Though I agree that Hawthorn's not relevant to this discussion, I don't remember Hawthorn ever being really abject, really hopeless. They had a couple of bad years in the mid-2000s but it's nothing compared to how awful Carlton has been.
All the Vic clubs had a hard time of it, what are you on about? Interstate sides were at an advantage but that is pretty reasonable compensation for them all having to travel every second week for years and play the GF at the G
No it's ******* not, because your chances are still effectively 1/18. Your 17 opponents have to face roughly the same s**t you do. Now, if every other team got to live without Coronavirus and you had to suffer with it, THEN the flag would be worth two.
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