Current WAR CRIMES Israel - Hamas Conflict

[faible]

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Republican senators threatening the ICC

 

[faible]

Why am I not surprised.

 

[leon123]

so cheap in reality

 

[jason_recliner]

 

[jason_recliner]

Finally!!!

U.S. pauses some weapons to Israel as battles rage around Rafah​

A senior U.S. official said President Joe Biden's administration paused a shipment of weapons to Israel last week in an apparent response to the expected Rafah offensive. The White House and Pentagon declined to comment.

The official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Washington had carefully reviewed the delivery of weapons that might be used in Rafah, and as a result paused a shipment consisting of 1,800 2,000-lb bombs and 1,700 500-lb bombs.


https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...9fb53c9fef75686a2ea9e66c4be822768a09512e0c82f

 

[theouthouse]

Republican senators threatening the ICC

The use of the term 'justified response' reminds me of the phrase Justice is in the eye of the beholder.

This situation needs serious intervention.

 

[faible]

paused a shipment consisting of 1,800 2,000-lb bombs and 1,700 500-lb bombs.

3,500 bombs. I thought they were only supplying Iron Dome.

 

[jason_recliner]

3,500 bombs. I thought they were only supplying Iron Dome.

Only ID comes free of charge. Israel has to buy the other weapons, and there's absolutely no correlation between getting ID for free and then having more cash remaining to buy other weapons! Do not even dare to suggest it!!!

BTW I calculated the tonnage of high explosive in those 3,500 bombs a few pages back and it's a significant proportion of the TNT-equivalent dropped on Hiroshima

 

[Zidane98]

Finally!!!

U.S. pauses some weapons to Israel as battles rage around Rafah​

A senior U.S. official said President Joe Biden's administration paused a shipment of weapons to Israel last week in an apparent response to the expected Rafah offensive. The White House and Pentagon declined to comment.

The official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Washington had carefully reviewed the delivery of weapons that might be used in Rafah, and as a result paused a shipment consisting of 1,800 2,000-lb bombs and 1,700 500-lb bombs.


https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...9fb53c9fef75686a2ea9e66c4be822768a09512e0c82f

This is a good thing.


If only Iran would do the same on the other side.

 

[Zidane98]

For a balanced understanding of how the ICC system works one should read this article:

Seven questions (and answers) if the ICC issues arrest warrants for Israeli officials

Israel’s government has voiced its concern in recent days that the International Criminal Court will soon issue arrest warrants for Israeli officials in connection with the war in Gaza.

www.atlanticcouncil.org

Pretty much suggests because there's an active war involved the ICC won't get involved. And if they were they would also have to issue arrest warrants against PA authority officials with Gaza being part of Palestine and Palestine being a signatory of the ICC.


For comparison Putin didn't get any arrest warrants even for the unprecedented massacre that occurred in Maruipol (up to 100,000 civilians in Maruipol estimated to have been killed by Russian invading forces).


His arrest warrant was issued because of Russia's transferring of nearly 400,000 Ukranian children from Ukranian territory against their will and without permission to Russian filtration camps and eventually resettlement within Russia. The reason he got his arrest warrant was this action cannot possibly be construed as an act of war.


I wouldn't be holding your breath for arrest warrants against Hamas or Israeli officials until the current war is over.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

For a balanced understanding of how the ICC system works one should read this article:

Seven questions (and answers) if the ICC issues arrest warrants for Israeli officials

Israel’s government has voiced its concern in recent days that the International Criminal Court will soon issue arrest warrants for Israeli officials in connection with the war in Gaza.

www.atlanticcouncil.org

Pretty much suggests because there's an active war involved the ICC won't get involved. And if they were they would also have to issue arrest warrants against PA authority officials with Gaza being part of Palestine and Palestine being a signatory of the ICC.


For comparison Putin didn't get any arrest warrants even for the unprecedented massacre that occurred in Maruipol (up to 100,000 civilians in Maruipol estimated to have been killed by Russian invading forces).


His arrest warrant was issued because of Russia's transferring of nearly 400,000 Ukranian children from Ukranian territory against their will and without permission to Russian filtration camps and eventually resettlement within Russia. The reason he got his arrest warrant was this action cannot possibly be construed as an act of war.


I wouldn't be holding your breath for arrest warrants against Hamas or Israeli officials until the current war is over.

What are your thoughts on US senators threatening the ICC on AIPAC’s behalf?

 

[Zidane98]

What are your thoughts on US senators threatening the ICC on AIPAC’s behalf?

No thoughts, it means nothing. The ICC is very unlikely to intervene when an active war is ongoing.

Meanwhile on the other side of the coin we have South Africa who actually refused to process an ICC arrest warrant for genocide when they are a signatory to it:

The real problem behind South Africa’s refusal to arrest al-Bashir | ISS Africa

The ICC relies on states to do its work, but what sanctions are there when they don’t cooperate?

issafrica.org

Thoughts?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

No thoughts, it means nothing. The ICC is very unlikely to intervene when an active war is ongoing.

Meanwhile on the other side of the coin we have South Africa who actually refused to process an ICC arrest warrant for genocide when they are a signatory to it:

The real problem behind South Africa’s refusal to arrest al-Bashir | ISS Africa

The ICC relies on states to do its work, but what sanctions are there when they don’t cooperate?

issafrica.org

Thoughts?

Thats what we call whataboutism. You do it regularly.

Have South Africa or its allies threatened the ICC, similar to the US senator example above?

 

[faible]

it means nothing.

Actual elected US senators sending actual written threats to the actual Chief Prosecutor of the ICC 'means nothing"?

