Social Religion, Politics and absolutely nothing to do with footy

[Cataholic]

Can't find that article.
Oh well Fight Night Tomorrow!!!!
He'll be fighting big then. Green about 15kgs heavier.

Titled 'Why Mundine was never really The Man'

By Winsor Dobbin

Yeah, Green should smash him

 

[Spazz Cat]

Titled 'Why Mundine was never really The Man'

By Winsor Dobbin

Yeah, Green should smash him

Cheers. Will look it up. If Mundine wins I'll be having a fair chuckle.

 

[Cataholic]

Cheers. Will look it up. If Mundine wins I'll be having a fair chuckle.

Fair enough too, though I think crowd favouritism will be with Green.

Seeing Mundine belted into retirement and voiceless anonymity will be satisfying to a lot of people.

 

[Spazz Cat]

Fair enough too, though I think crowd favouritism will be with Green.

Seeing Mundine belted into retirement and voiceless anonymity will be satisfying to a lot of people.

I'd say around 90% of Australians want that.

 

[Cataholic]

I'd say around 90% of Australians want that.

Only 90% ??

 

[Partridge]

You're right - when referring to ignorance about the existence of an issue or matter. No excuse at all.

But ignorance created when someone closes their mind - now that's a different animal and very abundant.

Absolutely. It's what happens when feelings get put ahead of ideas.

 

[Spazz Cat]

Where Cataholic at?

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Why does God's word need to be written by man? Why can't God be open and transparent about what he wants and expects from us? Why give us a "free will" but no clarity for which we should go about our lives? Then, punish us for not making the 'correct' choice. A punishment which involves eternally perishing in the pits of hell.

Just on that, have you seen Al Pacino cracking performance as Satan in Devil's Advocate?

 

[Cataholic]

Where Cataholic at?

Over here.....

 

[Spazz Cat]

Over here.....

Whoops, posted that before the judges results came in.
Was about to go on a rant and start giving everyone s**t. Lucky I didn't.

 

[Cataholic]

Whoops, posted that before the judges results came in.
Was about to go on a rant and start giving everyone s**t. Lucky I didn't.

All good

Thought you were getting ready to jump in from the timing of the post lol.

I mightn't be far off in my prediction of a Green v Mundine 3......

 

[Spazz Cat]

All good

Thought you were getting ready to jump in from the timing of the post lol.

I mightn't be far off in my prediction of a Green v Mundine 3......

TBH I don't think a rematch will attract much interest. It's pretty safe to say that was the final nail in the coffin of Australian boxing.
Even not counting the rigged decision, it was a very dodgy night all round. That Cooper fight Ha Ha.

 

[Cataholic]

TBH I don't think a rematch will attract much interest. It's pretty safe to say that was the final nail in the coffin of Australian boxing.
Even not counting the rigged decision, it was a very dodgy night all round. That Cooper fight Ha Ha.

Yeah, was pretty ordinary boxing.

Felt sorry for McInnes, but gutsy by him coming off only 2 weeks notice.....

Tzsyu's son looks bloody good though.

 

[Cataholic]

Not sure where else to put this, and will let you decide, but a guy by the name of Rodney Clark is seeking parole.

The victim's family have an on-line petition.

Please look.

Thanks

 

[geelong_crazy26]

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Love his humour!! More players and coaches in this boring serious overly political correct football system need to be abit more like paddy and enjoy themselves with a bit of fun. It's turning into politics where everyone is too scared to open their mouths because they might offend someone.

 

[Catgirl]

Love his humour!! More players and coaches in this boring serious overly political correct football system need to be abit more like paddy and enjoy themselves with a bit of fun. It's turning into politics where everyone is too scared to open their mouths because they might offend someone.

