Training Preseason Training Thread - 2024

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Okay, so with our first competitive hitout against proper opposition getting underway this Saturday against Fremantle, I thought it would be a good idea to review how each player's preseason has gone thus far.

Having watched a lot of training sessions over summer, this is how I've seen things player by player:

(Disclaimer: this is a VERY long post and one I've been typing up across a few days now. Nobody should read it all (unless you're really interested of course) but feel free to skip to any players you're interested in to see how they've gone.

I've put it in spoiler chunks so it doesn't take up your whole page if you're not interested. Also note that this is just one nuffy's point of view - though I've tried to be fairly objective in my write-ups.

Does any of this mean much when the real stuff starts? Debatable. But I've watched training a lot over summer so figured I may as well collate what I've seen into one post).



1. Liam Ryan - Returned to training in November before senior players were required back and after two hamstring surgeries last year, he began by working away from the main group. Looked in reasonable physical shape, though after such a long time without properly running his fitness base definitely needed work. Nevertheless as December wore on he did more and more with the main group and by the time players returned in January he was nearly back in full training. Didn't last very long though before injuring his other hamstring tendon at training on Jan 15 and undergoing surgery. Was reported that he'd miss 10-12 weeks and it seems he's well on track with that timeline. Started running again in early Feb and is currently still building his running loads - appears on track to return in the first month of the season. Does a lot of his rehab work with our indigenous liason officer Chance Bateman.

2. Jake Waterman - One of the more impressive preseasons among the squad. A lot of uncertainty around the physical condition he'd come back in after being ravaged by ulcerative colitis last year, but he surprised everyone by not only returning (before he was required) in full training but winning the senior players' MAS running test in November. Had a great period pre-Christmas and hasn't had any setbacks throughout the summer. His work rate is a real highlight during match play, though appears to be battling it out with Ryan Maric at the moment for the final tall forward spot in the Round 1 team.

3. Andrew Gaff - An uninterrupted summer for Gaffy and came second to Waterman in the MAS running test - an impressive result which we've come to expect from him. Returned to training in November earlier than required. Football-wise he's been lining up exclusively on the wing and his performances during match play have been mixed - busy some days, quiet on others. Caused a bit of a stir a few weeks ago when left out of the 'A' team during match sim, though since then he's often been included in the probables team. Simmo says the wing spot is up for grabs so it's unclear whether he'll start Round 1 - my guess is that we'll give him first crack at the wing spot, but it depends a bit on the form of Chesser over the next few weeks.

4. Dom Sheed - Was in full training up to Dec 5 when he pulled up with a hotspot in his foot and was placed in a moon boot. To me it seems we're taking a more conservative approach this time around with him, because he didn't do any real training of note until early Feb when he started running and work on the grandstand stairs. At this stage he's still building back his straight-line running and looks a fair way off re-joining the main group.

5. Jayden Hunt - A very good summer from this guy. Eased back into a full training load in November after returning a week earlier than required and hasn't had any injury interruptions so far. During match sim and other drills there seems to be a real emphasis to get the ball into his hands - and his run and carry has been elite so far.

6. Elliot Yeo - Visited Qatar in the off-season to try get on top of his soft tissue issues, and whether it's as a result of his trip or not, he seems to be on a slightly different program to everyone this preseason. Often warms up with a trainer separate from the main group, occasionally sit out drills to do separate running or work on the grandstand stairs. When he is out there he's been playing exclusively midfield and looks very good - powerful, strong, dynamic. Other than a minor ankle tweak in November (which generated a lot of media panic) he hasn't been troubled by injuries so far. Fingers crossed that unlike last year, this continues when the real stuff starts.

7. Reuben Ginbey - An incredible athlete with the work ethic to match. Put on significant size over the break and has maintained - if not improved - his strong aerobic capacity in the meantime. Took out the MAS running test the 1st-4th year players did, and from what I've heard would've beat Waterman and all the senior players if he had taken part in their test. His top speed is also among the best at the club - he covers the ground extremely well. Was flying until mid-December when his training loads got wound right back - I'm assuming this was due to the groin soreness that was later reported on in January. After the Christmas break he began building again, and through Jan and early Feb he began integrating back into full training and match sim. At the moment he seems to be flying again. Football-wise I would probably temper expectations on Ginbey in his second season, still seems to be figuring out how to best use his athletic prowess on the football field. Work rate, tackling and two-way running have been his strengths from my POV. He is regularly one of the last to leave the track when the players finish training.

