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It rated 76000 to say people all over Aust are watching is a massive overstatement

No

That was a long day, and an expensive one

I think on field there's is a great deal of optimism and I'm looking forward to get to games next year

I hear what your saying and while I don't agree I reckon we both have a strong passion for the club and I not trying to pick a fight, I just think we have to get beyond this city centric view and try and expand our very small base. Look what the dogs are doing in Ballarat north in Hobart us in...

Fair enough, I think the best way is to do what most of the other Vic clubs have done state and federal gov partnerships the Afl it self and think big and long term. We already have a partnership with the biggest and fastest growing city in the state and there is a base of infrastructure in...

In some ways I agree and we both want a successful club but I think you miss the point to some extent, after 96 the Dee's were in a better financial position but were as we have gone backwards and not been prepared to look Beyond the ends of our noses the Hawks have created a brand in two state...

I think the point your making may play a part but to say it's the only reason to spend that much time and money and effort is drawing a long bow. But at the end of the day I'm more worried about what the Dee's are not doing not what the Hawks are, I just think we are being left behind again...

That drawing a very long bow, it's a lot of time and money spent to avoid a small amount of tax

Your being a bit simplistic but the point I was Making stands hawthorn have vision our admin seems to be happy to look backwards, for some unknown reason the club feels it can't function if it's not within site of the Mcg or the cbd. We train on a public park on the side of punt rd hawthorn are...

In some ways what you wrote is what I'm talking about, this idea that the club has to be based within sight of the mcg and the cbd just shows a complete lack of vision and I've never understood it. Hawthorn have people with vision and foresight and l still think it's something sadly lacking in...

Defiantly agree there is great reason for optimism in regards to the footy side of the operation, I still worry that the club is passing up a goldern opportunity with the city of Casey by holding onto vague delusions of training bases in docklands and offices in Collins st. Hawthorn are setting...

To say that's drawing a long bow is an understatement, without any inside knowledge I would be happy to suggest that had not one ounce of influence on where either player was selected

Touchy touchy

None of what you just wrote takes away from the pies drafting failures of recent and the fact that they are a middle of the road club. If go out of your way to wind up a set of supporters don't get all sulky when your clubs many recent wrong turns are pointed out

So ordinary then, there's a good reason the pies are where they are I terms of ladder position, have a look at the Dee's last four drafts compared to the pies and let me knows how you think did best

How have the pies drafted in the last few years?

Finding out how they go against men is true for all kids coming out of the tac cup, not many have done it yet. High success rate for inside kids drafted in the top 10, hope he's another one

The cats were stiff, just 56 more picks and you had him. I have a feeling the cats might still go ok this year

More than happy with how thing went

Parish is an obvious, Harry Makay or wiedemen at 7

Crazy to take anybody else

Add parish and one other this year and dees will play final in 17

Good player who does his job to perfection, overrated players don't win three consecutive premierships

That sounds fair enough to me, best team won for the third year in a row

Sweet

It's absolutely as easy as I'm making out, hawthorn win because they have a larger percentage of high end talent than any other club and the best coach of the last 20 years combined with fantastic recruiting and list management that's second to none, everything else is an add on the 1 maybe 2...

Depends how you look at it I suppose, did the Dee's develop Vince or did they recruit a talented play with a proven track record and ask him to take on a role that matched his ability. Attitude and a willingness to learn are great but I'm fairly sure it comes second to talent, Wrights so good...

I still think it all hinges on recruiting, draft well and the development takes care of its self, add a great coach and everything else is just messing around at the edges. I don't think Carlton developed Matthew Watson badly he just isn't up to the standard, same as Fitzpatrick at the dees

No one was making the comparison, what was said was that the Dee's have improved markedly in this area over the last couple of years, but let's be realistic it's all about recruiting development is a buzz word, you can't polish a turd best players best results. See hawthorn as evidence