Danger is an outspoken leftist himself, and therefore an advocate of the "politically correct" football system you denounce. Further, I don't see why a game/corporation comprised of such a variety of demographics SHOULDN'T cater to all and conduct itself in a politically correct manner.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Danger is an outspoken leftist himself, and therefore an advocate of the "politically correct" football system you denounce. Further, I don't see why a game/corporation comprised of such a variety of demographics SHOULDN'T cater to all and conduct itself in a politically correct manner.

At least he can have a bit of fun, that's all I am referring to with danger, would be great if others could follow suit.

I disagree, the rediculous lunacy this leftist nonsense has gone to is becoming a laughing joke. This whole socialist nonsense with the stuff being thrown around is just getting out of hand, and I don't want to see every AFL player scared to open his mouth out of fear of being called some sort of phobe or offending someone. Not going to go into details but it has gotten absolute nuts what lefties do now. It's all over our school systems, thank god it isn't anything like that in the AFL.

I'm ll for diversity and opinions but what's going on lately is just lunatics with microphones in the media

 

[Catgirl]

I disagree, the rediculous lunacy this leftist nonsense has gone to is becoming a laughing joke.

How so? Is it so wrong that there may be repercussions for making someone feel as if they do not have equivalent worth to you? I don't see how being permitted to alienate such groups can be positive, and if that's your biggest qualm with society well, then you have it easy.

This whole socialist nonsense

Don't see any "socialist" nonsense, the modern worker is looking as subjugated as ever. No liberation of the proletariat here. You say as much yourself when you imply that AFL players (workers) are not able to speak or express themselves freely.

with the stuff being thrown around is just getting out of hand, and I don't want to see every AFL player scared to open his mouth out of fear of being called some sort of phobe or offending someone.

At the end of the day, the AFL only bares concerns for offending certain demographics not because they give a s**t about respective feelings, but because it is a corporation and such a controversial move will detract future sponsors and potential supporters from associating with the game. Same goes with any organisation that exercises social and ethical responsibility.

Not going to go into details but it has gotten absolute nuts what lefties do now. It's all over our school systems, thank god it isn't anything like that in the AFL.

School system is leftist? A leftist school system wouldn't allow for such a massive disparity between public and private school education.

I'm ll for diversity and opinions but what's going on lately is just lunatics with microphones in the media

GC26, I do enjoy your posts, but too often do I see populist rhetoric and buzzwordism all over Bigfooty with zero alternative solutions offered up. Tell me what you expect politicians to be if not "politically correct"? What is a plausible alternative in the new age of globalisation? There isn't one. There is a distinct difference between "offending" a player by insulting their playing style, something that is actually relevant to the game, and referring to a player with derogatory slave age terminology based on a physical characteristic they inherited. One is okay, and one is not and should not be treated with normality.

 

[Mr Meow]

How so? Is it so wrong that there may be repercussions for making someone feel as if they do not have equivalent worth to you? I don't see how being permitted to alienate such groups can be positive, and if that's your biggest qualm with society well, then you have it easy.


Don't see any "socialist" nonsense, the modern worker is looking as subjugated as ever. No liberation of the proletariat here. You say as much yourself when you imply that AFL players (workers) are not able to speak or express themselves freely.


At the end of the day, the AFL only bares concerns for offending certain demographics not because they give a s**t about respective feelings, but because it is a corporation and such a controversial move will detract future sponsors and potential supporters from associating with the game. Same goes with any organisation that exercises social and ethical responsibility.


School system is leftist? A leftist school system wouldn't allow for such a massive disparity between public and private school education.


GC26, I do enjoy your posts, but too often do I see populist rhetoric and buzzwordism all over Bigfooty with zero alternative solutions offered up. Tell me what you expect politicians to be if not "politically correct"? What is a plausible alternative in the new age of globalisation? There isn't one. There is a distinct difference between "offending" a player by insulting their playing style, something that is actually relevant to the game, and referring to a player with derogatory slave age terminology based on a physical characteristic they inherited. One is okay, and one is not and should not be treated with normality.