8. Elijah Hewett - We learned recently of his battles with chronic sesamoiditis in his feet, but for most of the summer we weren't really sure what was going on with him, other than the fact it was foot-related. Did little bits of training here and there pre-Christmas but nothing really substantial, and was rarely sighted on the track in January. Flew over to Melbourne a few weeks ago to visit Dr Sue Mayes at the Australian Ballet to try and fix his feet issues. Since returning he's been gradually increasing his training load, and at the moment continues to build his straight-line running. No clear return date yet but looks to be progressing well.

9. Harley Reid - The media hype around him over summer has been unlike anything we've ever seen with a draftee, but his work on the track has been pretty impressive. Like all draftees he was eased into an AFL program pre-Christmas and since then has mostly been in full training - aside from a light week on the track a couple of weeks ago where the club managed him out of full training and match sim. Splits his time between the backline and the midfield, and aside from his freakish strength and ability, his aggression at the contest and burst speed have been traits which I've been pleasantly surprised with. Already looks comfortable playing alongside seasoned bodies and loves taking the game on - it doesn't work every time but he has great intent.

10. Tyler Brockman - Took some time to adjust to his new club, but after a few weeks he really started bringing his quality to the track and at the moment is looking great - I'm really bullish as to what he can do this season and in the years to come. Occasionally for whatever reason will runs laps instead of doing full training but on the whole an injury-free preseason. His skill level and pace was apparent pretty early on, but something that's really impressed me recently is his agility and evasiveness through traffic. Splitting his time between the forward line and the midfield at the moment and looks a likely Round 1 starter.


11. Tim Kelly - A fairly standard summer for Kelly - he's done what he needs to and is moving well. Returned to training earlier than required, looked in good shape and was in full training until a minor hamstring strain on Jan 17. Over the next 3-4 weeks he gradually began integrating back in with the main group and match sim, and by now he's back in full training again.

12. Oscar Allen - Looking good. Returned to training in November earlier than required and after a couple of weeks wearing a yellow non-contact hat at training, he was back to full fitness (believe he had a couple of off-season surgeries) and hasn't had any injury setbacks so far. Looks to be thriving in his new role of co-captain - is regularly our leading goalscorer at the end of match sim and kicked 6 in a match sim a couple weeks ago.

13. Noah Long - Has overall had a good summer. Injury-free and looks in good physical nick - probably a bit more developed than he was 12 months ago. Has been training predominantly up forward and is often a busy contributor during match sim. Footy smarts and movement through traffic is impressive.

14. Liam Duggan - Not a heap to note from Duggo's preseason. Came back to training early and in very good shape - finished top 5 in the MAS running test. Has been training mostly in the midfield over the preseason, though spent a fair bit of time in defence during the intraclub.

15. Jamie Cripps - Looking fit and in really good touch - has completed a full preseason to date. His work rate in the forward line is noticeable at training and impressive. Kicked 3 goals in the intraclub on Saturday and often finds himself in open space as a result of his hard running.

16. Luke Edwards - Some encouraging signs from Luke. Outside of a minor hip issue which limited him for about a week in late Jan/early Feb, he's gotten through a full preseason. Has been playing a mix between wing and inside mid and showed some good signs a few weeks ago at stoppages with his evasiveness and ball use. Looks a bit broader through the shoulders than he did last year too. Was in the 'A' team in the intraclub on Feb 17 so he might actually be closer to a Round 1 start than many think - worth noting coaches have generally had a lot of patience for him in the last couple of years.

18. Campbell Chesser - Has been eased through a lot of this preseason as he deals with lingering ankle soreness but physically he returned in very good shape - came runner-up to Ginbey in the 1st-4th year players' MAS running test. Will often have lighter training days where he'll work on skills and touch instead of participating with the main group, but generally hasn't missed the higher-intensity match sim sessions or the intraclub - points to load management rather than any setback. Has been playing both wing and inside mid and has built nicely over recent weeks, showing some good glimpses at stoppages during the intraclub. Generally has been starting on the 'B' team during competitive work but continued growth over the coming weeks could see that change.