It's a pretty bad look. If any elected officials did that here I'd hope they'd be kicked out of office.

 

[Lebbo73]

I’m posting this to back away from my comments on here. As someone who believes that Mossad/Israeli Government powerbrokers created Hamas and deliberately opened the door for the Hamas led attacks last year, I cannot support the Israeli attacks on Palestine.
I was wrong to support it and will not make any more comments to this effect.

 

[Kurve]

 

[jason_recliner]

Anyone for gas lighting? Literally the least they could do while trying to be seen to do anything. Full marks would be to stop doing business with that criminal murderous regime and severing all diplomatic ties.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Hamas include all Hamas fighters in their casualty figures. Reliable reports are that over 10,000 Hamas fighters have been killed in the war and that Hamas are down to between 5-8000 fighters left before they all fled to Rafah. They also include the thousands and thousands they have killed during their attacks on Israel. Something like nearly 1000 rockets have failed and impacted in Gaza since Hamas launched its unprovoked war on Jewish civilians. You won't hear about it from Hamas but each of those failed rocket attacks usually kill Gazan civilians. In the 2022 attack (which Hamas declared a truce afterwards to not attack Israel btw) within 2 days Hamas had killed 14 civilians in failed rocket attacks.

2022 Gaza–Israel clashes - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

After launching nearly 15,000 rockets in 7 months with a usual failure rate of 20% I will let you come to your own conclusions how many Gazan civilians Hamas has killed.



The one at the Ah-Ahli hospital killed hundreds of Gazans and that is simply added to the tally of total deaths. It must also be pointed out that initially the Gazan health ministry put out a report that nearly 1000 civilians had been murdered and that the hospital had been levelled. This of course quickly changed when it was discovered not to be the case and that they were actually responsible for the deaths in the courtyard of the hospital. There's also Gazan civilians who are executed for attempting to help Hamas be captured. Nobody seems to care about those, seems easier to just attribute them all to Israel.


Anyone who repeats the Hamas mantra that all deaths in the war are civilians being murdered by Israel are knowingly repeating blatantly false Hamas propaganda.

Doesn't mean Israel aren't committing war crimes. They are .
Not sure about your last point, you have zero evidence for that so don't post it as fact.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

The only far right nutter defending murderers in this forum is yourself.

That doesn't make any sense. Netanyahu is a far right nutter, everyone knows that and agrees with that. He allows crazy settlers to kill and take land and he happily kills children and his own hostages. That's what a far right nutter does.

 

[faible]

That doesn't make any sense. Netanyahu is a far right nutter, everyone knows that and agrees with that. He allows crazy settlers to kill and take land and he happily kills children and his own hostages. That's what a far right nutter does.

Credit to lebbo, he was willing to pull back and change his mind on where he stood.

Seems others have gone so hard they're unwilling to do so.

 

[Jazny]

Hamas accepts ceasefire proposal in Gaza war, Israel says deal 'far from' its demands

Hamas says it has accepted a ceasefire proposal from Egypt and Qatar, but Israel says the deal the group has agreed to is "far from" its "necessary requirements".

www.abc.net.au

Hamas accepts ceasefire.

Israel launches air strikes on Rafah.

Do you fall for every bit of propaganda Hamas does? Hamas didn't accept a ceasefire, they made a ridiculous counter-proprosal to end the war and release hundreds of Hamas terrorists from Israeli prisons essentially in exchange for 33 hostages. That's not how any of this works.

Hamas could end this now by releasing all hostages and laying down their arms and turning Gaza over to people who can actually run the place without constantly attacking Israel and bringing misery to their own people.

 

[faible]

Do you fall for every bit of propaganda Hamas does? Hamas didn't accept a ceasefire, they made a ridiculous counter-proprosal to end the war and release hundreds of Hamas terrorists from Israeli prisons essentially in exchange for 33 hostages. That's not how any of this works.

Hamas could end this now by releasing all hostages and laying down their arms and turning Gaza over to people who can actually run the place without constantly attacking Israel and bringing misery to their own people.

Funny how when Israel doesn't accept a ceasefire agreement it's Hamas fault.

When Hamas doesn't accept a ceasefire agreement it's Hamas fault.

When Israel bombs Gaza it's Hamas fault.

When Israel kills thousands of children it's Hamas fault.

Does Israel bear any responsibility in this? You know, for the actual decades of military occupation of Palestinian territories type thing? For the commission of multiple war crimes?

Hamas is a terrorist organisation, what are Israel if they've done (and continue to do) worse.

 

[Jazny]

Funny how when Israel doesn't accept a ceasefire agreement it's Hamas fault.

Why on earth would Israel accept that ridiculous deal? Why did Hamas reject the proposal that was on the table that the US called "generous"?

Imagine falling for Hamas propaganda. How sad, honestly, you aren't even trying at this point.

When Hamas doesn't accept a ceasefire agreement it's Hamas fault.

True.

When Israel bombs Gaza it's Hamas fault.

Yes, if Hamas weren't firing rockets, starting wars, and being terrorists, Israel would have ZERO reason to bomb Gaza. Correct again.

When Israel kills thousands of children it's Hamas fault.

Yes most often it is Hamas' fault.

Hamas is a terrorist organisation, what are Israel if they've done (and continue to do) worse.

Israel havent done anything remotely close to being as bad as what Hamas did on Oct 7th. If Israel crossed over to Gaza and just started shooting every civilian on sight, mutilating their bodies, sexually assaulting them, then we could talk.

 

[faible]

Israel havent done anything remotely close to being as bad

Well then. If this is your genuine belief then we're at an impasse.