I've patiently been waiting for the kind of ignorance espoused there by GC26 to be torn to pieces. Thank you. The "it's political correctness gone mad!" crew are more of a parody than those they deride. I find it nothing more than a lazy attempt to justify their own bigoted and outdated views.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

How so? Is it so wrong that there may be repercussions for making someone feel as if they do not have equivalent worth to you? I don't see how being permitted to alienate such groups can be positive, and if that's your biggest qualm with society well, then you have it easy.


Don't see any "socialist" nonsense, the modern worker is looking as subjugated as ever. No liberation of the proletariat here. You say as much yourself when you imply that AFL players (workers) are not able to speak or express themselves freely.


At the end of the day, the AFL only bares concerns for offending certain demographics not because they give a s**t about respective feelings, but because it is a corporation and such a controversial move will detract future sponsors and potential supporters from associating with the game. Same goes with any organisation that exercises social and ethical responsibility.


School system is leftist? A leftist school system wouldn't allow for such a massive disparity between public and private school education.


GC26, I do enjoy your posts, but too often do I see populist rhetoric and buzzwordism all over Bigfooty with zero alternative solutions offered up. Tell me what you expect politicians to be if not "politically correct"? What is a plausible alternative in the new age of globalisation? There isn't one. There is a distinct difference between "offending" a player by insulting their playing style, something that is actually relevant to the game, and referring to a player with derogatory slave age terminology based on a physical characteristic they inherited. One is okay, and one is not and should not be treated with normality.

I'm referring to the stupid and rediculous extend of all this madness. Most of which is just leftist tools to tell people how they have to behave speak think and even talk to their children at the dinner table. Just a few examples of the luni left socialist nonsense to illustrate what I'm getting at.

. Safe schools( thank god it's gone and will be gone in vic soon) where little kids are told some sick disturbing things, only this week primary aged kids where told about the process of removing the penis to create a vagina...
. Having parks where only certain colours and religions can enter which is disgraceful
. Having students told at universities that they need to "act more like females" and behave less confident and doubt themselves more, and to stop being loud and outspoken in class in general because it oppressed groups.
. Making students sign a form saying " I have white man born privileges"...
. Debating on the ABC whether or not reading bedtime stories to your children and living in a loving home should be nullified because it gives you an unfair advantage over other children lol( yes this is real look it up).
. Telling primary children for a whole day that their parents are raising them poor and the government is taking them away.


I could go on and on with rediculous socialist garbage that is creeping into society, none which is discriminating or offensive, but just garbage leftism.

The first instance of this really at AFL was bachar Houli receiving a special treatment which was a disgrace, I am happy Eddie and others spoke out against this and pressured the AFL to appeal it and give the proper sentence.

I'm not referring to racist slurs or remarks,I am referring to in general the whole lunacy of the socialist left. where my concerns are is having this horseshit creep into the AFL system as well. Hopefully it stays well clear

 

[Catgirl]

. Safe schools( thank god it's gone and will be gone in vic soon) where little kids are told some sick disturbing things, only this week primary aged kids where told about the process of removing the penis to create a vagina...

Transgenders aren't a recent "leftist" phenomenon. They can be traced back several centuries.

The Safe Schools Coalition was purportedly designed to "promote safety, inclusion and respect for gay, intersex and gender-diverse students". Again, I'll ask you. What good will it do to alienate these groups? What is your alternative? Have people walk around without any clue how to interact with and receive the legitimate issues such groups confront daily? That does not make for a cohesive society.

And once again. What does this necessarily have to do with socialism? Not even leftism is completely congruent with socialism. I'm not quite sure you know what the word means, you just seem to be playing the buzzword again.

. Having parks where only certain colours and religions can enter which is disgraceful

You would be referring to swimming pools, and yes it is completely lawful and not even slightly disgraceful that Muslim women are designated their own swimming sessions. It would be a gross violation of S116 of the Constitution to force them to flounder half naked in the eye of others when that would be a poor exhibition of their faith. If you reserve grievances with the Constitution and believe your opinion to be the most humane, incite referenda and see how much support you can garner.