19. Brady Hough - Looks to have again put on size over the off-season - he's still pretty slightly built but it doesn't stand out as much anymore. Returned to training in November by spending most of his time away from the main group, but quickly built back into things and by January was in full flight again. Has been training mostly with the backs and now at 192cm, has been playing on taller players (Waterman, Maric) at training as well as the smaller guys. Liking his competitiveness, composure and pace over this preseason. Looks a lock for the Round 1 team if fit.

20. Jeremy McGovern - Doing what he needs to do as a senior player. Is the oldest player on our list now and naturally gets managed through some drills and training sessions, though he looks in good shape. Been really keen to move the ball fast during competitive work, was very impressive in the match sim on Feb 8. Got through preseason unscathed until pulling up from the intraclub on Feb 17 with groin soreness - though early indications are that this is very minor and I wouldn't expect it to limit him for very long.


21. Jack Petruccelle - It's been a strong summer for Petch who looks ready to take another step this year. Was managed a bit through December but since returning from the Christmas break he's been in full training. Looks stronger, skilful, is running to the right places and generally looks a smarter footballer than years gone by. Has primarily been training with the forwards but does sometimes move up the ground and through the midfield during competitive work, and has produced some good line-breaking plays on a few occasions. Looks a likely Round 1 starter.

22. Archer Reid - Hardly got going with preseason training before being placed in a leg brace in early December to fix a pre-existing left knee issue. Did very little training for about a month, but by mid-Jan he had ditched his brace and was starting to get moving again. Over the last month he's mostly just been doing straight-line running. Joined in a full training session on Feb 7 but hasn't been in main training since, so looks like the club is taking it slow with his recovery. Looks a decent size already but still lots of room to fill out his frame. No clear return to play timeframe yet but at a guess, first month of the season seems like what he's on track for.

23. Alex Witherden - Not much to note from Witho's preseason. Hasn't had any injury concerns and hasn't stood out much either, just working away. He's definitely worked on his endurance the last couple of years - finished 5th in the senior players' MAS running test. Not sure if he makes the Round 1 team although he has generally been in the preferred 'A' team during match sim. Takes a lot of kick-outs.

24. Harvey Johnston - Has shown some promising glimpses this preseason without standing out a heap - in fact he's one of the hardest players for me to pick out at training. Has gotten through injury-free thus far, though the club has managed him occasionally - was eased into an AFL program draftee in November/December alongside the draftees, and had a light week on the track a couple of weeks ago alongside Harley where he sat out match sim. Mostly he's been involved in everything though and has been lining up mostly on a wing. Has nice skills and a good side step on him. Still has a bit of size to put on and some more development to go until he's AFL-ready I think but it'll be good to follow how he goes this year in the WAFL.

25. Matt Flynn - Liking what I'm seeing so far. Has been rotating with Bailey Williams during match sim, where Flynn will take the opening centre bounce and the next few after while Williams sits up forward, and then they'll swap for a bit as Flynn plays up forward or rests on the bench. He's a big boy and his ruck work has been sound (albeit against significantly weaker opponents), but what has impressed me the most is his work at ground level. On multiple occasions he's been able to somehow dodge his way through traffic and get a clean disposal out despite his lumbering appearance, which honestly took me by surprise. Has also shown an ability to hit the scoreboard in a few of the match sims over summer. Excited to see how his partnership with Bailey develops this year.

26. Zane Trew - Contractually was still officially unsigned when the 1st-4th year players returned to training, and his early absence from the track in November seemed to suggest he'd been cut, though we later found out this was due to illness. Anyway, by December he was in full training but when he returned from the Christmas break, he wasn't training with the main group due to what was reported as a back issue. He was running well early on so it seemed his absence from full training would be short, but it's now been about a month of him doing the same stuff - a lot of straight-line running away from the main group, with occasionally some change of direction work. No real clarity on when he'll be available to play again, though the silver lining here is that because he's been doing so much running, he's been able to maintain a high level of fitness over his time away and probably won't take long to integrate back with the main group once he's over his injury.

27. Jack Darling - A bit of an interrupted preseason for JD but overall looking in good touch. Was one of the last to return to training in November, but when he did he was straight back into it - though pre-Christmas he wore a bright yellow cap during competitive work which indicated no contact for him. Despite not looking hampered at all this continued well into January, but by early Feb he had ditched the cap and was looking great, kicking 3 goals in the first quarter of match sim on Feb 2. Unfortunately in the same training session he sustained a minor hamstring injury, and since then has been gradually building his way back. Targeting a return for the Adelaide practice match which he looks well and truly on track for.

