it has tried to retain them in talks with stadium officials in recent months.

The 3000 – 4000 seats which Collingwood will lose access to will be divided among the other clubs in a bid to help balance out access to the seats and spread the profits more equally.

Richmond, in particular, has grown over the past five years off the back of its premiership wins in 2017, 2019-20 under coach Damien Hardwick and highly-respected chief executive Brendon Gale.

Club sources said on Tuesday the situation had become untenable for rival clubs including Richmond, Melbourne, Hawthorn, Carlton and Essendon who lose several thousand of their reserved ticket members’ seats in the Ponsford Stand for home games against Collingwood.

Richmond last year had the second-most members (100, 792) behind top-placed West Coast (102, 897) and in front of third-placed Collingwood (100, 384) and fourth-placed Carlton (88, 776).

Carlton is also on the up as it strives to capitalise on its premiership window after nine years out of finals and is slated to play five home games at the MCG this year, including a home clash against Collingwood in Round 10.

The Blues are expected to lobby for six MCG games next year as part of its joint arrangement with Marvel Stadium, to fit its swelling supporter base.

The Blues grew by more than 7000 members last year, with that number set to surge again in 2023 following a blockbuster draw.

The club was handed six Thursday and Friday night games as well as the Good Friday clash against North Melbourne.

While there will be some disruption for several thousand Collingwood members for away games, it is expected the league will welcome the new arrangement as a more equitable situation, although some clubs have discussed removing all 15,000 Collingwood seats.

League sources have said the 3000 – 4000 seat reduction should help satisfy all parties.

Former Collingwood president Eddie McGuire has been vocal in his support for Collingwood retaining all of its seats, saying the Magpies’ members have funded the redevelopments at Australia’s most famous sporting ground.

But club source said the MCC has funded the last 100 years of redevelopments at the MCG including the Great Southern Stand in 1992 and the majority of the Northern Stand in 2006.

The MCC has 150,000 members and 220,000 on the waiting list.

“I’m actually insulted to be honest on behalf of Collingwood people that the MCG and the AFL would even contemplate it (abolishing the deal),” McGuire said.

The reduction of 3000 – 4000 will mean Collingwood’s new-look administration including president Jeff Browne and chief executive Craig Kelly do not lose all of the extra seats they were handed as part of the original deal which had become outdated and desperately in need of review, clubs said.

Rival clubs have been eager for a resolution to the seating stand-off in a bid to make membership, seating and corporate ticket plans for the 2024 season.

Hawthorn and North Melbourne could also be on the lookout for more home games in Melbourne once a new Tasmanian team enters the league.

The two clubs currently play four games each in Tasmania, however the league is committed to a new Tasmanian team, if it the Federal Government can partially-fund a new world-class stadium in Hobart.

MCG tenant club Hawthorn wants to play its games at the MCG, while North Melbourne’s home ground is Marvel Stadium.
 
Why is this such a huge issue? How often are Hawthorn, Melbourne or Richmond home games against Collingwood selling out the MCG's 100k capacity?
 
Why is this such a huge issue? How often are Hawthorn, Melbourne or Richmond home games against Collingwood selling out the MCG's 100k capacity?
Probably because if you go to a home game and you pay a membership that gets you home game seats you expect to get them?
 
Why is this such a huge issue? How often are Hawthorn, Melbourne or Richmond home games against Collingwood selling out the MCG's 100k capacity?
I think the issue is that the clubs don't have access to the premium areas of the stadium rather than trying to get a sell out. Being able to charge more to their usual members. As an example, Premiership Circle members at Richmond are cheaper in the Ponsford than the Olympic or Warne Stand as they miss out on a home seat vs Collingwood. Immediately Richmond will pump up the price of those tickets. They also have an extra game to sell corporate packages in the Harrison Room. Other clubs may view their benefits differently but rest assured it is all about club income and not access to seats for Collingwood members.
 

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