. Having students told at universities that they need to "act more like females" and behave less confident and doubt themselves more, and to stop being loud and outspoken in class in general because it oppressed groups.

This is just straw picking now, surely.

. Making students sign a form saying " I have white man born privileges"...

And this

. Debating on the ABC whether or not reading bedtime stories to your children and living in a loving home should be nullified because it gives you an unfair advantage over other children lol( yes this is real look it up).

How is a singular debate in any way corrosive to the state of society (which really wasn't all that peachy in the first place)? I don't see any legislation passed preventing children from being read bedtime stories. In one breath you haggle leftists for shouting down the close-minded opinions of others, but have an issue when theirs are vocalised.

I just find it funny. Of all the vile ideologies and ideologues our world has produced throughout history, the people who grind your gears most are those who will go the extra mile, sometimes to absurd measures, to create a more inclusive society for all.

I could go on and on with rediculous socialist garbage that is creeping into society

GC26. With all due respect, you seem to be deluded as to what the term 'socialist' means. A socialist state is an intermediary economy adopted between late stage capitalism and Marx's proposed theory of communism. The ENTIRE premise of such a state is TO AVOID debating identity politics on behalf of minorities (because they are divisions created by the reigning capitalist class). Any socialist will vehemently denounce those who focus merely on the rights of minorities without acknowledging class constructs and polarisation, in fact certain schools of thought will choose not to acknowledge social divisions at all lest they be class-based. The term you are looking for is a liberal/democrat - often struggle fetishists who, sure, may have good intentions, but simply seek to solve intrinsic social problems in the wrong ways. Annoying and disagreeable, perhaps. But hardly the cancer you make them out to be.

The first instance of this really at AFL was bachar Houli receiving a special treatment which was a disgrace,

How is it that in your many years of AFL spectation you have never seen a player get off lightly with the MRP? Hardly has anything to do with his faith, but it's just like the reactionary right to bring it up and shout conspiracy where it is not called for.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

I've patiently been waiting for the kind of ignorance espoused there by GC26 to be torn to pieces. Thank you. The "it's political correctness gone mad!" crew are more of a parody than those they deride. I find it nothing more than a lazy attempt to justify their own bigoted and outdated views.

The only outdated and bigoted views are the divisive ones held by the left that we should all be judged differently based on out gender, religion, skin colour and sexual preference . Political correctness in just the weapon of identity politics .

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Transgenders aren't a recent "leftist" phenomenon. They can be traced back several centuries.

The Safe Schools Coalition was purportedly designed to "promote safety, inclusion and respect for gay, intersex and gender-diverse students". Again, I'll ask you. What good will it do to alienate these groups? What is your alternative? Have people walk around without any clue how to interact with and receive the legitimate issues such groups confront daily? That does not make for a cohesive society.

And once again. What does this necessarily have to do with socialism? Not even leftism is completely congruent with socialism. I'm not quite sure you know what the word means, you just seem to be playing the buzzword again.


You would be referring to swimming pools, and yes it is completely lawful and not even slightly disgraceful that Muslim women are designated their own swimming sessions. It would be a gross violation of S116 of the Constitution to force them to flounder half naked in the eye of others when that would be a poor exhibition of their faith. If you reserve grievances with the Constitution and believe your opinion to be the most humane, incite referenda and see how much support you can garner.


This is just straw picking now, surely.


And this


How is a singular debate in any way corrosive to the state of society (which really wasn't all that peachy in the first place)? I don't see any legislation passed preventing children from being read bedtime stories. In one breath you haggle leftists for shouting down the close-minded opinions of others, but have an issue when theirs are vocalised.

