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Beerfish said:
I dont have time to read that atm but the quote I heard on ABC radio this morning was "the only man in there was the one with the gun".
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I think it's a good idea to ignore political soundbites, no matter who the politician is.

Soundbites lack context, and context is vital to the use of language.
 
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Either the subbies need to think about how headlines will be cropped, or someone should probably call the Police.
 
I'm loving this knighting Prince Edward bullshit. Talk about a meaningless storm in a tea cup.

Glad to see that the libs finally find themselves on the end of an issue that is the result of nothing other than the politics of negativity that looks like it will sink them (or at least their current leader).

We've put up with what should, in any rational substantive sense, be bi-partisan issues not even in consideration at the ballot box, such as immigration policy, climate change policy and trying to regulate discrimination via the Marriages Act, bogging down politics for the best part of 20 years.

You get the electorate you deserve Abbott. Suck a fat utensil.
 
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Just a pity its the knighthood thing that seems to be causing all the problems for him, and not the numerous breaches of human rights, gutting the ABC and all the other horrible s**t they said they wouldn't do but did anyway.
 
Old Campaigner said:
Just a pity its the knighthood thing that seems to be causing all the problems for him, and not the numerous breaches of human rights, gutting the ABC and all the other horrible s**t they said they wouldn't do but did anyway.
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That's the irony isn't it? Why does anyone even give a *?

Putting the nail in the coffin of manufacturing despite Holden's offer of an obscene return on the government's investment is the sort of policy that actually impacts tens of thousands of people directly.
 
Old Campaigner said:
Just a pity its the knighthood thing that seems to be causing all the problems for him, and not the numerous breaches of human rights, gutting the ABC and all the other horrible s**t they said they wouldn't do but did anyway.
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the knighthood is strange as you gotta wonder are there no Australians more deserving than than Prince Philip.

with regards to gutting the ABC, broadcast & Media networks all around the world including Australia are cost cutting. due to shrinking revenue streams as people are getting their news sources and entertainment from other platforms. the ABC is only one of those networks, even the BBC is getting cost cutting.

the ABC is similar to other government department, its a job for mates & have 3 people to do the job of 1. if they were a private company they would simply run them self out of business.
 
Doss said:
I've almost begun to feel sorry for Abbott recently. He has no clue.

Someome like Scott Morrison though- **** off and never return.
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I feel vindicated for the most part. I said Abbott would be a terrible PM as soon as he became head of the LNP but nobody listened. Julia Gillard was so far superior in every way, which just makes me laugh. Now let's watch Shorten walk into office without breaking a sweat.
 
Nobody listened? That he wouldn't be a great PM wasn't exactly an unpopular opinion, and it hasn't been an unpopular opinion for a while either.

Abbott does seem to possess an amazing ability to press that self destruct button, however.
 

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Empirical facts about Australian electoral politics from the world of pol-sci:
- the popularity of a government is intimately linked to (and seemingly more derivative of, than the other way) the popularity of its leader
- the popularity of an opposition primarily reflects the lack of popularity of the government, rather than any independent measure of merit

Essentially, the old saying that governments are voted out rather than oppositions in holds true. Abbott was never popular with the broader public, nor were they ever optimistic about him. However, it wasn't until he became PM that those sentiments began to be reflected in voting intentions, and the Coalition have been floundering ever since.
 
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fodzilla said:
Empirical facts about Australian electoral politics from the world of pol-sci:
- the popularity of a government is intimately linked to (and seemingly more derivative of, than the other way) the popularity of its leader
- the popularity of an opposition primarily reflects the lack of popularity of the government, rather than any independent measure of merit

Essentially, the old saying that governments are voted out rather than oppositions in holds true. Abbott was never popular with the broader public, nor were they ever optimistic about him. However, it wasn't until he became PM that those sentiments began to be reflected in voting intentions, and the Coalition have been floundering ever since.
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Hindsight is a wonderful thing but the Coalition made a grievous error by not replacing him about 12 months out from the election. The damage was done, they were always going to win the election. This government will be a one term government because Tony Abbott was one of the most unpopular opposition leaders to be elected of all time. They seemingly can't replace him now without doing even more damage considering all the s**t the coalition rabbited on about replacing a leader 'chosen' by Australia (even though anyone with half a brain knows that's not how Australian politics works).
 
I wouldn't be surprised if we see a succession of one term governments given both major parties are hopeless.
 
scezza said:
They seemingly can't replace him now without doing even more damage considering all the s**t the coalition rabbited on about replacing a leader 'chosen' by Australia (even though anyone with half a brain knows that's not how Australian politics works).
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It may not be how the electoral system works, but it is how 'politics' works. A leadership change could succeed if a competent replacement with party support existed, however Abbott is merely representative of a deeper malaise.
 
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It's very much how politics here now works in practice. We've moved ever closer to an American style, Presidential system, maybe not in codified practice but elections these days are every bit as much, if not more, about the leaders than the policies.
 
bombersfan4000 said:
the ABC is similar to other government department, its a job for mates & have 3 people to do the job of 1. if they were a private company they would simply run them self out of business.
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Quite the opposite is true in fact. They operate on a much smaller budget than the commercial networks in Australia and pay their staff a lot less. Yet they also manage to deliver a number of unprofitable but essential services such as rural broadcasting that the commercial networks would never touch.
 
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