Umpiring Swans v Tigers - Should it have been 50?

[PHanevski]

Swans getting the rub of the green after the final siren sure does occur a lot then.

In another one at Sydney where the umpires seemed to ignore the rules was in 2019 against Essendon when Rampe climbed the goal post after the siren just a couple of seconds before the Essendon player took the kick.

Scores were 77 - 72 and the fifty would have put him on the goal line. Seems like lightning does strike twice.

 

[deck]

It has now been stated that the non controlling umpire paid the free kick so is understandable the player hasn't heard the whistle.

 

[bc27]

100% a 50m penalty.

 

[tiger_tough]

The very first free kick of Round 11 completely bewilders everyone

"That's amazing!"

www.theroar.com.au

Great start to a game

Hard pressed to find a worse free kick paid.....except maybe the Rioli one later.

 

[Eshay187]

Great start to a game

Hard pressed to find a worse free kick paid.....except maybe the Rioli one later.

The very first free kick of Round 11 completely bewilders everyone

"That's amazing!"

www.theroar.com.au

Great start to a game

Hard pressed to find a worse free kick paid.....except maybe the Rioli one later.

It’s now been well established that the free kick was for a holding off the ball from before the replay. If you watch it live, the whistle has already blown before what they show in the replay.

More telecast incompetence, they should lose their media license.

 

[Andyy]

Not sure if anyone else has shared this, but thoughts?

50m paid after siren due to ball not returned immediately. 2022.

Don't see why umpires are now allowed to assume/speak for a player by saying that they couldn't hear the whistle etc. They have rarely used common sense like that, for example Bolton's 50m conceded the other week vs ?Dons.

 

[Andyy]

If this was at the end of any other quarter I think they would have paid the 50.

As it was the end of the game and would have had a direct result on the outcome they didn’t want to pay it.

Technically yes I think it should have been a 50. It’s good to see common sense come into it, however they haven’t umpired with a commonsense approach all year so why change now.

Why should it matter what quarter it is?

More important to get it right in the last quarter with the score so close IMO.

 

[Andyy]

50's are paid because you are impeding or penalising the opposition by not giving the ball back in a timely manner (e.g allowing time to setup your defence).


Q: What advantage was Warner gaining by booting the ball out after the siren had gone.

A: None

Therefore commonsense says no penalty.

Allowing team mates to get back and prevent the ball rolling through for a score.

As opposed to Prestia kicking it immediately before they can flood back.

The distance itself isn't the issue as every player is different and might flush it or shank it etc. This is why you need a consistent approach, not choosing what someone thinks is 'common sense' on the night.

 

[tiger_tough]

Not sure if anyone else has shared this, but thoughts?

50m paid after siren due to ball not returned immediately. 2022.

Don't see why umpires are now allowed to assume/speak for a player by saying that they couldn't hear the whistle etc. They have rarely used common sense like that, for example Bolton's 50m conceded the other week vs ?Dons.

Madness.

 

[Mister B]

Riewoldt doesn't complain if umpire pays 50....

Riewoldt was complaining before they had even had a chance to work out what the * was going on. Grimes initially came in and remonstrated before that. The way the Richmond players surrounded the umpire was the exact reason why the league brought the dissent rule in.

and if we want to play the sliding doors game, if the umpire that paid the pissweak hold on Prestia hadn't have ignored the elbow directly to the face of Warner immediately before, it was game over regardless.

 

[Mister B]

As I said earlier, you can appeal for a decision

So the Lloyd 50 earlier in the game that lead to a goal was incorrect? Cool. So let's call it even and a 6 point win to Sydney.

 

[Mister B]

It’s not just common sense, it’s the rules.

I’m not interested in reviewing whether in the past the umpires got it right or wrong, of course they get it wrong sometimes. They got it right this time. Warner celebrated with the crowd ffs. He’d have to be an amazingly good actor to pretend within half a second he didn’t know Prestia had been paid a free kick.

None of the players in the vicinity did. Warner and Rowbottom celebrated, Cotchin and Prestia dropped their heads and Cotchin dropped the F bomb. Everyone thought it was game over, yet people here seem to think everyone on the ground knew it was paid.

 

[Mister B]

Not sure if anyone else has shared this, but thoughts?

50m paid after siren due to ball not returned immediately. 2022.

Don't see why umpires are now allowed to assume/speak for a player by saying that they couldn't hear the whistle etc. They have rarely used common sense like that, for example Bolton's 50m conceded the other week vs ?Dons.