I just find it funny. Of all the vile ideologies and ideologues our world has produced throughout history, the people who grind your gears most are those who will go the extra mile, sometimes to absurd measures, to create a more inclusive society for all.


GC26. With all due respect, you seem to be deluded as to what the term 'socialist' means. A socialist state is an intermediary economy adopted between late stage capitalism and Marx's proposed theory of communism. The ENTIRE premise of such a state is TO AVOID debating identity politics on behalf of minorities (because they are divisions created by the reigning capitalist class). Any socialist will vehemently denounce those who focus merely on the rights of minorities without acknowledging class constructs and polarisation, in fact certain schools of thought will choose not to acknowledge social divisions at all lest they be class-based. The term you are looking for is a liberal/democrat - often struggle fetishists who, sure, may have good intentions, but simply seek to solve intrinsic social problems in the wrong ways. Annoying and disagreeable, perhaps. But hardly the cancer you make them out to be.


How is it that in your many years of AFL spectation you have never seen a player get off lightly with the MRP? Hardly has anything to do with his faith, but it's just like the reactionary right to bring it up and shout conspiracy where it is not called for.

Cat Girl I am a member if the liberal party and I can tell you it will be gone when they most likely win the state election next year.
https://vic.liberal.org.au/news/2016-06-04/safe-schools-position-statement

"Despite its name, Daniel Andrews and Roz Ward’s Safe Schools program is not at all about making schools safer for students. Safe Schools is not a broad anti-bullying program that encourages our children to respect others no matter what their circumstances.

Daniel Andrews and Roz Ward’s program is all about pushing one person’s radical-Marxist ideology onto other people’s children.

Victorian schools should provide genuine anti-bullying programs for students, which promote respect for all others irrespective of their circumstances. These programs should not be a Trojan horse for politicising the Victorian education system."

Teaching kids that gender is fluid and that we live in a society were we are all conditioned to be heterosexual , men are conditioned to be aggressive and dominate and woman are conditioned to be complaint and submissive has nothing to do with bullying .

Can you tell me how gay people are excluded in our society ? they are treated the same under the law ,have the right to the same education and access to all the government services that we all do .

Who is forcing Islamic woman to swim half naked ? they are making a choice that its not ok for them to swim in front of others so they should find somewhere else to swim or take up running .They don't need to use a public swimming pool they can find a private one . I am also talking about public playgrounds for people who's skin colour is not white . Again the key here is the fact that its on public property which belong to all of us.

Yes in safe schools and respectful relationships they are using fairy tales as an example of how boys are conditioned to dominate and girls are conditions to be submissive .

The fundamental principal of the left is equality based on outcomes , usually money .If you have two people in one room , one has $4 and the other $1 as far as the left is concerned the person with $4 must be oppressing the person with $1 . The left don't care if the person with $4 has worked harder or saved his money , they are looking for reasons how they are oppressing the other person . This is how we get the white male privilege BS .In this country no group of people are oppressed .

 

[geelong_crazy26]

GC26, I do enjoy your posts, but too often do I see populist rhetoric and buzzwordism all over Bigfooty with zero alternative solutions offered up. Tell me what you expect politicians to be if not "politically correct"? What is a plausible alternative in the new age of globalisation? There isn't one. There is a distinct difference between "offending" a player by insulting their playing style, something that is actually relevant to the game, and referring to a player with derogatory slave age terminology based on a physical characteristic they inherited. One is okay, and one is not and should not be treated with normality.

My simple answer to this question is I believe the Australian people are not racist ,sexist, homophobic and anti-Islamic .

The following needs to happen in this country

1.Get rid of safe schools and respectful relationships
2.Shut down SBS and cut the funding of the ABC in half
3.Significantly reduce the number of students studying humanity subjects at university
4.Make it illegal to give a job to someone for any reason other than merit , no so called affirmative action or quotas
5.Get rid of the human rights commission and abolish 18c.
6.Reduce the number of immigrants to this country