28. Tom Cole - An uninterrupted preseason for Cole, though with his previous ankle issues he sometimes sits out certain drills or has lighter days on the track. Returned to training in impressive condition, coming 3rd in the MAS running test. Was a standout in match sim on Feb 8 where his rebound and will to take the game on was impressive. Building nicely into the season.

29. Clay Hall - Outside of Harley probably the standout draftee on the track. Eased into training after being drafted with a slight back issue, though by January he was in full training again and beginning to show his quality. His physicality and ball use by hand in congestion is good, but he also has really strong pace and attacking flair which I didn't necessarily expect from him. Has started on the 'A' team in match sim a couple of times so he was really gathering momentum for an early debut before a (fairly minor) ankle injury in the Feb 17 intraclub match grounded him. Still a decent chance to be fit for Round 1 but probably less likely to feature now given his setback. Still look forward to seeing the impact he can make as he builds into this season.

30. Harry Barnett - Has had an injury-free preseason so far. Looks quite well-built although still seems a way off being able to impact at senior level. Hasn't been a standout during match sim work but generally splits his time between the ruck and up forward - often shares the ruck duties with Livingstone, Jamieson and Jack Williams for the 'B' team so a bit less pure ruck time than last year. Hoping to see some decent growth from Harry in the WAFL this year.


31. Jamaine Jones - Has looked outstanding at stages this preseason but has also been hampered by a few niggles. Was up the front of the running groups in Nov/Dec alongside the likes of Ginbey which is generally a good indication of a high level of fitness, though in mid-December he and Ginbey's training loads were wound right back. Still not sure what Jones' issue was, though after the Christmas break he was back in full training again. Was a standout in the match sim on Jan 24 with his run and dash out of defence. On Feb 5 the club reported Jones was dealing with groin soreness, though in the same week as that announcement he played a full game of match sim, so it must have been very minor. Sat out the intraclub on Feb 17 with a minor hip issue, though it seems this isn't a major concern. Hopefully we see him in full flight again soon because I think he's got a lot to offer us when fit.

32. Bailey Williams - A new role for Baz this preseason working up forward and pinch hitting in the ruck as he rotates with Matt Flynn. Outside of a minor knee issue in December, he has completed a full preseason. Still seems to be adjusting to his new fwd/ruck role and I wouldn't expect wonders from him to start off with, but I like his potential in that position. Has taken a few nice pack clunks over preseason but I still think he's had his biggest impact when thrown into the ruck where he's really dominated against lesser opponents. As has been discussed on here, I reckon he could become one of the better second rucks around the league in terms of ability to impact in the ruck in bursts.

33. Rhett Bazzo - Has been managed through a lot of preseason but generally has taken part in the match sim work. Hasn't really stood out to me during the competitive stuff, though it looks like he's put on a lot of size over the off-season. Didn't participate in the intraclub due to groin soreness and will be on light duties for the next few weeks as he's deloaded and then rebuilds again. I'm thinking we'll have to show some patience with Bazzo this year but hopefully he surprises me.

34. Jack Williams - An uninterrupted though fairly quiet preseason for Jack. Looks a bit bigger than last year but hasn't really stood out to me much during match sim and competitive work. Generally starting on the 'B' team - seems to be a little way behind Maric and Waterman in the battle for a tall forward spot at AFL level. Playing mainly forward with occasional stints in the ruck.

35. Josh Rotham - Hasn't really got going thus far. Was eased into training pre-Christmas and wore a bright green no-contact cap for a few weeks, but was back in full training by the time the squad broke off for their break. Upon his return in January he didn't last very long before developing groin soreness and having his training shut down completely for a couple of weeks. From early Feb he has been gradually increasing his training loads and looks close to re-joining full training. According to the club he's pushing to be available for the Adelaide practice game.

36. Loch Rawlinson - An injury-free first preseason for Rawlinson and he's showed some encouraging glimpses over summer. Like all draftees was eased into full training pre-Christmas but he eventually began training with the forwards. Is fairly well-built for his age and looks a crafty player - has produced a couple of moments this preseason (goals from the pocket, selling candy) which have shown there might be something there to work with. Not a huge ball-winner during match sim and it appears will start in the WAFL, but again there have been encouraging signs and it'll be interesting to see how he goes in the 2s this year.

