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Let's keep the promotion of and sympathy for anti-vax nonsense off here, thanks.
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Dogs_R_Us
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A tiny minority can still be a lot of dangerous people.
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Are you familiar with the below case?
Current - Undercover police fed an autistic 13yo fixation with ISIS then charged him with terror offences
'Thomas' is an NDIS recipient with an IQ of 71. He was actually targeted. Counter-terrorism police encouraged an autistic 13-year-old boy in his fixation on Islamic State in an undercover operation after his parents sought help from the authorities. The boy, given the pseudonym Thomas...www.bigfooty.com
Too busy baiting kids with mental illness to spend time on the others.
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They have thwarted quite a few terrorist actions. They do a great job. There should be zero terrorism in Australia. So sad that some far left people want to run as far as they can with that negative story.
Yes an AFP officer did a bad job on that case. Humans make errors. No need to act like this means they don't do a valuable job. Such crazy takes will only erode trust in police work and make some people not report suspect terrorists in the future.
Lots of failed attempts on this list:
Appendix B - Timeline of major terrorist incidents in Australia since 2005
Information about major terrorist incidents that have occurred in Australia since 2005.
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They have thwarted quite a few terrorist actions. They do a great job. There should be zero terrorism in Australia. So sad that some far left people want to run as far as they can with that negative story.
Yes an AFP officer did a bad job on that case. Humans make errors. No need to act like this means they don't do a valuable job. Such crazy takes will only erode trust in police work and make some people not report suspect terrorists in the future.
Lots of failed attempts on this list:
Appendix B - Timeline of major terrorist incidents in Australia since 2005
Information about major terrorist incidents that have occurred in Australia since 2005.
There really needs to be a sarcasm font on the forum to make it clear when things aren't being meant 100% how they're written.
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What you call a negative story, contains one of only a few documented (via court documents) insights into some of the operations, of Australian cases involving children, terrorism, radicalisation and deradicalisation, and the thorny question of a what point is incarceration of children and adults (as opposed to deradicalisation attempts), the most important terrorism risk management mitigation.
If you can post any other Australian or overseas cases involving children and the deradicalisation issue, with more details than just a few words on them that would be more useful in this discussion than pulling out the "far left" card.
And I'm a little perplexed as to why you single out an (un-named by you) AFP officer related to that case, toy make it look like it was just human error. As this case involved other Government organisations (VIC Police and ASIO) just to make sure that readers get a feeling for the complexity and strategy sign off of this one.
Maybe you weren't aware (as posted on BF in the dedicated thread) that an AFP Deputy Commissioner has disputed the ruling and said that he would sign off on the operation again, if one like this ever came up. With the court ruling criticised both Vic Police and the AFP for attempting to radicalise the boy.
'Chilling': AFP says it would repeat undercover terror operation on autistic teenager
Greens senator David Shoebridge labels comments by the Australian Federal Police as "chilling" and "extraordinary" after it defended its handling of terror charges against an autistic teenager.
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Australian Federal Police says it would repeat undercover terror operation on autistic teenager
'Despite the ruling the operation fell "profoundly short of the minimum standards expected of law enforcement," AFP Deputy Commissioner Ian McCartney told Senate estimates he would sign off on the operation again."He had [a] long-standing fixation on ISIS. He had expressed a desire to carry out a violent act. He expressed the desire to carry out a school shooting. He was researching material on how to build a bomb, he was engaging with like-minded individuals," the deputy commissioner said.
"I would say in relation to that, there was a conservative three-and-a-half month effort by the Victoria Police Countering Violent Extremism team to deradicalise him. The decision that was made by the team, it wasn't being effective. He was becoming more and more radicalised.
"I think from our view, and again, we go to the damage control operation — if the same set of circumstances, I would sign that again."
Deputy Commissioner McCartney previously noted that the operational decisions were taken jointly by the AFP, Victoria Police and ASIO.
The AFP and Victoria Police acknowledged the court ruling criticising them for attempting to radicalise the boy.
