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But bear in mind this is the full statement:
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Former FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III will conduct an independent investigation into the NFL's pursuit and handling of evidence in the Ray Rice domestic violence incident, Commissioner Roger Goodell announced tonight. Director Mueller's investigation will be overseen by NFL owners John Mara of the New York Giants and Art Rooney of the Pittsburgh Steelers, and the final report will be made public.
"Mara and Rooney are both attorneys. Commissioner Goodell pledged that Director Mueller will have the full cooperation of NFL personnel and access to all NFL records. Mueller served as director of the FBI for 12 years (2001-2013) under two presidents. He is currently a partner in the law firm of WilmerHale and is based in Washington, DC."
The investigator is ex FBI and partner in his own law firm. I suspect thinks won't be as easy Goodall hopes it will be.
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Former FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III will conduct an independent investigation into the NFL's pursuit and handling of evidence in the Ray Rice domestic violence incident, Commissioner Roger Goodell announced tonight. Director Mueller's investigation will be overseen by NFL owners John Mara of the New York Giants and Art Rooney of the Pittsburgh Steelers, and the final report will be made public.
"Mara and Rooney are both attorneys. Commissioner Goodell pledged that Director Mueller will have the full cooperation of NFL personnel and access to all NFL records. Mueller served as director of the FBI for 12 years (2001-2013) under two presidents. He is currently a partner in the law firm of WilmerHale and is based in Washington, DC."
The investigator is ex FBI and partner in his own law firm. I suspect thinks won't be as easy Goodall hopes it will be.
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WilmerHale is the lawfirm on retainer for the Washington Redskins, FYI.
They are very chummy-chummy with the NFL, and were chosen for a reason.
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Maybe but remember the last investigation, the Martin enquiry where some very uncomfortable things came out for the NFL. Once an enquiry is started, you do not know where it will end up.
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Na it will be the intern who gets someone's assistant coffee.
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Roger Goodell running from scrutiny
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Roger Goodell running from scrutiny
i thought it was him running from the truth
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Why is the NFL copping so much heat for what they did and didn't do for this incident?
Surely the LAW should come under more scrutiny for failing to punish Rice appropriately according to SOCIETY and not have his employer decide on his punishment?
Surely the LAW should come under more scrutiny for failing to punish Rice appropriately according to SOCIETY and not have his employer decide on his punishment?
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This from the Baltimore Sun from senior executives:
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The Ravens’ top decision makers acknowledged Wednesday that the organization failed in its handling of the Ray Rice investigation and now needs to rebuild trust with its fans.
In their first interview since Monday’s decision to terminate Rice’s contract on the same day a video surfaced of him striking his then-fiancee, Ravens owner Steve Bisciotti, team president Dick Cass and general manager Ozzie Newsome told The Baltimore Sun that the team will be more diligent in investigating legal matters involving their players going forward.
“I realize that instead of being the greatest proponent of my player in situations like this, when the police and the prosecutors and the league are the disciplinarians, we have to do a better job of investigating matters on our own and not waiting for other people who may not do it as well as we think we could do it,” Bisciotti said. “I can assure you that we will not wait for other people to give us their findings in anything, especially domestic assaults.”
Bisciotti added, “We all failed.”
“The buck stops with me,” he said. “I can’t second-guess anybody that helps me run this business. I think that’s unfair. We kind of heard what we wanted to hear and imagined what we wanted to imagine because we loved Ray.”
Bisciotti’s comments came about an hour before a report surfaced that the National Football League had received the video of Rice punching Janay Rice, who is now his wife, in an elevator of an Atlantic City, N.J., casino before NFL commissioner Roger Goodell handed down his widely criticized two-game suspension of Rice in July. Rice, 27, has since been suspended indefinitely, putting his NFL career in jeopardy.
The Associated Press reported that a law enforcement source had sent a copy of the tape to the NFL three months ago. League spokesman Greg Aiello said he had no knowledge of that.
Ravens officials reiterated Wednesday that no one in their facility had seen the tape and that they had been turned away in efforts to obtain a copy of it. Cass said the team asked whether it could send a security official to the Atlantic City Police Department to review the tape, but that request was denied.
“In the very beginning in February, we tried to obtain a copy of the video from the Police Department,” Cass said. “We then tried to obtain a copy from [Revel] casino, [and] they refused. We then went to the prosecutor, [and] they refused. We also went to the directors of security with the Jets and Giants and asked if they could help, and they said they couldn’t. We also went to the NFL representatives for the Giants and Jets and asked them if they could help us, and they were unable to help us. We also went to our NFL security representative and asked if he could help us get a copy. That was all unsuccessful. At that point, Ray’s lawyer had not seen the video.”
Bisciotti said that where the organization erred was not continuing the investigation once Rice, who was facing a felony aggravated assault charge, was accepted into a diversionary program that allowed him to avoid jail time and potentially lead to the charge being removed from his record.