Well for starters, it was a clear free kick so the player knew it had been paid. Second of all the umpire had blown the whistle 5 times before he dropped the ball and threw it away.

In Warner's case, the whistle had been blown by the non-officiating ump, none of the players in the immediate vicinity heard it and it was straight after the first whistle was blown.

 

[damicky]

Well for starters, it was a clear free kick so the player knew it had been paid. Second of all the umpire had blown the whistle 5 times before he dropped the ball and threw it away.

In Warner's case, the whistle had been blown by the non-officiating ump, none of the players in the immediate vicinity heard it and it was straight after the first whistle was blown.

So many excuses

 

[Mister B]

So many excuses

They wanted to know the difference. These are the clear differences between the two that led to different interpretations. What is it in particular you disagree with about what I have said?

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

They wanted to know the difference. These are the clear differences between the two that led to different interpretations. What is it in particular you disagree with about what I have said?

It’s the excuses, it’s Mabo, it’s the vibe of the thing.

 

[Maddo11]

Not sure if anyone else has shared this, but thoughts?

50m paid after siren due to ball not returned immediately. 2022.

Don't see why umpires are now allowed to assume/speak for a player by saying that they couldn't hear the whistle etc. They have rarely used common sense like that, for example Bolton's 50m conceded the other week vs ?Dons.

Maybe because in the example you posted both players turn and look at the ump who is signalling a free kick and then the player with the ball throws it away.

Warner is running towards the boundary to pick up a loose ball and the siren and whistle go at the same time (like it does at the end of every game) so he starts celebrating.

While they're similar scenarios, I think both got the correct outcome

 

[Banyo Bloods]

So many excuses

For why the Tigers lost

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Hypothetically if the situations had been reversed and it was Swans free kick AND they were given the 50and kicked the goal….

I’m just trying to imagine the meltdown from Tiger supporters. It would be unprecedented.


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[Timmy from Thomastown]

Allowing team mates to get back and prevent the ball rolling through for a score.

As opposed to Prestia kicking it immediately before they can flood back.

The distance itself isn't the issue as every player is different and might flush it or shank it etc. This is why you need a consistent approach, not choosing what someone thinks is 'common sense' on the night.

The common sense consistent approach is to give the player the benefit of the doubt when the umpire believes he hasn’t heard the whistle. Common sense does come into it, because an umpires job is to determine intent, and it’s preferable that they use common sense when making such determinations. And warners clear intent was to celebrate a win thinking the game was over, given that he kicked the ball into the crowd and threw his fist in the air. Any reasonable person would agree from his body language that he had no idea Prestia had been paid a free.

I do agree with you that just because full time itself was called, this is not a reason in itself to not pay a 50. If a 50 is there it’s there. Umpires didn’t refuse to pay 50 for that reason though. They paid it because Warner didn’t hear the whistle.

 

[dean33]

I'd have thought you'd have to pretty shameless to want to win a game based off a decision like that.

Well considering the first free kick and goal you got, I don’t think you blokes had any grounds to complain.

 

[dean33]

Yes because he was arguing BEFORE the decision was made either way. Before they decided that it wasn't 50 Grimes had already had to pull away Riewoldt who was in the umps face. Based on this year, that's dissent.



Well actually you are wrong. The umpires can not pay a 50 if they think there wasn't enough time between the free kick being paid and the kick. Happens every week. You do watch footy right? It gets kicked out of a contest 10 times a game after a free with no 50.

Sorry you have to forgive us Richmond fans as we only see Richmond players kick the ball after a whistle is blown and are immediately penalised 50 metres. Probably happened to us about 10 times this season.

 

[dean33]

You wouldn’t find it disrespectful if someone stood in your face telling you how to do you job?

Isn’t umpire respect the crux of this (years) issue?

Disrespectful? Please. Afl brings in a ludicrous rule and drips like yourself lap it up. These maggots have brought on any disrespect onto themselves with the way they officiate the game.

 

[BF Tiger]

The umpires have always used common sense, just like here...

 

[LSRU]

Disrespectful? Please. Afl brings in a ludicrous rule and drips like yourself lap it up. These maggots have brought on any disrespect onto themselves with the way they officiate the game.

I never said I agreed with it peanut.

Move on, the same thing happened in the Freo Melbourne game yesterday and no 50 was paid. You lost.