37. Tom Barrass - Doing what he has to do, building nicely. Occasionally sits out some drills but for the most part has completed a full preseason. Certainly hasn't shown any indication of his back injury - was one of our best performers during the match sim on Feb 8 where he marked everything that came his way.

38. Jordyn Baker - Another one to return to training in November officially out of contract, though his extension was announced a couple weeks later. Has had a few minor interruptions through Jan and early Feb which kept him on lighter duties and sometimes sitting out of match sim, but at the moment appears to be in full training. Has been training with the backs and looks to have added some size since last year. Has some skillsTM and could push for a selection later in the season, but will probably be in the WAFL to start.

39. Coen Livingstone - Still a pretty raw talent, but I like his aggression and competitiveness. Has been injury-free this preseason although I've noticed he always wears strapping on his left knee. During match sim he seems to start in the ruck but also spends a fair bit of time forward when Barnett/Jamieson/JWilliams go into the ruck. Have noticed he'll often separate from the main group to work on set shots, sometimes alongside Chance Bateman. Doubt we see him at AFL level this year but hoping he adjusts well to senior WAFL level.

40. Callum Jamieson - Had a delayed start to preseason in Nov/Dec and appeared to be on a unique program - we later learned this was due to groin soreness. Was doing some unusual training pre-Christmas, often doing exercises barefoot and just watching on for many training sessions. Fortunately after the Christmas break he looked back on track, and by now is back to full training - though he still occasionally gets managed through some drills. Spent a lot of time recently training up forward and showed some good competitiveness in match sim, though with Harry Edwards and Bazzo going down with injury in the past week, he was trialled as a key back at training on Feb 21. Reckon we might see him deployed there on Saturday against Fremantle with Gov also under an injury cloud.


41. Ryan Maric - Has built really nicely into this preseason and is flying at the moment. Hasn't missed a beat injury-wise and looks a bit bigger than last season. Has still retained his speed and agility (which by the way is pretty impressive for his height) despite his added weight. As the competitive work has ramped up over the last few weeks Maric has really lifted - been regularly kicking multiple goals in match sim and gets himself involved in a lot of other scoring passages where his footy smarts come to the fore. As I've mentioned he seems to be locked in a battle with Waterman for the final tall forward spot in the side, and though both are in good touch, I've probably got Maric just ahead at the moment. A month ago I would've said Waterman though so it can easily change again. It's unclear the way the club sees it - both have spent time on both the 'A' and 'B' teams in match sim. Great to have some proper selection pressure up forward, may it continue.

42. Harry Edwards - I'm bullish on Harry's potential but the poor guy just can't get a clean run at it. Was on a separate program pre-Christmas as he shook off the last of his 2023 groin concerns, but by the new year he was back into full training. Through Jan and early Feb he looked to be building nicely with competitive performances down back - he looked an imposing size and was taking some nice intercept marks and defending well. Just as he was getting into a nice groove though Harry broke his finger during the intraclub which will see him undergo surgery and miss at least the next few weeks.

43. Tyrell Dewar - A really encouraging preseason so far. Coming off a pretty low base he's done a lot to impress with a good run at it with his body. Firstly in his return to training last year he looked to have added some size and was at the front of the running groups alongside Jones and Ginbey, so it seemed physically he'd come back in great shape. Football-wise he's shown real class in his field kicking and also up forward - has hit the scoreboard on a few occasions over summer. Still has to work on consistency but he's shown clear growth in the last 12 months and I look forward to seeing if he can start pressing his case for AFL selection this year.

45. Coby Burgiel - Honestly can't say he's stood out much to me, but he did have a minor hamstring setback in mid-Jan which would've been frustrating for him. He's well and truly back into full training now though. Has trained with the backs over preseason and is a skilful player, looks a good size now too. Doesn't appear to be in the frame for Round 1 selection, but if he can string together strong WAFL form like he threatened to last year, I could easily see him make his debut at some point.

49. Jai Culley - Making great progress in his recovery from his ACL last year. Was already doing agility and change-of-direction work pre-Christmas and has since been steadily increasing his training loads to now, where he's been doing absolutely everything (and then some) except contact/competitive work. At least, that was until this Wednesday when he joined in for a bit of match sim for the first time since his injury last year. He'll now continue to build that and at a guess is probably looking at a return to football within the first month of the season. The way he's been attacking his rehab over summer has been admirable and a testament to his impressive work ethic.