“I regret very much — and we all do — giving up on the video. It was there, we knew it was there, we want to see it. And if I can say so, I’m sure the league wishes that they pushed harder. We said that we pushed as hard as we could and never got it, but we should have pushed harder,” Bisciotti said. “Whatever that level is, we probably shouldn’t have given up. Roger should probably not have given him a suspension before he saw that tape. … That’s where we dropped the ball. That’s where I’m so angry, because it allowed us to accept what the league gave him.”
Said Cass: “I think it serves as a wake-up call in how we handle player conduct issues in the future, particularly any issue with a player involving violence, is something that we have to do a much better job of conducting a vigorous, independent investigation of what the facts are. We have relied too much on theirs to do that, and we need to do more ourselves. I think that was a critical mistake in what we did here.”
Bisciotti said he first viewed the video Monday morning, when it was released by TMZ Sports, and immediately drove to the team facility to meet with Cass, Newsome, coach John Harbaugh and Kevin Byrne, the team’s senior vice president of public relations. The meeting lasted 20 to 30 minutes and the decision was unanimous to release Rice, the three-time Pro Bowl running back who, before the incident, had been one of the team’s most popular and productive players.
Bisciotti described the video as “disgusting and shocking.”
“There’s a big difference between reading a report that says he knocked her unconscious or being told that someone had slapped someone and that she had hit her head,” Cass said. “That is one version of the facts. That’s what we understood to be the case. When you see the video, it just looks very different than what we understood the facts to be.”
Newsome said he and Harbaugh spoke to Rice shortly after his arrest, and his version of what happened matched what was on the tape. But seeing the incident took things to an entirely different level.
“Ray didn’t lie to me,” Newsome said.
Newsome described the phone call to Rice to tell him he was being released as the toughest that he’s had to make in his career as an executive. Asked whether he believes Rice will play in the NFL again, Newsome said, “I think today and for the near future, Ray is going to be working on Ray. I don’t think playing football right now is important to him, based on our conversation. He’s working on himself, Janay and their daughter, and trying to make the best of that.”
Bisciotti expressed hope that Rice will eventually play in the NFL again, but he said that it won’t be with the Ravens.
“I think it’s safe to assume that he’s done here,” Bisciotti said."
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The Ravens’ top decision makers acknowledged Wednesday that the organization failed in its handling of the Ray Rice investigation and now needs to rebuild trust with its fans.
In their first interview since Monday’s decision to terminate Rice’s contract on the same day a video surfaced of him striking his then-fiancee, Ravens owner Steve Bisciotti, team president Dick Cass and general manager Ozzie Newsome told The Baltimore Sun that the team will be more diligent in investigating legal matters involving their players going forward.
“I realize that instead of being the greatest proponent of my player in situations like this, when the police and the prosecutors and the league are the disciplinarians, we have to do a better job of investigating matters on our own and not waiting for other people who may not do it as well as we think we could do it,” Bisciotti said. “I can assure you that we will not wait for other people to give us their findings in anything, especially domestic assaults.”
Bisciotti added, “We all failed.”
“The buck stops with me,” he said. “I can’t second-guess anybody that helps me run this business. I think that’s unfair. We kind of heard what we wanted to hear and imagined what we wanted to imagine because we loved Ray.”
Bisciotti’s comments came about an hour before a report surfaced that the National Football League had received the video of Rice punching Janay Rice, who is now his wife, in an elevator of an Atlantic City, N.J., casino before NFL commissioner Roger Goodell handed down his widely criticized two-game suspension of Rice in July. Rice, 27, has since been suspended indefinitely, putting his NFL career in jeopardy.
The Associated Press reported that a law enforcement source had sent a copy of the tape to the NFL three months ago. League spokesman Greg Aiello said he had no knowledge of that.
Ravens officials reiterated Wednesday that no one in their facility had seen the tape and that they had been turned away in efforts to obtain a copy of it. Cass said the team asked whether it could send a security official to the Atlantic City Police Department to review the tape, but that request was denied.
“In the very beginning in February, we tried to obtain a copy of the video from the Police Department,” Cass said. “We then tried to obtain a copy from [Revel] casino, [and] they refused. We then went to the prosecutor, [and] they refused. We also went to the directors of security with the Jets and Giants and asked if they could help, and they said they couldn’t. We also went to the NFL representatives for the Giants and Jets and asked them if they could help us, and they were unable to help us. We also went to our NFL security representative and asked if he could help us get a copy. That was all unsuccessful. At that point, Ray’s lawyer had not seen the video.”
Bisciotti said that where the organization erred was not continuing the investigation once Rice, who was facing a felony aggravated assault charge, was accepted into a diversionary program that allowed him to avoid jail time and potentially lead to the charge being removed from his record.
“I regret very much — and we all do — giving up on the video. It was there, we knew it was there, we want to see it. And if I can say so, I’m sure the league wishes that they pushed harder. We said that we pushed as hard as we could and never got it, but we should have pushed harder,” Bisciotti said. “Whatever that level is, we probably shouldn’t have given up. Roger should probably not have given him a suspension before he saw that tape. … That’s where we dropped the ball. That’s where I’m so angry, because it allowed us to accept what the league gave him.”
