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    List Mgmt. 2026-27 List Management Discussion

    It's not really. Tassie is going to have an extra $5 million in salary cap in its first two seasons, meaning a Tassie $1m per season offer is equivalent to about 800k from another club, which for a Beau McCreery is about standard freight, maybe a smidge overs. Add to that that in 2029, 2030...
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    Hobart Stadium: $750 million cost

    The stadium is expandable to at least 30k Per Mac Point CEO Anne Beach in December: "So the current capacity is 23,000 seated. And then there's another 1,500 positions that are called structured standing, where you can sort of stand with a group of friends. So that gets us to 24,500 from day...
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    Mac Point Stadium! - "Tas Says Yes!"

    Yep. 7 AFL games with 4 in Laucenston can be spread in such a way that allows for decent sized gaps at particular times You might get 3 Launceston games in a row through June-July for instance, and when factoring in away games thats a 6 week block that Mac Point isn't being used for footy which...
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    Mac Point Stadium! - "Tas Says Yes!"

    It is about $200m. But removing it doesn’t save $200m, as you still need partial roofing structure and all that comes with that. My understanding is you might save $50m-$100m. Yep you’d save some cash and lower the height, but you’d do real damage to the long term operating model which has...
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    Mac Point Stadium! - "Tas Says Yes!"

    The key is that either way, the parliament will vote. The outcome of the POSS doesnt determine the fate of the stadium. It may help guide the decision, but ultimately its the parliament that decides. Personally, I think this is all a bit of a blessing in disguise. The POSS hearings were...
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    Mac Point Stadium! - "Tas Says Yes!"

    What on gods green earth are you talking about? They don’t have an architect? Pardon? This animation was submitted as part of planning commission hearings today, that the planning commission insisted continue despite Mac Point Dec Corp requesting they be postponed due to the election. The...
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    Mac Point Stadium! - "Tas Says Yes!"

    You are assuming that because the currently designed roof costs 200m then by simply removing it you save 200m. Thats not how it works. You still need a roof/covering of some kind, and to add one you’d be transferring a bulk of the material to make it happen. The stadium will cost $945m. If you...
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    Mac Point Stadium! - "Tas Says Yes!"

    Not much of this is correct. No roof definitely doesn’t reduce the cost by 20-30 percent. It’s more like 10-15 percent, because while you’d be getting rid of the dome, you’d just be replacing it with something else to cover the seats and transferring the self supporting structure from the dome...
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    Mac Point Stadium! - "Tas Says Yes!"

    I really don't understand what getting rid of a roof would solve. It makes the stadium less tall, and saves a bit of money (but nowhere near as much as people might think). Conversely, no roof worsens the business case for the stadium. Even Gruen modelled a no roof scenario and found that...
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    Mac Point Stadium! - "Tas Says Yes!"

    Gee, I'd like to know the thinking there! The Libs top out at 13-14 seats I think. I cant see them retaining 14, and then adding 2. Having said that, I cant see Labor winning any more than 14 either. Fun times!
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    Mac Point Stadium! - "Tas Says Yes!"

    Kinda. 2.0 would be a PPP. From what I hear though, the financials are not even close to good for the state. I’m talking a more than billion dollar outlay, but with the consortium reaping the lion’s share of the benefits which undermines the football club. It would also have majority control...
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    Mac Point Stadium! - "Tas Says Yes!"

    Do you think a stadium survives, firstly, an election, and secondly, a new parliament? It's really hard to see.
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    Hobart stadium business case

    "yes who from the North would drive 2hr to Hobart when you can fly to Melbourne in 1hr? Hence the stadium placement issue" Always chuckle at takes like this. From your front driveway in Invermay to the middle of Murray Street in Hobart is 2.5 hours in a car, and 2.5 hours back. Maybe $60-70...
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    Hobart stadium business case

    Because the Devils will only play 7-8 games there, and the government is paying the brunt of the stadium bill. So to get bang for buck, the stadium has to be able to be used for other purposes. The roof is mainly to ensure the stadium is a world class concert and entertainment venue as well as...
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    Hobart stadium business case

    One day people will realise the stadium is an economic necessity for the club to compete, and not some sadistic punishment by the AFL designed to hurt the state.
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    Hobart stadium business case