Some others who have made appearances at training this preseason:
  • Trey Ruscoe - A new WAFL Eagles signing, crossing over from Collingwood. Has been participating in 1-2 sessions a week since late November. Has been playing in a key defensive role, though went forward once during match sim and kicked 3 goals in a quarter. Seems to provide great energy to the group and looks like a good WAFL signing.
  • Jason Gillbee - The milk man from GWS has come across and joined the WAFL Eagles for this season. Has been doing the same amount of training as Ruscoe and will usually line up on the wing - is a very good runner. Seems like a pretty unique character and from what I can tell he's gotten pretty close with Harley, Longy, Bazzo and some of the other younger boys off the field which is always good.
  • Bailey Banfield - The son of Drew, Bailey is part of our 2nd Generation Academy and generally attended the lighter mid-week training sessions from mid-December through to the end of Jan. Was eligible for the 2023 draft but missed out. Trained with the mids across his time and looked pretty well-built although fairly short. Didn't look too out of place.
  • Malakai Champion - A highly rated prospect from our NGA who will likely be taken at this year's draft. Is short and slightly built but is very quick and has great skills. Trained at the same time as Banfield did.
  • Tore Nelson - Also part of our NGA. Trained with us a little less than Banfield and Champion but when he was out there was training with the backs. Looks a medium size with pretty good skills, not sure where he sits in terms of the draft though
  • Anthony Hansen - Saw him at one training session in late Jan, also from our NGA. Small and slightly built, didn't pay close attention to him.
  • A number of other WAFL Eagles have made appearances, mainly to make up numbers during match sims - new signings in James Spadanuda (what a name), Luke Yeo (cousin of Elliot), Harley Sparks; and continuing WAFL Eagles including Darby McCarthy, Jack Eastough, Ethan Hansen and Shannon Lucassen.
 
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Contrary to this board and really to my own feelings on the man, but I reckon Sheed will make a big difference when he returns.

Mature body, good ball winner, quick hands inside. The younger bodies can pick up some of his defensive slack and hopefully it will allow Kelly/Reid/Ginbey to play a handball off the play.

He'll still be incredibly frustrating at times but we have missed him.

I think he gets a bad wrap because of “appearance”. He doesn’t play like a bull at at gate a la Yeo, throwing himself at the ball (and opposition). We love to see that, we want to see our players hunt the ball and play with ferocity. That has never been Dom’s go.

He does cover the ground, he can win the ball and can use it well. He hits the scoreboard as we well know :) There is a spot for him, a wing or even on the half forward line. I realise it’s de rigeur to have a couple of the veterans on the bad list, but I think he (Dom) is still capable of some good football.
 
Based on that team, we're competitive until the following are replaced by better players.

Cole
Witho
Gaff
Sheed
Petrol

By the time they are replaced and have some football yeards, it's time to replace / retired:
McLovin
Barrass
Darling
Yeo close to
And Kelly is now the eldest statesman

We need pick assistance and a few years of them badly.
I can’t see how the AFL can avoid giving us the same assistance North got if our performance trajectory is similar. Although I hate the idea or asking I also hate the idea of us not receiving equal assistance to North who were in a similar position. The change in CEO gives us wiggle room to pivot from our long standing “no handouts” policy. Player wise I agree with all the above except I’d like to see Cole’s output with a couple of injury free years and Barrass is likely to still be around. Perhaps with misplaced optimism I’m expecting our 2026 Round 1 team to be very competitive if we trade and use our cap space wisely.
 
Sheed will be a welcome bigger body when fit. Might find it a touch harder to get back into the side this time around, but he can accumulate and push forward to kick a goal. In space he’s a decent deliverer, too.

For some players I think the focus tends to be what he can’t do vs what he can. He’s a better player than being made out. He’s AFL quality. Doesn’t mean he’s an A grader but he’s a solid foot soldier which every club needs to have. He has his flaws defensively but let’s not pretend he is alone in any respect in that area. Our whole midfield group is just as accountable.

Really, in a common theme among our midfielders in this period, he’s not been able to keep himself fit enough for long enough to get a good run at it.
 

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Sheed suffers from being asked to be "The man" that shovels it out, the same way that Kelly does.