Said Cass: “I think it serves as a wake-up call in how we handle player conduct issues in the future, particularly any issue with a player involving violence, is something that we have to do a much better job of conducting a vigorous, independent investigation of what the facts are. We have relied too much on theirs to do that, and we need to do more ourselves. I think that was a critical mistake in what we did here.”
Bisciotti said he first viewed the video Monday morning, when it was released by TMZ Sports, and immediately drove to the team facility to meet with Cass, Newsome, coach John Harbaugh and Kevin Byrne, the team’s senior vice president of public relations. The meeting lasted 20 to 30 minutes and the decision was unanimous to release Rice, the three-time Pro Bowl running back who, before the incident, had been one of the team’s most popular and productive players.
Bisciotti described the video as “disgusting and shocking.”
“There’s a big difference between reading a report that says he knocked her unconscious or being told that someone had slapped someone and that she had hit her head,” Cass said. “That is one version of the facts. That’s what we understood to be the case. When you see the video, it just looks very different than what we understood the facts to be.”
Newsome said he and Harbaugh spoke to Rice shortly after his arrest, and his version of what happened matched what was on the tape. But seeing the incident took things to an entirely different level.
“Ray didn’t lie to me,” Newsome said.
Newsome described the phone call to Rice to tell him he was being released as the toughest that he’s had to make in his career as an executive. Asked whether he believes Rice will play in the NFL again, Newsome said, “I think today and for the near future, Ray is going to be working on Ray. I don’t think playing football right now is important to him, based on our conversation. He’s working on himself, Janay and their daughter, and trying to make the best of that.”
Bisciotti expressed hope that Rice will eventually play in the NFL again, but he said that it won’t be with the Ravens.
“I think it’s safe to assume that he’s done here,” Bisciotti said."
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According to the article I just posted a link to, one of the former partners of the firm is the current Ravens president. Amazing.
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“but I am standing by Roger. He has been great for our bank accounts."
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Haven't read the 6 pages, apologies if I repeat anything..
That's the best way to excuse someone that's ****ed up. But he's done a great job... many in Miami say that about the 80's drug trade. It was bad.. BUT look at the progress that occurred.
Rice knocked his GF out.. but... LOOK at all the charity work he has done.
Poor argument. Also already reading comments on FB it seems many are trying to turn this into a race issue. I guess that's America for you..
That's the best way to excuse someone that's ****ed up. But he's done a great job... many in Miami say that about the 80's drug trade. It was bad.. BUT look at the progress that occurred.
Rice knocked his GF out.. but... LOOK at all the charity work he has done.
Poor argument. Also already reading comments on FB it seems many are trying to turn this into a race issue. I guess that's America for you..
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While I'm enjoying seeing grenades being lobbed at Rodger the Dodger, the media feeding frenzy is drawing blood from the wrong source.
The NFL can change perceptions on issues but they don't enforce the law. If legislators, law enforcement & prosecutors do their job properly then these sort of incidents are easy for the NFL & other organisations to deal with.
If the law sees what he did as a misdemeanor or not worthy of prosecution - and we know they had all the evidence - then how is an employer supposed to legally & consistently enforce additional penalties?
IMO the focus on organisations like the NFL in regards to these incidents is a convenient distraction for those who are the true enablers.
The NFL can change perceptions on issues but they don't enforce the law. If legislators, law enforcement & prosecutors do their job properly then these sort of incidents are easy for the NFL & other organisations to deal with.
If the law sees what he did as a misdemeanor or not worthy of prosecution - and we know they had all the evidence - then how is an employer supposed to legally & consistently enforce additional penalties?
IMO the focus on organisations like the NFL in regards to these incidents is a convenient distraction for those who are the true enablers.
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Goodell told CBS that Rice's account was "ambiguous." Four sources say Rice told the commish he punched his fiancée: http://t.co/DDlYxqhLv7
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anyone else disgusted by the amount of ravens fans wearing Ray Rice jerseys tonight at the game?
Anyone that stands by Ray Rice is promoting violence against women.
Anyone that stands by Ray Rice is promoting violence against women.
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Bill Simmons weighs in on the Goodell affair.
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/roger-goodell-need-to-step-down/
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/roger-goodell-need-to-step-down/
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I am flabbergasted that there are women at that game wearing his Jersey
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Remember that this is the franchise that built a statue to Ray Lewis.
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He was not found guilty of anything so he has done nothing wrong
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Pistorious just got off and he literally didn't have a leg to stand on
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It seems defending the worst in society (ie: criminals) is the thing to do in the US. I'm not sure why, if its some sort of entrenched "free speech" feeling they grow up with. Or if its just total religious belief that their 'hero' can do no wrong.
We see it with Michael Jackson, OJ and numerous other celebrities. Almost the opposite to Tall Poppy Syndrome.
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Have a look at the comments on our facey page, can not believe the amount of people standing by him.
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Has this been posted?
http://deadspin.com/bill-polian-disagrees-with-bill-polians-insider-opinion-1633593081
Very odd change of attitude from Mr Polian
http://deadspin.com/bill-polian-disagrees-with-bill-polians-insider-opinion-1633593081
Very odd change of attitude from Mr Polian