    Bellerives capacity is not 20,000. Boon stand capacity is about 4500, and the Ponting stand is about the same. There’s a further 1000 or so seats scattered around the ground. The capacity of the hill is about 5000. The record crowd is approx 19k, but capacity has been reduced since then for...
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    Hobart stadium business case

    I am Tasmanian, and live in Tasmania. Anything from the 80s remains popular here!
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    Hobart stadium business case

    The Mercury article is paywalls but the ABC article is accessible via that link. Phil Collins, Queen, Fred Again' likely, promoter says Geoff Jones, the chief executive officer of music management and promotion group TEG, said the stadium "puts Hobart in the game". "At the moment, when you...
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    Hobart stadium business case

    Here’s the source for $190m https://amp.abc.net.au/article/104361750 I said it was closer to $190m than $270m which is true at $207m Of course there is maintenance costs, but again, it’s a worse idea to build without a roof than with one, which even the comically harsh Dr Gruen agrees with...
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    Hobart stadium business case

    Good lord. Here’s the Mercury https://www.themercury.com.au/news/tasmania/you-dont-need-taylor-swift-says-leading-stadium-player-geoff-jones-who-likes-what-he-sees-under-macquarie-point-roof/news-story/cf76bdae7e35dc85860d22b3cfda39e0 And the ABC reporting the same thing...
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    Hobart stadium business case

    $207m is closer to $190m than it is to $270m is it not? The $62m in maintenance is over 30 years lol so $2m a year. Remember, Dr Gruens analysis found the stadiums BCR would actually be worse without the roof. And don’t underestimate Tasmanians love for 1980s **** rock 😂
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    Hobart stadium business case

    You sounded half intelligent until you suggested upgrading Bellerive. Firstly, Hobart stadium is 1/3 the size of Perths stadium and the state government contribution is capped at $375m. There’s federal funding of $240m and market sounding recently completed for a private partner. Nobody is...
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    Hobart stadium business case

    I spose the boss of TEG, one of the biggest promoters on the planet was just lying when he said he’d happily bring Iron Maiden to Hobart and that the venue would absolutely attract acts...
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    Hobart stadium business case

    $15m + $10m (for the Tas HPC) is as much money as the AFL has ever put into any stadium, including GWS and Gold Coast when they entered the competition. They then agreed to fund the team, game development and grassroots football in Tasmania to the tune of $360m. In all its a $385m spend from...
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    Mac Point Stadium! - "Tas Says Yes!"

    Ninja and Utas were always going to be used in 2028, with Macquarie Point to come online for the start of 2029. If not, then they’ll use Ninja and UTas for that season too with the Tasmanian Government to pay the Devils $4.5m extra, to make up for lost revenue from not playing at MP. They can...
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    Independent report into Hobart's proposed new stadium has found the costs of the project have been significantly underestimated

    I’m confused as to what you’re actually seeking here. You say you have Devils memberships, but seem to be against the deal that was signed that allows the Devils to exist in the first place? You are aggrieved that the north gets “shafted” and “only” gets $150m? Again, what do you actually want...
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    Independent report into Hobart's proposed new stadium has found the costs of the project have been significantly underestimated

    I live in Tasmania. Have done all my life. It’s why I’m particularly interested in this topic, and why I post about it. Judging from your post, it seems you are politically influenced. Up north you get shafted? How? $130m into UTAS Stadium which will host the bulk of Devils games in the first...
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    Independent report into Hobart's proposed new stadium has found the costs of the project have been significantly underestimated

    Far too much being made out of the Gruen report, which most people haven’t read past the executive summary. Gruen accounts for every single stadium related cent as part of the project, including 10 seasons worth of Devils funding, broader Hobart works, non-tangibles like opportunity cost and...
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    Hobart Stadium: $750 million cost

    Depends what you consider a stadium cost. The construction and capital cost, including precinct works is still hovering around that 775-800m mark according to both the proponents and Gruens quantity surveyor who also tacked on a very large amount for contingency. Gruen in his report has...
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    Mac Point Stadium! - "Tas Says Yes!"

    Yes, aware of this! I was after a source for the claim that Nick Gruen worked for Paul Lennon

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