Neither of them have that as their one wood. Both were better players when they were playing 4th fiddle to better midfielders and skirting the packs for a cheeky handball recieve and shot at goal.

Sheeds contested ball numbers and clearances read fine, but it's his intent, tackling and defensive pressure which draws the most critcism. After 4 quarters the stats generally suggest he's been serviceable, despite pissing everyone off.
 
Contrary to this board and really to my own feelings on the man, but I reckon Sheed will make a big difference when he returns.

Mature body, good ball winner, quick hands inside. The younger bodies can pick up some of his defensive slack and hopefully it will allow Kelly/Reid/Ginbey to play a handball off the play.

He'll still be incredibly frustrating at times but we have missed him.
Yeah I sorta agree. Sheed is quite decent inside player but not when he is one of the main ones in there (kinda like Kelly a bit). He’s really good at stoppages but is quite terrible at CBD’s no problem him being on the inside as long as it’s at stoppages and we run with more dynamic player at CBD’s.
 
Contrary to this board and really to my own feelings on the man, but I reckon Sheed will make a big difference when he returns.

Mature body, good ball winner, quick hands inside. The younger bodies can pick up some of his defensive slack and hopefully it will allow Kelly/Reid/Ginbey to play a handball off the play.

He'll still be incredibly frustrating at times but we have missed him.
He has that finishing class that no other midfielder has....maybe only kelly
 
Yeah I sorta agree. Sheed is quite decent inside player but not when he is one of the main ones in there (kinda like Kelly a bit). He’s really good at stoppages but is quite terrible at CBD’s no problem him being on the inside as long as it’s at stoppages and we run with more dynamic player at CBD’s.

That sums up Sheed fairly well I reckon. Good at stoppage, poor at CBD. Nic covered a lot of those deficiencies with the likes of Sheed but if he's not getting the ball tapped a metre in front of him to create a break he is exposed at CBDs, particularly if we lose the tap.
 
Sheed suffers from being asked to be "The man" that shovels it out, the same way that Kelly does.

Neither of them have that as their one wood. Both were better players when they were playing 4th fiddle to better midfielders and skirting the packs for a cheeky handball recieve and shot at goal.

Sheeds contested ball numbers and clearances read fine, but it's his intent, tackling and defensive pressure which draws the most critcism. After 4 quarters the stats generally suggest he's been serviceable, despite pissing everyone off.

WOOD, AY?
 
Sheed suffers from being asked to be "The man" that shovels it out, the same way that Kelly does.

Neither of them have that as their one wood. Both were better players when they were playing 4th fiddle to better midfielders and skirting the packs for a cheeky handball recieve and shot at goal.

Sheeds contested ball numbers and clearances read fine, but it's his intent, tackling and defensive pressure which draws the most critcism. After 4 quarters the stats generally suggest he's been serviceable, despite pissing everyone off.
They’re both outside mids
 

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If only this was our list managements thoughts at the end of 2018
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He was an all Australian wingman in 2018 despite missing the last 3 games of the season he was that dominant in the position prior to his brain fade

And he was in the 40 man squad in 2019 and 2020 so it’s not like he wasn’t playing good footy

Would have got pick 19 in the draft as FA compo.

Missed out on -

Jez McLennan
Bobby Hill
James Rowbottom
Tom Sparrow
(Any of whom we could have taken if we didn’t split the Lycett compo pick but that’s another matter)

Took O’Neill here

Will Hamill

Took Foley here

Luke Valente
James Jordon

Took Williams here

Tom Berry
Laitham Vandermeer

Took Cameron here

We were right in our premiership window having just won it so you aren’t offloading one of your best players at that point for a modest draft pick

Gaff finished 5th in the B&F having played 19 of 25 games. He had the highest votes per game average so may have won had he not been suspended

The other thing people forget is under the 2018 contract Gaff had an option to leave after 2 years (at the end of 2020) which he may well have done had it not been for covid

It’s easy to pot the decision in hindsight but at the time it was the right decision
 
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He was an all Australian wingman in 2018 despite missing the last 3 games of the season he was that dominant in the position prior to his brain fade

And he was in the 40 man squad in 2019 and 2020 so it’s not like he wasn’t playing good footy

Would have got pick 19 in the draft as FA compo.