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You are only perplexed because you havent read enough about the case. If you did, you would know that what one poster here described as "coaching" came from one undercover officer (who hasn't been named) who was operating two undercover social media accounts. This officer was aware at the time and discussed with a psychologist on the case that he was walking a very fine line between trying to maintain a credible terrorist persona, and not encouraging the boy when the boy did talk about wanting to kill or make bombs. He overstepped that line and that's what the courts found among other things that lead the judge to essentially dismiss the case.
He didn't dispute the court's ruling at all. He accepted the ruling, but said he was comfortable with the AFP's decision to sign off on the operation itself. That is different to saying the AFP handled the case properly. He has said there would be a review of how they handled the case.
Reviews under way after 13-year-old autistic boy with Islamic State fixation targeted in undercover operation
Under questioning from David Shoebridge, AFP deputy commissioner says police didn’t intend to further radicalise boy known as Thomas Carrick
rdhopkins2
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Not doubting this. As always, be alert to your surroundings and others around you. Without being overly paranoid about the extremely unlikely.A tiny minority can still be a lot of dangerous people.
Wonder if the Feds encouraged him to do it.
I suppose it's possible, in light of what happened with the kid in Victoria, but I'd think it unlikely given they have said he was not known to police for anything to do with extremism.
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Can someone access this article behind a pay wall?
Apparently this act has been praised of so those people should be under serious terror watch.
They have arrested someone in relation to the riot.
www.abc.net.au
First person arrested in connection with riot that followed alleged Sydney church stabbing
A 19-year-old man has been arrested by NSW Police in connection with a riot that happened after the alleged stabbing of a bishop inside a church in Sydney's south-west on Monday night. More arrests are expected.
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Good behaviour bond if it gets to court.They have arrested someone in relation to the riot.
First person arrested in connection with riot that followed alleged Sydney church stabbing
A 19-year-old man has been arrested by NSW Police in connection with a riot that happened after the alleged stabbing of a bishop inside a church in Sydney's south-west on Monday night. More arrests are expected.
Unless they can prove he was the one that injured a police officer.
Why did they send an entire SWAT team like he was some kind of drug lord? Talk about a waste of resources.They have arrested someone in relation to the riot.
First person arrested in connection with riot that followed alleged Sydney church stabbing
A 19-year-old man has been arrested by NSW Police in connection with a riot that happened after the alleged stabbing of a bishop inside a church in Sydney's south-west on Monday night. More arrests are expected.
After what happened the other night and with tensions amongst the community still significant I suspect it was a combination of precautions and sending a message.
The atmosphere in that area of Sydney is very similar to how it was during the Cronulla riots.
Maybe he's known to be part of a group like DLASTHR.
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Probably best to have back up just in case another riot broke out!
The 19 year old arrested as part of the riots is not what I would call the sharpest tool in the shed.
Mansour allegedly filmed himself kicking two police cars during the riot before uploading the footage to Instagram.
Speaking to reporters outside Blacktown police station on Thursday, he said he had "just done one (police car)".
Mansour allegedly filmed himself kicking two police cars during the riot before uploading the footage to Instagram.
Speaking to reporters outside Blacktown police station on Thursday, he said he had "just done one (police car)".
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It seems after this event the cops showed up as you would expect, and then a riot ensued. Not sure if I missed something in the limited tv snippets I've seen about this incident, but why did the crowd kick off and start a riot, and attack the cops? If they were worshippers from the church, wouldn't they be happy the cops showed up to make of with the bishops attacker?
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They had seen the attack on livestream and poured in from surrounding areas. They were chanting "eye for an eye". They wanted the police to hand him over to them.
Potential life sentence, violence in support of terrorism should be mandatory life without the chance of parole preferably in solitary. Instead some progressive judge will look at age, listen to some lawyer drafted sob story and he will be out well before 30.
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This won't go down well with some people but facts must be faced
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His age will factor in, that doesn't make any judge considering sentencing a progressive. 16yo's logical brains aren't at full development, they can do stupid, emotionally immature idiot things. He didn't even know enough to know how to effectively use his own knife.
I dunno about this one, it looks to me like the only serious physical injuries on the night were received by the cops and the stabber himself, if I accept intent.
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"He suffered stab wounds to his shoulder and hands while trying to get the 16-year-old alleged attacker off of Bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel."
