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Fair play to the cats, they somehow keep on bucking the conventional wisdom of needing to rebuild and stock piling top end talent. They have also managed aging stars expertly, seeming to extract the maximum out of veterans for like Hawkins, Selwood*, Duncan, Tuohy, Blicavs, Dangefield etc. They...

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1. Brisbane 2. Melbourne 3. Collingwood 4. Sydney 5. Carlton 6. GWS 7. Suns 8. Crows 9. Port 10. Tigers 11. Essendon 12. Dogs 13. Saints 14. Geelong 15. Hawks 16. Freo 17. Kangas 18. WCE Good luck picking sides 7-14 LOL

And with that, the season done. See ya next year.

Im factoring in that if we are good enough to beat the dogs at Marvel, than the Saints are a much easier proposition. Plus i feel that the saints have been getting progressively worse.

Yesterday's result doesn't really change the permutations too much as most of us pencilled in the L before the game. The winner of Friday's dogs vs tigers will play finals.

im following the play from Germany and as usual cricinfo, is not being very useful in providing info on when play will start. Can anyone assist?

Yep, wowee what an afternoon of upsets! Now it's blues/giants that look secure where as the dogs/cats look shaky. Now we can definitely get there with 12.5 wins, especially if one of those is the dog's.

OK blues look like their making it. We just need 1 of gws/dogs not making it.

correct me if im wrong, dont they do the fixture according to the 6:6:6 concept? So teams placing 7-12 will get more or less get an equal fixture in terms of difficulty. Meaning making finals and losing week one wouldnt affect it anyway.

100% this. Gibcus was completely overawed in the EF last year. They need to get used to playing when it counts.

where do you get this expected score information?

Interestingly enough, if Melbourne ends up coming 3rd. Teams that finish 6-7 would likely play all finals at G (provided they keep prevailing). And there are a a lot of Vic teams in that bunch (Carlton, Geelong, Richmond, Essendon, Stkilda, Bulldogs). Playing Port or Brissy at their home grounds...

Truly based on my feels, Port isn't ready yet. Im much more confident about Lions, Dees or even Cats taking it up to Collingwood on the biggest stage.

Balta/Broad were outstanding no?

yeah he was outstanding.

what is Rance then, Latinx?

double teamed and double reamed (by the twin baldies on the weekend).

I still think we can make it on 12.5 wins For this scenario not to come true we basically need all 3, near 50:50 games involving Dogs (beating cats at GMBH), Giants (beating dogs in Ballarat) and Blues (beating suns at GC) to go against us. Certainly doable. In summary, several upsets would...

What I worry about is people's (aka the money) unfamiliarity with the quirks of cricket and its regulations on weather. But happy to see the odds going more in our favour.

I like those odds

can someone one more intelligent than me make an educated guess on how much play we will get today?

List profile seem to be one of the best indicators of success. Look at the end of 2016. The list was primed, it just needed a few tweaks to challenge again. If we could play this year again and had another KPF and Lynch doesn't break his foot we would be easily a top 4 side.

The guy doesn't seem to understand the game. Up until 3 quarter time it felt like a 50:50 game, not hawthorn dominating as Kane thinks. We missed some sitters. Also when you look at our list profile, there is still a good chunk of the team just getting into their prime, and only a couple of...

how good was Rioli in the last?! basically broke through several hawks players on more than one occasion to win the footy and set up our attacks.

KMac played a sh*t sandwich, started off well. Then had some absolute gaffs, then finished the game strongly including kicking that crucial goal.

[/MEDIA] The atmosphere/call was unbelievable in the AFL Nation/3AW coverage when Baker goaled. Why does it acoustically always sound better than live TV?

no problem there