Missed out on -

Jez McLennan
Bobby Hill
James Rowbottom
Tom Sparrow
(Any of whom we could have taken if we didn’t split the Lycett compo pick but that’s another matter)

Took O’Neill here

Will Hamill

Took Foley here

Luke Valente
James Jordon

Took Williams here

Tom Berry
Laitham Vandermeer

Took Cameron here

We were right in our premiership window having just won it so you aren’t offloading one of your best players at that point for a modest draft pick

Gaff finished 5th in the B&F having played 19 of 25 games. He had the highest votes per game average so may have won had he not been suspended

The other thing people forget is under the 2018 contract Gaff had an option to leave after 2 years (at the end of 2020) which he may well have done had it not been for covid

It’s easy to pot the decision in hindsight but at the time it was the right decision

It wasn’t the right decision at the time.

It was an emotional decision that occurred after he got suspended. Had he not got suspended he would have left win or lose.

We overpaid for an accumulating wingman that’s never been a match winner, but a very good player. Was he good the years after, for sure, but he was well and truly overpaid for his style of play and locking that salary away to him held us back.

I hold no grudges to Gaff, always take the money when on offer.
 
It wasn’t the right decision at the time.

It was an emotional decision that occurred after he got suspended. Had he not got suspended he would have left win or lose.

We overpaid for an accumulating wingman that’s never been a match winner, but a very good player. Was he good the years after, for sure, but he was well and truly overpaid for his style of play and locking that salary away to him held us back.

I hold no grudges to Gaff, always take the money when on offer.
If we had let Gaff go we may have landed P. Cripps but who knows🤔
 
It wasn’t the right decision at the time.

It was an emotional decision that occurred after he got suspended. Had he not got suspended he would have left win or lose.

We overpaid for an accumulating wingman that’s never been a match winner, but a very good player. Was he good the years after, for sure, but he was well and truly overpaid for his style of play and locking that salary away to him held us back.

I hold no grudges to Gaff, always take the money when on offer.

He was an all Australian. You talk about money, but do you know if he was overpaid? What was he paid? Was north offer less than west coast?

Let’s not have our own facts, reports at time were north was offering more.
 
He was an all Australian wingman in 2018 despite missing the last 3 games of the season he was that dominant in the position prior to his brain fade

And he was in the 40 man squad in 2019 and 2020 so it’s not like he wasn’t playing good footy

Gaff finished 5th in the B&F having played 19 of 25 games. He had the highest votes per game average so may have won had he not been suspended

The other thing people forget is under the 2018 contract Gaff had an option to leave after 2 years (at the end of 2020) which he may well have done had it not been for covid

It’s easy to pot the decision in hindsight but at the time it was the right decision

People forget how good prime Gaff was. Accumulated a ton of the ball, was very clean by foot, and hit the scoreboard often enough. Definitely an elite player, hence why he was being offered big money to move. I don't recall many posters wanting him to leave in 2018.

Fans in general definitely have a habit of looking back with hindsight and being overly critical of decisions, without contextualising them to the information held at the time.

 
He was an all Australian. You talk about money, but do you know if he was overpaid? What was he paid? Was north offer less than west coast?

Let’s not have our own facts, reports at time were north was offering more.

The West Australian understands the midfielder yesterday accepted a six-year offer worth about $5.5 million to remain in Perth, at the expense of a seven-year deal worth about $7.5 million to join North Melbourne as a restricted free agent.
 
People forget how good prime Gaff was. Accumulated a ton of the ball, was very clean by foot, and hit the scoreboard often enough. Definitely an elite player, hence why he was being offered big money to move. I don't recall many posters wanting him to leave in 2018.

Fans in general definitely have a habit of looking back with hindsight and being overly critical of decisions, without contextualising them to the information held at the time.


One of the most incredible gut runners I’ve seen since cousins.

Would often dispose of the ball, run 80m past half the field and receive the ball from the player he had just kicked too.

Was lucky enough to watch he and Priddis absolutely demolish the crows in my home state of SA one day after being down by about 6 goals after the first quarter. Was a great day.
 
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We were desperate to go back to back and were desperate to bolster our midfield ( as it was still our biggest weakness at the time) that we went hard at TK. Letting Gaff go would have made no sense. Keeping Gaff on coin and going after Kelly in the end didn’t come up trumphs for us but when your in a window, they’re the types of risks/moves you want the clubs to make. Hopefully in our next tilt these kinda scenarios go our way
 

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